Which Surgery CI belongs to?

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 04:45 AM

* * * Sigh * * *

I read CI thread’s post & noticed that you mixed CI thread with heart hole, diseases, teeth, eyes, Siamese twin, etc. etc.

I’m here to make a poll to avoid the confusing between heart and etc with CI condition…
Heart surgery, cancer, chemotherapy, incurable illness etc are belonging to save humans
Risk life.

I’m mother & would of do everything to save my children’s life with the help from therapy, surgeries straight way BUT CI?

My opinion:
CI is belonging to change or improve their bodies different like eyes, teeth, nose, mouth, ears, etc. with the help from “cosmetics” surgeries.

I would like to ask you which surgery CI belongs to?

That’s why I believe its Child Choice… I let my children to mix with CI, hearing & deaf cultures. I would support my children’s choice because it’s their bodies that wear rest of their life.

CI is not belonging to risk life like heart hole, diseases, cancer etc but change their bodies to improve. (like to make them hear)…

I respect your decision for implant your child an earlier or let your child to have the choice.

Come to discuss with us…

Well I vote cosmetic

Malfoyish · 04-15-2004, 07:04 AM

Out of those two choices, I'd vote for cosmetic as well...

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 07:24 AM

Forget to add one more...

Can you explain us why you vote for "Is CI belonging to saving human's Risk life"...

I'm interesting to know

Attention:

Please don't insult each other but discussion with agree or disagree respectful...
thank you

***VamPyroX*** · 04-15-2004, 08:18 AM

Anybody can live without CIs. Being deaf isn't going to kill you. It's merely "something" to help you to hear better. What makes hearing aids different from CIs is that hearing aids are just "hearing aids" that you can put on and off, while CIs is like "implantable hearing aid" where you have something permanently put in your head.

**Cheri** · 04-15-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Anybody can live without CIs. Being deaf isn't going to kill you. It's merely "something" to help you to hear better. What makes hearing aids different from CIs is that hearing aids are just "hearing aids" that you can put on and off, while CIs is like "implantable hearing aid" where you have something permanently put in your head.

VamPyroX, I was thinking the same!

I vote for Cosmetic...Ci is when people wants it... I wish people would be open mind with our Choice of Choose...

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 10:01 AM

Sweet_KJ · 04-15-2004, 02:18 PM

It is a comestic surgery. People don't need it to save their lives.

DeafSCUBA98 · 04-15-2004, 02:36 PM

i voted comestic.. its just to improve your hearing.

*wonder self* 2 people voted to save their life from risk.. wonders why.. mind tell ur option on this?

Frisky Feline · 04-15-2004, 02:39 PM

You have a good question.

I voted for Cosmetics. CI does improve human's bodies to feel confident and can socialize with other people. It's the same thing as their apperance has improved and feel confident to socialize with other people.

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

i voted comestic.. its just to improve your hearing.

*wonder self* 2 people voted to save their life from risk.. wonders why.. mind tell ur option on this?

I also wondering, too... that´s why I ask them to share us why they think CI save their life from risk...

Hi everyone,
We won´t bite you... Please explain us why you think CI is save your risk life...
I already told everyone to not insult each other...

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

You have a good question.

I voted for Cosmetics. CI does improve human's bodies to feel confident and can socialize with other people. It's the same thing as their apperance has improved and feel confident to socialize with other people.

Yes, it´s almost correct...

Frisky Feline · 04-15-2004, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, it´s almost correct...

Sure... but dont you mind me asking you.. why "almost" meaning there is more than that?

***I am curious about someone voted for saving someones life from getting risk and tell why vote this.*** PEACE

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-15-2004, 03:00 PM

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Sure... but dont you mind me asking you.. why "almost" meaning there is more than that?

I mean what you stated is almost correct = 99% prefect...

