deaf 2 years old kids wear CI - Page 10

Oceanbreeze · 11-28-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Least Restrictive Environment...a law that was passed to make all handicapped children placed in an environment that had the least restrictions on their development in the educational system...unfortunately, it was detrimental for many deaf students because by following the hearing logic, placing deaf children in mainstreamed programs with all hearing children instead of in deaf programs or at Deaf schools was the least restrictive for them when it turned out to the the most restrictive educational setting ever for them.

Looks like we posted at the same time.

But, thanks for explaining the law.

**shel90** · 11-28-2008, 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=faire_jour;1171825]But as Jillio just pointed out, deaf kids who go to hearing school end up having social and emotional problems. That is why the parents want their kids to be around other Deaf kids. Do the teachers use ASL as the class language?
If the kids see signs, they will learn them. Your son can be an example for them. Or are they mean to him?[/QUOTE]

I wonder about that too..

Oceanbreeze · 11-28-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

thanks, ocean. i probably could have figured that out from the context of jillio's post, but for whatever reason the abbreviation just didn't make sense to me.

Heh. I had to think about it for a min before guessing so alls good.

**shel90** · 11-28-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Looks like we posted at the same time.

But, thanks for explaining the law.

No problem...well, hopefully this thread can turn out to one where everyone can understand where each other is coming from without attacked. Good night!

Hear Again · 11-28-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Heh. I had to think about it for a min before guessing so alls good.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by web730

After catching up on this topic and is appalled by Vallee, too.

It's something so appalling that those people who are CI-only approach supporters continue failing to admit that they do have difficult social lives later on. Yet they still say it's the better way... so lame of them!

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Damienmommy, keep teaching your son ASL and hope that you will find a better solution (school & social) for him... since this school apparently is heading toward oralism/TC whatever therefore you might need to seek other school, likely.

Yeah, I am trying to find a other place where the deaf kids who know the signs then i will take my son out of that stupid deaf program before deaf program become oral program.

web730 · 11-29-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Yeah, I am trying to find a other place where the deaf kids who know the signs then i will take my son out of that stupid deaf program before deaf program become oral program.

Yup, it seems like so!

Wish you the best luck and feel free to ask for our support anytime.

**Cheri** · 11-29-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Yeah, I am trying to find a other place where the deaf kids who know the signs then i will take my son out of that stupid deaf program before deaf program become oral program.

What program was your son in? Did the teacher sign too or not? I'm trying to find out what program did you enrolled your son into.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

And for damienmommy---- I can understand how you feel that you would like your deaf son with children that knows sign language so that he wouldn't feel left out, but I think you should do something about it by taking him out and putting him in another program where signs are permit. But, you cannot say "I wish those children didn't have cochlear implant" that can offended those who have cochlear implant. I hope you understand that.

And for the rest of you who were bashing onto Vallee, knock it off, She is entitle to her opinion, deal with it. That's all I gonna say for right now.

Yeah i shouldn't have say that. i was just mad at this moment. But later, I am fine now. I had a lot of thinking about and this things kinda helped me to think more.

**Cheri** · 11-29-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Yeah i shouldn't have say that. i was just mad at this moment. But later, I am fine now. I had a lot of thinking about and this things kinda helped me to think more.

No problem sweetie.

coolgirlspyer90 · 11-29-2008, 12:12 AM

sorry, i just wanted it to be pointed out. cursed my 15-year old brain!!

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Unfortunately, in so many cases, it is the people in the Deaf community, like their teachers, counselors and etc who know their children more than they do. I wish in real life it was all peaches and cream for every deaf child of hearing parents but it is not as I have personally seen in the last 10 years in the field of Deaf education.

Yeah, the teachers, friends, counselors know me more than my family know me. Because my dad and family don't learn signs much..so we couldn't communication and they don't know what I am going through in deaf community. My hearing mother know me pretty a lot, she learning the signs for me to communication with me.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

well, i think children with ci's have just as much a right to attend a deaf school as any other child. after all, the child is still deaf.

