Those who decide not to get a CI - Page 15

deafgal001 · 11-29-2010, 10:14 PM

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Wow.....and your aids still help? Seriously asking here.

I have the same range of dB loss as hers...and my digital hearing aid does wonders. It SHOCKED me when I first tried it (I was skeptical) and now I'm like, WOW. I do need to go and have it tweaked, though. Some of the digital hearing aids out there are designed for people with profound hearing loss. Amazing, isn't it?

Yep. I've been wearing HA since before preschool

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 10:19 PM

I did, too, but they weren't really effective other than helped me with my balance. If I took them off, I would stagger like a drunk person and get vertigo symptoms. One day I went to the audiologist and he suggested these state-of-the-art aids. I was very skeptical and convinced he saw only dollar signs. He let me do a trial period agreement which means I could wear them for a period of two weeks and I didn't have to purchase them unless I was convinced they were for me ...I put them on and immediately heard results...I literally was flabbergasted. I bought it on the spot.

**TXgolfer** · 11-29-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

I have the same range of dB loss as hers...and my digital hearing aid does wonders. It SHOCKED me when I first tried it (I was skeptical) and now I'm like, WOW. I do need to go and have it tweaked, though. Some of the digital hearing aids out there are designed for people with profound hearing loss. Amazing, isn't it?

Ok I have a Phonak nadia.....which I was told would be the best for me.

My numbers are (I only have one ear) 95 @ 250,500,1k and 2k. 90 at 3k and 4k. 85 @ 6k and 70 @8k.

Yet I really don't see much benefit from my aid. Granted everything is much louder but I can't understand the TV or phone or radio aty all. I can have some convos though but if there are more than two people around forget it.

Strange.

deafgal001 · 11-29-2010, 10:25 PM

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We take whatever we got and make the best of it.lipreading with hearing aid helps

**GrendelQ** · 11-29-2010, 10:26 PM

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PMs are not allowed before 50 posts. We all know Botts has well more than that, and has been around more than long enough to know how PMs work.

I'm going to ignore dictionary definitions of deafness when we all can define that ourselves. For me, I know that FJ and Grendel and I don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but we even agree that their children and people like Botts, myself, and many others, call ourselves deaf, dictionary definition or not.

Agreed!

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 10:27 PM

Oticon Sumo DM is what I have. Maybe you can see if you can get a free loaner with different digital hearing aids so you can experience them to see if any of them works better...? Sometimes the hearing aid is what you need, but the audiologist did not program it correctly...a simple adjustment can make a world of difference.

**GrendelQ** · 11-29-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I call deaf if you can not discriminate speech. HOH if you have loss but can.

Unaided, yes. That's how I look at it too. And I don't see how that's in any way in conflict with the definitions provided.

**TXgolfer** · 11-29-2010, 10:29 PM

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We take whatever we got and make the best of it.lipreading with hearing aid helps

Yeah I think I lip read pretty decent and that helps alot.

**TXgolfer** · 11-29-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Oticon Sumo DM is what I have. Maybe you can see if you can get a free loaner with different digital hearing aids so you can experience them to see if any of them works better...? Sometimes the hearing aid is what you need, but the audiologist did not program it correctly...a simple adjustment can make a world of difference.

I am going to look into that.

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cjg

So then the child that wears a pair of CI's but can understand spoken words at a 'normal' conversational level while her back is turned should not be considered deaf ?

Or does the fact that there is a CI involved/required mean 'deaf' ??

Is 'deaf' performance based ? or person based.

My point was that while wearing the CI's the term deaf is inaccurate because she can understand and process the sens of hearing properly for that situation.

That is where this whole this started from.

Again this is from a semantically view not a cultural one.

She had to be deaf to qualify for a CI in the first place. They don't go around implanting hearing kids!

**TXgolfer** · 11-29-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

She had to be deaf to qualify for a CI in the first place. They don't go around implanting hearing kids!

Why not? J/K

cjg · 11-29-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I meant unaided. So if she needs CI to hear, she is deaf.

Why does that make a difference ?

The performance is the same.

Technically there is no actual difference. There is no "lack" either partial or complete in that situation. How does she fit the dictionary definition of deaf in that situation. Again , I am not asking about culturally.

Remember I am only trying to understand.

deafgal001 · 11-29-2010, 10:42 PM

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If you ask me I think children with CI have some struggle.

cjg · 11-29-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Why not? J/K

While you jest .. I am sure that if they ever get a CI that is even close to 'perfected' someone with 'normal' hearing will get one as an elective.

They already sell hearing aids as 'hunting' tools

Walker's Game Ear

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cjg

Why does that make a difference ?

The performance is the same.

Technically there is no actual difference. There is no "lack" either partial or complete in that situation. How does she fit the dictionary definition of deaf in that situation. Again , I am not asking about culturally.

Remember I am only trying to understand.

Because without her CI she has a huge "lack of hearing". The CI provides access to sound, not her ears. They are purely decorative at this point

cjg · 11-29-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

She had to be deaf to qualify for a CI in the first place. They don't go around implanting hearing kids!

No one is arguing that .. The question is while she is wearing the CI , does she fit the 'general' definition of deaf if ( for lack of a better term ) her performance is high enough with the CI that the 'general public' could not tell. The example is being able to follow /understand spoken speech at a 'normal' level while her back is turned. If 'deaf' the proper technical ( not cultural ) term.

cjg · 11-29-2010, 10:52 PM

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Because without her CI she has a huge "lack of hearing". The CI provides access to sound, not her ears. They are purely decorative at this point

But with the CI there is no lack.

so technically , the term deaf can not apply in that specific situation.