I´m agree that CI is better modern to improve their speech development.
CI would be great when you are willing to learn how to speak & hear... because it´s work hard to train how to speak & hear...
I respect children to adult´s choice to have CI because it´s them who want to wear.
I am also agree that nothing wrong with hearing aid, too. My friend wore hearing aid since she was 6 months old & speak like HOH.

I´ll be happy to answer if you feel unsure...

Quote:

***I am curious about someone voted for saving someones life from getting risk and tell why vote this.*** PEACE

me, too...

deafdyke · 04-15-2004, 03:10 PM

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while CIs is like "implantable hearing aid" where you have something permanently put in your head.

True, but Vampy what is your opinon on ABI (auditory brainstem implant) or those Soundbridge implantable thingys or the RetroX hearing aid or even, BAHA (a hearing aid for people with no ear canals, which involves implanting a titianum abutment)

Frisky Feline · 04-15-2004, 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=Liebling:-)))][QUOTE]

I mean what you stated is almost correct = 99% prefect...

GOTCHA!

Megalofyia · 04-15-2004, 09:23 PM

There aren't enough options to vote. Anyways, my vote would go for that certainly CI is NOT cosmetic, especially since it doesn't enhance a person's appearance at all. Certainly it's not life saving either. However, there are MANY MANY (read - MOST) surgeries that fall in between these two extremes. Getting a prosthesis for someone missing a leg is certainly not life saving and while it does offer some cosmetic benefits it is also more than that. This is where I categorize CI. While CI is obviously not for everyone, especially someone who is going to be belligerent towards it and not going to use it properly there are people who, themselves, consider it a surgery that's not an option not to try. In the thread about good things with CI I posted a story about a woman I know who says she doesn't know how she lived without it. She did go into the whole decision making thing with an open mind and with out the mental stigma that she is a deaf person and thus MUST conform to a certain culture. She did what she thought would be best for her and her family. Again, don't interpret this to mean that I am saying everyone should get it I am simply stating another view to what category CI is in.

Opal · 04-16-2004, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalofyia

There aren't enough options to vote. Anyways, my vote would go for that certainly CI is NOT cosmetic, especially since it doesn't enhance a person's appearance at all. Certainly it's not life saving either. However, there are MANY MANY (read - MOST) surgeries that fall in between these two extremes. Getting a prosthesis for someone missing a leg is certainly not life saving and while it does offer some cosmetic benefits it is also more than that. This is where I categorize CI. While CI is obviously not for everyone, especially someone who is going to be belligerent towards it and not going to use it properly there are people who, themselves, consider it a surgery that's not an option not to try. In the thread about good things with CI I posted a story about a woman I know who says she doesn't know how she lived without it. She did go into the whole decision making thing with an open mind and with out the mental stigma that she is a deaf person and thus MUST conform to a certain culture. She did what she thought would be best for her and her family. Again, don't interpret this to mean that I am saying everyone should get it I am simply stating another view to what category CI is in.

I agree totally, not enough options to vote, both options are wrong.

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-16-2004, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalofyia

There aren't enough options to vote. Anyways, my vote would go for that certainly CI is NOT cosmetic, especially since it doesn't enhance a person's appearance at all. Certainly it's not life saving either. However, there are MANY MANY (read - MOST) surgeries that fall in between these two extremes. Getting a prosthesis for someone missing a leg is certainly not life saving and while it does offer some cosmetic benefits it is also more than that. This is where I categorize CI. While CI is obviously not for everyone, especially someone who is going to be belligerent towards it and not going to use it properly there are people who, themselves, consider it a surgery that's not an option not to try. In the thread about good things with CI I posted a story about a woman I know who says she doesn't know how she lived without it. She did go into the whole decision making thing with an open mind and with out the mental stigma that she is a deaf person and thus MUST conform to a certain culture. She did what she thought would be best for her and her family. Again, don't interpret this to mean that I am saying everyone should get it I am simply stating another view to what category CI is in.

The prostheses arm & leg are not belonging to Surgery but the same example with hearing aid…
Well, we are here to talking about Surgeries.