Children with ci can attend in ANYYY schools, but important is that kids attend to school where they can understand other kids and teachers. Not being only one so different or feel left out.

**Cheri** · 11-29-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Children with ci can attend in ANYYY schools, but important is that kids attend to school where they can understand other kids and teachers. Not being only one so different or feel left out.

I totally agree, no child should be left behind.

By the way your son is so adorable, is that him in the picture on your avatar?

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Of course, I agree with that but I also can see from the OP's point of view...why dont these children understand sign language? It seems to me that the parents or whoever is allowing this to happen are expecting to reform the Deaf schools into oral-only programs? Just my assumption and I could be wrong but it sure feels like it from reading of the OP's description and in addition to my own personal experience of what I am seeing out there in real life.

Yes that's what I meaning.

Hear Again · 11-29-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Children with ci can attend in ANYYY schools, but important is that kids attend to school where they can understand other kids and teachers. Not being only one so different or feel left out.

so can deaf kids. deaf kids can be mainstreamed just like ci kids can. (note: i'm not saying that mainstreaming is appropriate for all deaf children because it's not. i'm simply pointing out the fact that deaf children CAN be mainstreamed meaning that they, too, can attend public/private schools or schools for the deaf.)

Hear Again · 11-29-2008, 12:42 AM

isn't there another classroom at this school that your son could be placed in? the class he's in now doesn't sound appropriate for his needs.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by coolgirlspyer90

If I could say something...

I got my CI when i was about 8 years old. It's not my parent's decision to get me an CI. I decided that for myself. I decided to get a cochlear implant because I wanted to be able to hear. And From what I know, Most kids decide for themselves if they want one or not. And I think It's important. If you are a parent with a deaf child and you're thinking that you should get your child a cochlear implant..Stop and think for a minute. Ask your child if he or she wants one. Tell him/her that if she wants one, she would have to go through surgery and that it's permament. But I'm not saying that getting a cochlear implant is a bad thing. It can be good too. Like, You're a deaf parent with a deaf child who has a cochlear implant, and that child can be able to do the things that may help you out. I'm 15 years old believe it or not. And I love having a cochlear implant. It's my opinion. But The first thing I wanted to hear when i got my implant was hearing the birds sing, the waves crash, hearing my sister's voice, my mom and dad's voice, the dogs bark, everything that's happening in mother nature. I had to work hard on my cochlear implant to be able to hear things right, to be able to listen to words without having to depend on Closed Captions to make sense to me. Sometimes I use Close Captions. Sometimes I don't. With a cochlear implant can be handy, because In my class we had to watch a video and the video was a few years old and it didn't have captions. And I had to live without it and depend on my cochlear implant. I didn't want to be in a deaf school because I didn't like it. I'm not saying that I'm spoiled and that I should suck up on it for being in a deaf school. I didn't like it because I was so far away from home and there was just signing and having to get up so early in the morning just to go to school. I wanted there to be noises. And so i went back into hearing schools. Having a cochlear implant also helped me with my speech skills. I have improved SO much. When i was 3 I couldn't talk. Now with speech thearpy my parents can't get me to shut the hell up

With the help of the cochlear implant, you don't know how much it has totally helped for all of us who has one. Some people don't like it but some people do. I understand that. But you guys can't really complain how you see that a 2 year old child or a 8 year old kid or whatever age has a cochlear implant. You can be happy for them. But don't worry, Having a cochlear implant is NOT going to affect their deaf history on them. I have a hearing family and a Deaf family. I go back and forth. They can do the same too. Even you. I'll admit, If i'm totally annoyed by my sister i'll just shut off my cochelar implant and my hearing aid off and i'm into the deaf world. Thats one thing I like being deaf. And we all have a advantage to that. In my school I have to leave my "ears" on all day. Even though sometimes they hurt me I have to focus on school. And I have to suck it up. But If my "ears" does hurt me then I would ask my interpreter if I could take off my HA or CI for a few mins and she would let me. Because she knows I would have to put them back on eventually. But Please give the cochlear implant arguement a chance? I don't really like it when I see my deaf family fighting over how my deaf family is so Deaf proud. I'm deaf proud too. But I don't make judgements whether I decide for you NOT to have a cochlear implant. How would you feel if your deaf family told you Not to get one and let you be the way you are when you're thinking about having one? That might change your life in a good way forever?? Think about that coming from a 15 year old girl. No matter who I am, I'll always be part of my deaf family and my hearing family. I'm just different by my personality. Not by my ears.

