Lissa

can you please send me the links you found? Thanks


I didnt know Naida's were new. I might be due for a HA upgrade soon then...

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ljjehl

The link showing availability in UK here:

Speakers Corner - London: Finally got them – Oticon spirit III P

Oticon does not show availability any more on their site, it may have been discontinued:

Mature products

yaelhass

Thanks,
I sent you my details.
Yael

ljjehl

Here's more info on name change:

Spirit 3 is an oticon hearing aid, made specifically for the NHS, but they can also be bought privately, under the name 'Sumo DM', and Oticon have assured me, they are absolutely identical hearing aids

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Lissa

As I do think my spirit 3sp or sumo dm arent working properly for me, i dont seem to hear much


Thanks for info!!

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ljjehl

either they are wearing out, or your hearing has changed. I would get a checkup with your audi to see what can be done....good luck!!!!

Lissa

I am going for a hearing test this month so I'll find out hopefully how I'm doing

Thanks!!

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hohDougRN

HUH? your HA battery last 10 min????? I get near1 week with my oticons

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DeafBorg

I am having problems with my old aid which is the digi focus. It keeps turning the volume up and down all day. Talk about annoying. But I love the reviews on the Naidas.

I have medicare would they cover some cost for the aids?

Hear Again

I used to have a pair of Oticon DigiFocus II super power BTEs and had nothing but trouble with them. Medicare should cover some of the cost of repair. It varies state by state, so you may want to check with them or your audi.

DeafBorg

Thank you hearagain. I will just do that and also see if she can work something out so I can just upgrade my aids. Heck I am willing to donate this aid when I get new aids.

Escuchamezz

I have acquired a pair of Phonak Naida hearing aids yesterday and they are totally different to what I have been used to for the past 11 years which were the Widex Senso hearing aids. The sounds seem to be quite muted, and not as amplified, for example when I'm driving in my car listening to music, I can't hear myself speak or hear the engine noise! All I can hear are the instruments playing but not the lyrics! If I turn my music up to max, it still sounds the same as if it were on the medium volume!

I get the feeling that these hearing aids have been automatically programmed to remove the background noise and limits the amplification at which I can hear. I can hardly hear myself whistle, I can't hear myself coughing it is all very surreal! But I can hear footsteps, the rustle of paper and birds tweeting outside. When someone speaks to me, their voice seems very electronic like and it sounds as if the hearing aids are trying to suppress this sound and mould it into something that I can easily 'understand'. My audiologist said to give these hearing aids about 3 months to bed-in because I am too used my previous ones.

I just find this all quite uncomfortable, because I find my hearing to be at least 50% worse than before. Also, I can't even use the phone anymore because the hearing aids seems to think it's fit to tone down the sound of the person speaking to me. I get the feeling that these Naida's have been convoluted with some pretty useless technology especially as it seems to enjoy muting out certain sounds. I want to be able to hear everything that I could before, I don't want these Naida's to drown out sounds that it deems necessary.

I'm not finding the experience really enjoyable right now and I still have my old widex in a box upstairs which are tempting me to use again! I'm willing to give these Naida's an extended trial because sooner or later, my older Widex aids will bite the dust and I'll be left in a really tight pickle! This is the perfect time for me to be using these aids as I am currently on a 3 month Summer holiday before I do my Masters degree at the University of Exeter!

Is what I have described an normal experience, and if not, what can you suggest for me to tell the audiologist before I go back to see her on the 8th July? For the record, I'm a 21 year old guy who is suffering a profound level of deafness who has only ever used one pair of digital hearing aids in his life time so maybe that has skewed my experience of the Naidas'. With my previous hearing aids, I have maintained an acceptable level of hearing in order to survive in most aspects of socialising and working in a hearing world. However, with these current hearing aids I'm struggling to even hold a basic conversation with my friends and family!

Fozzy

I had the same experience that you are having.
There is a filter in the ear hooks that contributes to this muting that you are describing. My aid quit on me 4 weeks after getting it and it turned out the filter in the ear hook was the culprit. Even thought I put the aid in a dry aid kit every night the filter was getting to moist and not drying out overnight. My Audi replaced the ear hook with ones without the filter and it has been fine since plus I notice a boost in sounds. Now all of the adjustments I had her make are to strong (Due to the filter) but I'm going to stick it out for a couple of weeks and see her on my Pre Op date.
Yes finally I'm getting the CI in the left ear!!!! July 15th is the Day!!!
Right ear will remain HA until I get comprehension with the CI in the left ear.


Good luck with your new aids it will take several sessions with the Audi to get them where you want them.

ljjehl

Hi,

I, too, have had my issues with my aids at first. It took me about 5 major and 5 minor (cosmetic program adjustments) adjustments to get the aids where I want them.