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 10:53 PM

You mean...while she is wearing her CI, she is essentially hearing. When she takes it off, she is deaf. ?

rick48 · 11-29-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

She had to be deaf to qualify for a CI in the first place. They don't go around implanting hearing kids!

They don't? I thought it was all part of the great conspiracy between school administrators, the medical professionals and the ci manufacturers so they could all make more money.
Rick

deafgal001 · 11-29-2010, 10:55 PM

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You mean...while she is wearing her CI, she is essentially hearing. When she takes it off, she is deaf. ?

That's pretty much what he is asking.

They are not hearing kids. CI are not miracle cure for deafness even when it is on.

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cjg

No one is arguing that .. The question is while she is wearing the CI , does she fit the 'general' definition of deaf if ( for lack of a better term ) her performance is high enough with the CI that the 'general public' could not tell. The example is being able to follow /understand spoken speech at a 'normal' level while her back is turned. If 'deaf' the proper technical ( not cultural ) term.

To me there is only deaf and hearing. She is not hearing, so that only leaves deaf. There are plenty of situations in which her hearing is not "optimal", and it is never like mine.

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 10:57 PM

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They don't? I thought it was all part of the great conspiracy between school administrators, the medical professionals and the ci manufacturers so they could all make more money.
Rick

HUGE share of the market just opened up $$$$$$$$!

cjg · 11-29-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

You mean...while she is wearing her CI, she is essentially hearing. When she takes it off, she is deaf. ?

Well .. I can not say what she hears , I am not her .. But if she can hear and understand spoken words at a 'normal' level with her back turned. How is that functionally any different from someone that does not use a ci ?

Technically the term deaf should not apply.

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 10:59 PM

With the CI on, she may function like a hearing person in many ways, but she will never be hearing...because it is not the same. Kind of like a prosthetic limb. The prosthetic arm functions like an arm, but it's still not the same as an actual arm. Sometimes the prosthetic arm works even better!

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cjg

Well .. I can not say what she hears , I am not her .. But if she can hear and understand spoken words at a 'normal' level with her back turned. How is that functionally any different from someone that does not use a ci ?

Technically the term deaf should not apply.

Because she can't hear whispers from far away or in a crowded resturant, or anything at all outside the processors specific range. That isn't being "hearing".

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 11:01 PM

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They don't? I thought it was all part of the great conspiracy between school administrators, the medical professionals and the ci manufacturers so they could all make more money.
Rick

Ya'll don't forget the aural-oral supporters, too! lol *buzzer*

deafgal001 · 11-29-2010, 11:01 PM

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They don't? I thought it was all part of the great conspiracy between school administrators, the medical professionals and the ci manufacturers so they could all make more money.
Rick

HUGE share of the market just opened up $$$$$$$$!

medical view of deaf is good for business. In fact I am sure they are making more than oil.

faire_jour · 11-29-2010, 11:02 PM

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medical view of deaf is good for business. In fact I am sure they are making more than oil.

You are kidding, right?!

deafbajagal · 11-29-2010, 11:02 PM

Dang. I better join the conspiracy. I need some Christmas shopping money.

Tousi · 11-29-2010, 11:03 PM

For TXGolfer and others. Much of what's being said here re: hearing aids and the CI is all well and good but without a really good and caring audi, well, you can just forget it.

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11-29-2010, 10:19 PM	#422 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	I did, too, but they weren't really effective other than helped me with my balance. If I took them off, I would stagger like a drunk person and get vertigo symptoms. One day I went to the audiologist and he suggested these state-of-the-art aids. I was very skeptical and convinced he saw only dollar signs. He let me do a trial period agreement which means I could wear them for a period of two weeks and I didn't have to purchase them unless I was convinced they were for me ...I put them on and immediately heard results...I literally was flabbergasted. I bought it on the spot.

11-29-2010, 10:25 PM	#424 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	Wirelessly posted We take whatever we got and make the best of it.lipreading with hearing aid helps

11-29-2010, 10:27 PM	#426 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	Oticon Sumo DM is what I have. Maybe you can see if you can get a free loaner with different digital hearing aids so you can experience them to see if any of them works better...? Sometimes the hearing aid is what you need, but the audiologist did not program it correctly...a simple adjustment can make a world of difference.

11-29-2010, 10:42 PM	#433 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	Wirelessly posted If you ask me I think children with CI have some struggle.

11-29-2010, 10:53 PM	#438 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	You mean...while she is wearing her CI, she is essentially hearing. When she takes it off, she is deaf. ?

11-29-2010, 10:59 PM	#444 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	With the CI on, she may function like a hearing person in many ways, but she will never be hearing...because it is not the same. Kind of like a prosthetic limb. The prosthetic arm functions like an arm, but it's still not the same as an actual arm. Sometimes the prosthetic arm works even better!

11-29-2010, 11:02 PM	#449 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	Dang. I better join the conspiracy. I need some Christmas shopping money.

11-29-2010, 11:03 PM	#450 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,732	For TXGolfer and others. Much of what's being said here re: hearing aids and the CI is all well and good but without a really good and caring audi, well, you can just forget it.