I ain't against the cochlear implant. I was complaining about how the world has changes, there used to have so many ASL in deaf program for little kids. But now it become oral only. I just surprised when see that deaf kids don't know signs and being oral only by wearing CI. I would like to have ASL continue in deaf community or in deaf program.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Ehhh...what I am seeing in real life, I am not sure if I share the same feelings as you are. Too many subtle hints are telling me that deep down the parents want oral-only at all times for their children at the Deaf schools. I cant elaborate but there have been some situations popping up where oralism took predendence...

I saw my friend in Philly today...she used to be a teacher for the Deaf but she quit her job cuz of the whole push for oralism at her place of work in which holds the BiBi philosophy. She got tired of the BS involved with the push for more oralism than ASL so she lost respect for the field of Deaf ed and quit. I told her I was starting to have the same feelings too.

Wow, same as my interpreter's feeling..She said tired of them pushy more oralism than ASL.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by web730

Is OP the same person, damienmommy?

what r u talk abt?

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

But as Jillio just pointed out, deaf kids who go to hearing school end up having social and emotional problems. That is why the parents want their kids to be around other Deaf kids. Do the teachers use ASL as the class language?
If the kids see signs, they will learn them. Your son can be an example for them. Or are they mean to him?

Depends on what kind of kids..some of them having social and emotional problems..some of them don't. I did went to hearing school in elementary, some of them made fun of me because I am deaf but I just simply ignored them, it didn't make me unhappy. But it does made deaf kids unhappy at public school because of hearing kids made fun of them being deaf and mocking about their signs, hearing kids was acting like being retard with hands moving slkfjldskfh then end up laughed hard at deaf kids..like they did to me. I was like huh? I don't like it but ignored them. Later, I went visited deaf school, I feel like fitting in there because everybody using the ASL, I can understand everybody and feel same as them. So finally I join deaf school and learn way more a lot than elementary school times.

My son asked some of deaf kids question, and kids just didn't answer and ignored him. Sometimes they giving my son a dirty face when they see my son signing to them. Or open wide eyes, making a confused faces at my son. My son feel embarrassed.

You kno, I was assist for the deaf teacher in deaf school for kindergarten. Only 2 deaf kids wearing CI and they do know signs. A woman who work for teaching the kids for how to oral. Woman kept came in and took each kid with ci to go other room to be alone with woman and learn the oral all the times. That kid missed out a lot things going on in the class.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

What program was your son in? Did the teacher sign too or not? I'm trying to find out what program did you enrolled your son into.

I am not sure what name of program, but it's same as kind of program where I went when I was 2 years old. the where kids used to kno the signs, maybe just 2 of them wearing ci but they do know signs too. But now this year, so different, they got better CI technology. Almost whole of kids wearing CI and can't do the signs, have to focus on oral only. The teacher is still the same, teaching deaf kids for many years. She said now seems more kids getting CI and be oral only this year, not like before. Teacher does signs all the way, tried to teach kids how to signs too. Even it's not teacher's responisible to teach kids how to signs, they have to teach kids a education. Like learn to how to say please, or learn how to get in the line, learn how to be social with other kids, learn to sit on the floor with circle of kids, learn to pay attention to the book when teacher telling a story and stuff. Just teach the deaf kids to get ready for next year per school for 3 years old. Then kids can do it without parents being there.

**deafskeptic** · 11-29-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

Children with ci can attend in ANYYY schools, but important is that kids attend to school where they can understand other kids and teachers. Not being only one so different or feel left out.