Best way to get the aids adjusted properly is write down all the issues you have with the aids, ie. female voices intelligible, male voices dull and hollow, background sounds override voices, etc. The audiologist can make the adjustments via the iPFG programming interface on the computer...and it's easier to make those adjustments if everything is written on paper.

Fozzy: I didn't know those filters in the ear hooks might be an issue there (restricting sounds). I never have figured what the use of the filter was for, as my warbling noise issues were due to the weather/moisture protectors getting too saturated. I don't think I had an issue with water moving from the eardrum to the hearing aid via the tube....

Fozzy

"I don't think I had an issue with water moving from the eardrum to the hearing aid via the tube.... "

Guess I let off more Steam

The idea of writing down the sound issues is a good one, I send my Audi an email once a week then review with her at the appointment.

ljjehl

I already brought up the issue with my audi. The more sounds that reaches my ear at my stage of profound hearing loss (90-120dB, ski slope), the better of I am. It's even possible that the filters are distorting the sounds somewhat. Any kind of medium that is between a source and destination of a sound has a possibility of being distorted (bounced around).

By the way, we are both from Texas (as I see from your profile), so the heat out there these days is really making us let off steam!!

deafdude1

Then you need to get them reprogrammed! I had the exact same Widex HAs as you and I heard louder/better across the board with the new Naidas! If your audiologist can't correctly program a much more powerful HA to be better than a 10 year old HA, do not buy those but return them! Perhaps youd want to buy an inexpensive Simens HA online for a fraction of the cost. It can be self programmed by adjusting pots accessed by opening a cover.

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TWA

Agreed. I also had the Sensos for many years, and while I liked the great sound quality they put out, the Naidas are just a far more advanced and powerful device.

Keep trying. I just had a new program session last week that ended up being a step backwards. Now I need to go back in and have old configuration set and go from there. It's an ongoing process.

cdmeggers

there's filters in the Naida hooks?! I never knew that. ew, why would that do that?

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ljjehl

They used it to prevent the moisture from coming from the ear to the hearing aid (severe cases, I suspect) I plan to get them removed unless the sound quality doesn't make a difference....

ljjehl

I remember having a step backwards also. The Phonak rep decided to input a program she devised to help remove the background noises I had complained about. It ended up removing the bass sounds that make up parts of the speech sounds and I could not hear my wife speaking intelligibly (maybe that was a good thing? ) Once I removed the program input (via my audi) and made adjustments with the bassboost, everything was positive from there on out.

A successful programming of the Phonak Naidas depend on how experienced the audi is regarding Phonak programming software as well as their knowledge in what causes certain hearing issues.

samkylejosh714

How do I get a phonak tech rep and my audie together in person to resolve my ongoing programing issues?

ljjehl

You need to have your audi decide that one...the audi has to call Phonak and ask to have a rep come visit and set you up.....

mrk08

Hey guys, haven't posted on here in a while...so you guys probably don't remember me at all . BTW, this is a pretty long thread

I was just wondering if anyone here was able to compare the difference between the Naida SP vs. the Naida UP (size-wise...I know that the fitting range is extended more for the Naida UP). I am purchasing Naida IX BTEs next week and I was just wondering whether the UPs look too big (and maybe even feel a little heavier?). I know that the UPs use the 675 batteries, which are larger than the 13 batteries that the SPs use. Over the past decade, I've only used hearing aids that use the 13 batteries so you could say that I've grown accustomed to the smaller-sized BTEs. Also, any comments on the difference in battery life and price between the 675 and the 13?

It's not really a big difference for me if you look at the fitting range; it's borderline at the frequency of 2000 Hz; the SPs cut off at 115 dB at that frequency while the loudest sound that I can hear at that frequency is 120 dB for my right ear and 115 dB for my left. I could simply use frequency transposition at that frequency to make up for that deficiency in the SPs. However, I've read around in the forums here that many people dislike the transposition feature, claiming that sounds are less natural, so the obvious tradeoff here is transposed sounds with the SP for natural sounds with the UP. Any comments?

Thanks in advance!

john57

It is a mechanical audio filter designed to tame the resonance peak that is in all BTE hearing aids usually close to 1kHz. In other words it is a notch filter to smooth the peak. As you can tell it usually cause more problems than it solves. This has been a feature on some hearing aids for a long time. My Phonak aid 15 years ago had it. I am just a bit surprised to find it on a modern hearing aids when a notch audio function can be programed.

deafdude1

What's your audiogram? Regardless, a 120db loss is unaidable and most likley just a cochlear dead region anyway. I thought about the SP but it has less gain at the frequencies we can use than the UP. As for transposition, I tried it and it's useless since the cutoff is 1500Hz and according to the piano thud test, I hear nothing past 1200Hz. Above that it's one big cochlear dead zone.
What you will want to do is maximize the gains where you still have residual hearing. You can't help the highs but the lows make up for it. More gain in the lows increased my speech on close set sentences by 20%!