What do you mean "aren´t enough options to vote" ?
Can you correct which CI belongs to?

As far as I only know there’re only 2 Surgeries is Kind of Saving Risk Life Surgeries like heart; brain, liver, cancer etc etc to cure incurable illness/saving life etc & Cosmetics Surgeries like is Improve hear/speech development, correct nose, teeth, mouth, feet, etc.

That’s what I mean is CI belonging to Kind of cosmetics surgeries…

Can you correct exactly which CI belongs? I only know that there’re only 2 Surgeries but 3rd ?
Thank you for your respond on your opinion...

Megalofyia · 04-16-2004, 07:06 PM

Lasix surgery for vision isn't cosmetic and it isn't life saving, breast reduction for some women isn't cosmetic and again not life saving, removing of a useless limb for the purposes of making it available for a prosthesis isn't life saving or cosmetic (I have a friend at the moment who is considering this option), correcting hemorrhoids, gastric bypass, some types of surgeries to correct some epilepsies like vagal nerve stimulator, tonsillectomy, cleft pallet, anyways the list goes on.

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-16-2004, 11:56 PM

Thank you for explain because I didn´t know about the word about Lasix... Thank you...

I understand what you mean now... but CI is still not belong to Lasix but comestic because they think the CI is help to improve babies/children hear & speech development....

The breast reducation, foot, hand (malfornation), siamese twin etc are the big different are of course belong Lasix... YES.. something like removing & correct... but CI is not belong who they correct but improve their speech/hear development, that´s all...

Heathly Insurance refused to cover the cost of comestic surgery but they jump & pay straight way when CI comes... because they think CI is the best to improve the baby/toddler hear/speech development. The people are furious because some of them have the problem to improve their bodies but they have to pay their own pocket... What they want to improve is the worst than CI... like improve their breast (not silkon, I mean) because they have no breast or wrong breast... or horrible scar mark on your face etc... They have to pay for this... What a unfair... We all said that CI is belong Kind of comestic...

CI is not belong to correct to make you hear & speak but improve their hear/speech development...

mylittlemen · 04-17-2004, 07:39 AM

:bsflag:

The ignorance and lack of knowledge about Cochlear implants by some of you is scary. I can't imagine having such strong views against something that I know so very little about. Maybe some of you should avoid passing such judgements until you have researched it completley.

Megalofyia · 04-17-2004, 07:39 AM

cleft pallet surgery is done on babies to improve speach their future speach.

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-17-2004, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittlemen

:bsflag:

The ignorance and lack of knowledge about Cochlear implants by some of you is scary. I can't imagine having such strong views against something that I know so very little about. Maybe some of you should avoid passing such judgements until you have researched it completley.

Please read carefully what I say in first place... NOBODY judge you...

I only put the poll to make everyone see the sense that CI is not belong to Risk life... because everyone mixed heart diease, cancer, etc with CI situation...
Please remember that we are not against CI... We respect everyone´s choice.
I only ask you for your opinion which Surgery CI is belong to...
I will ask Monitor to add one more poll "Lasix" Surgery to 2 poll because I didn´t know about Lasix...
Thank you...

**Cheri** · 04-17-2004, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittlemen

:bsflag:

The ignorance and lack of knowledge about Cochlear implants by some of you is scary. I can't imagine having such strong views against something that I know so very little about. Maybe some of you should avoid passing such judgements until you have researched it completley.

Can't have everything go ur way Miss...People here have different Opinions and Nobody is wrong... Remember keep an open mind on both sides of View...Thank you...

DeafSCUBA98 · 04-17-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalofyia

Lasix surgery for vision isn't cosmetic and it isn't life saving, .

I do think that Lasix surgery is cosmetic.. because it improves your vision.. and then you no longer need ur glasses.

mylittlemen · 04-17-2004, 01:12 PM

Just as I am giving my opinion!