Well said. I haven't forgotten what it was like in mainstream with no notetakers, terps etc... it was oral only all the way. It was a nightmare.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I totally agree, no child should be left behind.

By the way your son is so adorable, is that him in the picture on your avatar?

Thanks, and yes that's him.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

so can deaf kids. deaf kids can be mainstreamed just like ci kids can. (note: i'm not saying that mainstreaming is appropriate for all deaf children because it's not. i'm simply pointing out the fact that deaf children CAN be mainstreamed meaning that they, too, can attend public/private schools or schools for the deaf.)

Of course deaf kids can too. I just talk abt deaf kids with CI which many people think I against them which I am not.

damienmommy · 11-29-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

isn't there another classroom at this school that your son could be placed in? the class he's in now doesn't sound appropriate for his needs.

no, its right one..the where my friends used to went there. they suggest me to put my son in that school cuz it was best place so I went there and put him in there, then I seen it in my eyes it's way different than what my friend told me. I told my friend abt what I see right now, and she said huh it's not even same as before. guess the world changes itself. Become more technology. She know who that teacher is and said teacher is good at teaching the kids. Teacher said that there used to have few kids with CI, used to have all of them who know signs in that class but seems like not anymore, become only one my kid know signs in that class. Teacher is trying to teach parents how to signs by giving them the paper etc.

rick48 · 11-29-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vallee

I have bilateral cochlear implants and love them. If you hate CIs don't post in the CI section. You have your opinion and I disagree with yours. this is not meant to flame, I was taken back by your posting. Why should the deaf children take off their CIs just because you dislike them? That is wrong. If you hate CIs so much, move your child out of this school into another one.

Vallee,

I am late to this discussion but bravo for your comments they are right on and needed to be said. The ignorance demsonstrated by the OP and the knee jerk reaction by the usual suspects is so typical. That you then get attacked for your comments is also typical of them.
Rick

rick48 · 11-29-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

See. I knew that the answer was there!

Every child in the studies I reviewed suffered negative effects, and those effects were equal across 3 different cultures and age groups.

Of course they have because that is exactly the result you want.

rick48 · 11-29-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by damienmommy

I just wish kids know more signs and stop use CI or something. I want more deaf people come on the earth. Get big deaf world. but I noticed that there deaf world get small and smaller cuz of got CI and focus on talk voice than learning signs. I want to see my son to have social with kids who know signs and able to communicate with him. Than have son talk to adults all the times. He have deaf family on his dad's side, his cousins is hearing and same as his age, they know signs but he don't seen them everyday but I want to find other kids who live near me that know a lot of signs and same as his age, so he can chat with and play with. :-( I really hate CI, no offense.

Amazing!

Parents who have made reasoned and intelligent choices for their children, who have decided what is in the best interests of their children should have those choices taken away, children who have benefited from cochlear implants should have them denied to them, children who can communicate orally should no longer do so all so your child can have someone to play with!

As a parent who has a child with a cochlear implant, yes indeed I do take offense at the ignorance and selfishness of your attitude.

Vivie · 11-29-2008, 08:28 AM

Even if I don't post often, I've been looking into this thread.

damienmommy , I definitely can see where you're coming from.

and vallee, I see her point , but both you used a little bit strong language.but I see that all's well

for the kid ( btw he IS adorable! ) I can agree with you.I do not sign ( raised orally , as we didn't have a deaf school at my town , and the one I could go was only boarding , my parents did not want it ) but they were prepared to learn , if the need arose.It never did, as all my family was hearing , and I never seen another kid with HA's till my 20's.Not to mention that the deaf school , was n't educating anyone.Now it does with parents advocating , but back then..it was a total disaster.

I often wished through I could learn GSL ( Greek SL ) . Maybe if I learned both languages , I would be happier in both environments.who knows.it's a regret of mine.