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mrk08

Here is my audiogram:


The fitting ranges for the Naida SP and UP can be seen here:
http://www.naida.phonak.com/fileadmi...rmation_GB.pdf

Looking at my audiogram:
At 1000 Hz -- 100 dB in both ears, which can be covered by the SP
At 1500 Hz -- ~105-110 dB, which can still be covered by the SP
At 2000 Hz -- 110 dB in my left ear and 120 dB in my right ear. With the SP, I'd be able to hear at 110 dB in my left ear but not 120 dB in my right ear.
At 3000 Hz -- 120 dB in both ears
At 4000 Hz and up -- no response at the maximum output of the audiometer

Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to hear anything below 120 dB at 2000-3000 Hz regardless of whether I go with the SP or the UP? Since this is at the border of the fitting range, I would assume not...

So this means that anything above 1500 Hz cannot be transposed to a lower frequency?

Thanks!

deafdude1

Nice that you have only a moderate loss at 250Hz and below! How much do you hear unaided? Ive always wondered what it's like to hear unaided!

Similar but the UP is 5-10db more powerful at 2000Hz and below.

The SP may cover your loss but do you want to hear 5-10db worse? With your(and my) degree of loss, the UP is simply better.


You need to allow for a dynamic range of at least 10db above your threshold. You also need to know about cochlear dead regions. I have audiograms that show I can hear as high as 3000-4000Hz but this "false" responses don't truly arise from high frequency hearing but off-frequency hearing. My cochlear dead zones are anywhere from 500Hz to 1250Hz, I will need a TEN or PTC test to find out where the dead zone starts.

Good articles on identifying cochlear dead spots

You can start here and learn more.


Anything at 1500Hz and below is heard normally without transposition. Anything above 1500Hz is transported to a lower frequency but never below 1500Hz. For example, 4000Hz could be pushed down to 2000Hz but if you can't hear 2000Hz then transposition is useless. I can't really hear 1500Hz so transposition with this HA is useless. I would need a HA that can transport sounds to a much lower frequency than the 1500Hz cutoff.

My other options are to get a CI or wait for stem cells to improve my hearing.(see my blog, link in sig)
You have 10-20db more hearing than me and you might hear 30db HL if they test 125Hz. If you really still can't decide between SP and UP, why not ask to try both? I bet youll end up keeping the UP. Make sure your audiologist programs the UP for maximum gains(not exceeding 50db gain at 250Hz and 30db? at 125Hz) but watches the SPL/MPO so it never exceeds your UCL. If he has a soundfield, have him test your aided hearing and reprogram till you hear the best possible. Hope this helps!

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sirena rossa

Hello all,
i'm noticing that most (if not all) of these posts pertain to the Naida 3s or 5s. But has anyone tried the latest? the Naida 9s.

supposedly they are like the 5s but better and with 2 additional features.
I tried the 5s about a year (or two?) ago and i had mixed feelings.
I seem to be liking these 9s a lot better! I have been trying them out for almost a month now. (and need to make a decision soon!)
There are some situations where i feel that they are not as good as my Oticon Digifocus II SPs. and then there are some situations where i feel that the Naida 9s are superior!

for example: in noisy places, like a crowded restaurant, walkin in the city, or just a place where there's a lot of commotion, I actually have a hard time hearing myself and hearing the person im talking to. I wonder if its because i'm like TOO aware of surrounding sounds?

example of where Nadia 9s >>> Oticon DFIIs: a more quiet place or a small party or just hanging out with the TV on - in those type of places, it seems like my hearing distance is 5x as longer/wider. I can hear the person across from the room well enough. I could also hear my fiance around in the kitchen, cooking. and this was like down two hallways. I could even hear the kitchen door close. Female voices sound more feminine (lol...) I know I can hear certain SH and S sounds a lot better. I do have a hard time discriminating S, T and C in a word/sentence tho.

Its strange though... even though i feel like i can't hear myself as well as i do with the Oticons, I have definitley noticed that people have not asked me to repeat myself as often. So maybe I am actually getting better with my speech and easier to understand??

Anyone have similar experiences (or opposite) with the Naida 9s?

MaxWho

Just received my IX's yesterday from the VA, so give me a week to have something intelligent to say. LOL First impression is that they are wonderful.

I just ordered, over the telephone an iCom. They are HearingAirDocs.com and the iCom will be sent to California for under $300, so I hope they are for real!