**Banjo** · 04-17-2004, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mylittlemen

I can't imagine having such strong views against something that I know so very little about. Maybe some of you should avoid passing such judgements until you have researched it completley.

Tell me about it, an opinion is an opinion. But the reality is, some opinions does outweigh the other opinions when it come to knowledge.

mylittlemen · 04-17-2004, 01:31 PM

Thanks Banjo , I couldn't agree more!

04-17-2004, 03:39 PM

Cochlear Implants do have a purpose and that is to enable the late-deafened, hard-of-hearing and those who are losing their hearing rapidly. We cannot impose our "Deaf Culture" on those who were born hearing and had no exposure to our world. The late-deafened struggle through a lot and they are being expected to accept our world. We cannot expect this and their last resort of hearing before having a silent world is a Cochlear Implant. They will grab this chance before being immersed in a quiet world because they will definitely be dragged kicking and screaming into our "Deaf Culture". Vice versa for the Deaf militants that would be dragged kicking and signing if they are to be immersed solely in the hearing world.

Levonian · 04-17-2004, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socrates

They will grab this chance before being immersed in a quiet world because they will definitely be dragged kicking and screaming into our "Deaf Culture". Vice versa for the Deaf militants that would be dragged kicking and signing if they are to be immersed solely in the hearing world.

Oooh—well said. Permission to borrow that line sometime?

View Poll Results: Which Surgery CI belongs to?
Is CI belonging to save human’s risk life?	5	22.73%
Is CI belonging to Cosmetics to improve human’s bodies?	17	77.27%
Is CI belongs to "Lasix"?	0	0%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

04-15-2004, 04:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,032	Which Surgery CI belongs to? * * * Sigh * * * I read CI thread’s post & noticed that you mixed CI thread with heart hole, diseases, teeth, eyes, Siamese twin, etc. etc. I’m here to make a poll to avoid the confusing between heart and etc with CI condition… Heart surgery, cancer, chemotherapy, incurable illness etc are belonging to save humans Risk life. I’m mother & would of do everything to save my children’s life with the help from therapy, surgeries straight way BUT CI? My opinion: CI is belonging to change or improve their bodies different like eyes, teeth, nose, mouth, ears, etc. with the help from “cosmetics” surgeries. I would like to ask you which surgery CI belongs to? That’s why I believe its Child Choice… I let my children to mix with CI, hearing & deaf cultures. I would support my children’s choice because it’s their bodies that wear rest of their life. CI is not belonging to risk life like heart hole, diseases, cancer etc but change their bodies to improve. (like to make them hear)… I respect your decision for implant your child an earlier or let your child to have the choice. Come to discuss with us… Well I vote cosmetic __________________ Last edited by Liebling:-))); 04-15-2004 at 04:48 AM.

04-15-2004, 07:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
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04-15-2004, 08:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,193	Anybody can live without CIs. Being deaf isn't going to kill you. It's merely "something" to help you to hear better. What makes hearing aids different from CIs is that hearing aids are just "hearing aids" that you can put on and off, while CIs is like "implantable hearing aid" where you have something permanently put in your head. __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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04-15-2004, 07:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Malfoyish Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 2,685	Out of those two choices, I'd vote for cosmetic as well...

04-15-2004, 02:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sweet_KJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 722	It is a comestic surgery. People don't need it to save their lives.

04-15-2004, 02:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
DeafSCUBA98 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: land of 10,000 lakes and living by one of them Posts: 4,645	i voted comestic.. its just to improve your hearing. wonder self 2 people voted to save their life from risk.. wonders why.. mind tell ur option on this? __________________ Nucleus Freedom 04/18/05 activiated 05/16/05

04-15-2004, 02:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,554	You have a good question. I voted for Cosmetics. CI does improve human's bodies to feel confident and can socialize with other people. It's the same thing as their apperance has improved and feel confident to socialize with other people.