But back to you.I think you're right.If parents are going to send the kids in Deaf school , they should support wholeheartedly that decision , by learning at LEAST the basic signs and take it from there.take the kid's cues.or at least a bi-bi approach.

and I know that you aren't anti-CI.Just that you don't want it for yourself or your kid , and that is all right.it is YOUR decision, and I see even through your words that you respect the choice for the other kids their parents make.You just are confused why they send them , if they don't sign? and you feel sad for your son.and that is all right too to feel sad and frustrated.And you're right.his education might be bang on the point.but he needs peer reaction and communication.it's a major point of anyone's life.

Kids learn from one another usually.If you find the ideal school , that would be ideal.but , you know what? maybe you should get in a PTA meeting, with an interp.try and emphasize to most parents, that anyway you respect their choice , they also have to help along their decision for Deaf school.there are kids that can have the best of both worlds.

As for moving away to find the ideal school , that's okay , but he also needs his family even if they're hearing.the choices are yours and yours alone to make Melissa ( btw , your name means honey bee in Greek.

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I hope now that you've vented and felt better , and we made you stop and think , to see and try and decide what it's best for your damienson.

Please give an hug to the kid , all the way from Greece , he's so adorable!

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shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,305 Blog Entries: 3	[QUOTE=faire_jour;1171825]But as Jillio just pointed out, deaf kids who go to hearing school end up having social and emotional problems. That is why the parents want their kids to be around other Deaf kids. Do the teachers use ASL as the class language? If the kids see signs, they will learn them. Your son can be an example for them. Or are they mean to him?[/QUOTE] I wonder about that too.. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

11-29-2008, 08:28 AM	#300 (permalink)
Vivie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Greece Posts: 289	Even if I don't post often, I've been looking into this thread. damienmommy , I definitely can see where you're coming from. and vallee, I see her point , but both you used a little bit strong language.but I see that all's well for the kid ( btw he IS adorable! ) I can agree with you.I do not sign ( raised orally , as we didn't have a deaf school at my town , and the one I could go was only boarding , my parents did not want it ) but they were prepared to learn , if the need arose.It never did, as all my family was hearing , and I never seen another kid with HA's till my 20's.Not to mention that the deaf school , was n't educating anyone.Now it does with parents advocating , but back then..it was a total disaster. I often wished through I could learn GSL ( Greek SL ) . Maybe if I learned both languages , I would be happier in both environments.who knows.it's a regret of mine. But back to you.I think you're right.If parents are going to send the kids in Deaf school , they should support wholeheartedly that decision , by learning at LEAST the basic signs and take it from there.take the kid's cues.or at least a bi-bi approach. and I know that you aren't anti-CI.Just that you don't want it for yourself or your kid , and that is all right.it is YOUR decision, and I see even through your words that you respect the choice for the other kids their parents make.You just are confused why they send them , if they don't sign? and you feel sad for your son.and that is all right too to feel sad and frustrated.And you're right.his education might be bang on the point.but he needs peer reaction and communication.it's a major point of anyone's life. Kids learn from one another usually.If you find the ideal school , that would be ideal.but , you know what? maybe you should get in a PTA meeting, with an interp.try and emphasize to most parents, that anyway you respect their choice , they also have to help along their decision for Deaf school.there are kids that can have the best of both worlds. As for moving away to find the ideal school , that's okay , but he also needs his family even if they're hearing.the choices are yours and yours alone to make Melissa ( btw , your name means honey bee in Greek. ) I hope now that you've vented and felt better , and we made you stop and think , to see and try and decide what it's best for your damienson. Please give an hug to the kid , all the way from Greece , he's so adorable! __________________ http://greek-ci.blogspot.com/ <--English blog!! Implanted left ear on 22th May 2008 with Nucleus Freedom Implant Activated 28th May 2008 with Nucleus Freedom BTE ( chocolate colour )

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coolgirlspyer90 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,635	sorry, i just wanted it to be pointed out. cursed my 15-year old brain!!

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	isn't there another classroom at this school that your son could be placed in? the class he's in now doesn't sound appropriate for his needs.