04-15-2004, 03:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,554	[QUOTE=Liebling:-)))][QUOTE] I mean what you stated is almost correct = 99% prefect... GOTCHA!

04-15-2004, 09:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
Megalofyia Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 52	There aren't enough options to vote. Anyways, my vote would go for that certainly CI is NOT cosmetic, especially since it doesn't enhance a person's appearance at all. Certainly it's not life saving either. However, there are MANY MANY (read - MOST) surgeries that fall in between these two extremes. Getting a prosthesis for someone missing a leg is certainly not life saving and while it does offer some cosmetic benefits it is also more than that. This is where I categorize CI. While CI is obviously not for everyone, especially someone who is going to be belligerent towards it and not going to use it properly there are people who, themselves, consider it a surgery that's not an option not to try. In the thread about good things with CI I posted a story about a woman I know who says she doesn't know how she lived without it. She did go into the whole decision making thing with an open mind and with out the mental stigma that she is a deaf person and thus MUST conform to a certain culture. She did what she thought would be best for her and her family. Again, don't interpret this to mean that I am saying everyone should get it I am simply stating another view to what category CI is in.

04-16-2004, 07:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
Megalofyia Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 52	Lasix surgery for vision isn't cosmetic and it isn't life saving, breast reduction for some women isn't cosmetic and again not life saving, removing of a useless limb for the purposes of making it available for a prosthesis isn't life saving or cosmetic (I have a friend at the moment who is considering this option), correcting hemorrhoids, gastric bypass, some types of surgeries to correct some epilepsies like vagal nerve stimulator, tonsillectomy, cleft pallet, anyways the list goes on.

04-16-2004, 11:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,032	Thank you for explain because I didn´t know about the word about Lasix... Thank you... I understand what you mean now... but CI is still not belong to Lasix but comestic because they think the CI is help to improve babies/children hear & speech development.... The breast reducation, foot, hand (malfornation), siamese twin etc are the big different are of course belong Lasix... YES.. something like removing & correct... but CI is not belong who they correct but improve their speech/hear development, that´s all... Heathly Insurance refused to cover the cost of comestic surgery but they jump & pay straight way when CI comes... because they think CI is the best to improve the baby/toddler hear/speech development. The people are furious because some of them have the problem to improve their bodies but they have to pay their own pocket... What they want to improve is the worst than CI... like improve their breast (not silkon, I mean) because they have no breast or wrong breast... or horrible scar mark on your face etc... They have to pay for this... What a unfair... We all said that CI is belong Kind of comestic... CI is not belong to correct to make you hear & speak but improve their hear/speech development... __________________ Last edited by Liebling:-))); 04-17-2004 at 12:23 AM.

04-17-2004, 07:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
mylittlemen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	:bsflag: The ignorance and lack of knowledge about Cochlear implants by some of you is scary. I can't imagine having such strong views against something that I know so very little about. Maybe some of you should avoid passing such judgements until you have researched it completley.

04-17-2004, 07:39 AM	#22 (permalink)
Megalofyia Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 52	cleft pallet surgery is done on babies to improve speach their future speach.

04-17-2004, 01:12 PM	#26 (permalink)
mylittlemen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	Just as I am giving my opinion!

04-17-2004, 01:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
mylittlemen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	Thanks Banjo , I couldn't agree more!

04-17-2004, 03:39 PM	#29 (permalink)
Socrates Guest Posts: n/a	Cochlear Implants do have a purpose and that is to enable the late-deafened, hard-of-hearing and those who are losing their hearing rapidly. We cannot impose our "Deaf Culture" on those who were born hearing and had no exposure to our world. The late-deafened struggle through a lot and they are being expected to accept our world. We cannot expect this and their last resort of hearing before having a silent world is a Cochlear Implant. They will grab this chance before being immersed in a quiet world because they will definitely be dragged kicking and screaming into our "Deaf Culture". Vice versa for the Deaf militants that would be dragged kicking and signing if they are to be immersed solely in the hearing world.

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