CI Robots? - Page 2

vallee · 03-21-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by authentic

Have you skydiving with your ci on?
Have you went to scuba diving (30 feet or deeper) with your ci on?

Those are two things I would not even do with hearing aids or cis. Not my type of hobbies. Pick something a little down to Earth, then yes. Let me see scrapbooking - check
rollercosters - check
swimming - of course without ci or hearing aid on check
teaching - check
driving - check
movies - check
running and walking - check
the gym - check
shopping - double check

that is as much adventure as I need.

vallee · 03-21-2008, 08:01 AM

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rick48 · 03-21-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Why would some Deaf individuals say that CI patients are robotic? Isn’t CI technology just a way to improve hearing? I mean the person does not change who they are as an individual- their behavior and thinking in the months/years following surgery, right? They don't adapt a more "hearing" type of personality. I would surely think not.

Now, I am not talking about culture but personality. My target here is in the individual and not the group: Personal perspectives and not the accepted values of a culture. I hope I’m clear on that because it’s important to understand prior to replying.

Please keep in mind that I am brand new (kinda) to all this…so forgive me if I caused offense.

While I have seen or heard ci users referred to as "robots" by those who consider themselves to be Deaf, the context in which they are called or referred to as "robot" is almost always derrogatory. I think it stems from a basic insecurity and fear of change. The real question is why do certain Deaf individuals feel the need to insult those who have cochlear implants?

Rick

TechBill · 03-21-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by vallee

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rays of raychelle: People with CI's Can't Drive Hybrids and Play Football?

I wanted to point out that some implant like the AB implant can go in MRI and do not need to be removed before going into MRI. However a tiny cut is need to remove just the magnet from the implant then put back in after MRI is done.

But suppose it was an emengry and you needed a MRI right away and it even safe to have MRI with the magnet still in the implant but the magnet may be de-magnetized or lose it holding power that it will need to replace the magnet after the MRI.

The whole implant will not need to be taken out or replaced at all for MRI just the small magnet on it which a small cut in skin is need to pull the magnet out of the implant since the implant sit under your skin.

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PowerON · 03-21-2008, 11:40 AM

the monster robot will find way to control your CI as they will take over the world.

Help John Conner!!! Save us!

neecy · 03-21-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by authentic

This is one of example.

Again - nothing about his prosthetics is robotic- they're simply prosthetics...HE does the running/walking and they're assistive.

Again - a person may use a robotic piece of equipment, but that doesn't make the PERSON themselves a robot. My grandmother uses an electric wheelchair to get around...that's robotic in a way, but SHE isn't a robot. I have a CI, but it doesn't make me a robot either....

neecy · 03-21-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TechBill

I wanted to point out that some implant like the AB implant can go in MRI and do not need to be removed before going into MRI. However a tiny cut is need to remove just the magnet from the implant then put back in after MRI is done.

But suppose it was an emengry and you needed a MRI right away and it even safe to have MRI with the magnet still in the implant but the magnet may be de-magnetized or lose it holding power that it will need to replace the magnet after the MRI.

The whole implant will not need to be taken out or replaced at all for MRI just the small magnet on it which a small cut in skin is need to pull the magnet out of the implant since the implant sit under your skin.

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I didn't know that AB has a implant that can do that too! I have a Cochlear Freedom and that's one of the big selling points that you can have an MRI as long as you remove the magnet beforehand.

R2D2 · 03-21-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vallee

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rays of raychelle: People with CI's Can't Drive Hybrids and Play Football?

I just had to comment on this website. Very interesting and informative! I wonder if she comes to AD, it's almost as if she has been following the discussions here or is the deaf community that small for the same rumours and stories to circulate?

vallee · 03-21-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

I just had to comment on this website. Very interesting and informative! I wonder if she comes to AD, it's almost as if she has been following the discussions here or is the deaf community that small for the same rumours and stories to circulate?

She has several vlogs posted on CIs. You can find a lot of positive and negative response about it on deafread.com

Banjo wrote a fantastic blog about this as well.

R2D2 · 03-21-2008, 09:55 PM

Do you mean Banjo? What's his blog address?

vallee · 03-21-2008, 10:21 PM

Banjo's World: Raychelle is an Asset to the Deaf Community

yes I am going back and editing it. sorry

shel90 · 03-21-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

I just had to comment on this website. Very interesting and informative! I wonder if she comes to AD, it's almost as if she has been following the discussions here or is the deaf community that small for the same rumours and stories to circulate?

I personally know Raychelle myself and I agree with her views that all implanted children should have exposure to both ASL and oral skills.

I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.

R2D2 · 03-21-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.

Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.

shel90 · 03-21-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.

Her view is great..now if we can get the professionals from the medical field, oralists and parents accept that view as well and accept ASL as a vital tool for all deaf children.

R2D2 · 03-22-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Her view is great..now if we can get the professionals from the medical field, oralists and parents accept that view as well and accept ASL as a vital tool for all deaf children.

Yes. And also for more members of the deaf community to move to Raychelle's position in accepting that there are some advantages to early implantation. Then there might actually be some sort of peace LOL!

shel90 · 03-22-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Yes. And also for more members of the deaf community to move to Raychelle's position in accepting that there are some advantages to early implantation. Then there might actually be some sort of peace LOL!

OOOH ..that is a tough one.."early implantation" is a very sensitive subject within the Deaf community for several reasons. For myself, I am not comfortable with the idea because I am a HA user and severely profoundly deaf but can use my HAs so well so I believe that the doctors need to give babies more time to see how well they do with their HAs before implanting them. Now, we are seeing 6 month olds getting implanted? How will we ever know how well they could have done with HAs. That is why I am not comfortable with the idea of implanting babies. Doesnt mean I will reject the parents or the kids themselves but I will have to refrain my feelings and opinions from them.

R2D2 · 03-22-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

OOOH ..that is a tough one.."early implantation" is a very sensitive subject within the Deaf community for several reasons. For myself, I am not comfortable with the idea because I am a HA user and severely profoundly deaf but can use my HAs so well so I believe that the doctors need to give babies more time to see how well they do with their HAs before implanting them. Now, we are seeing 6 month olds getting implanted? How will we ever know how well they could have done with HAs. That is why I am not comfortable with the idea of implanting babies. Doesnt mean I will reject the parents or the kids themselves but I will have to refrain my feelings and opinions from them.

Most implantations happen around the age of 18 months to 2. Is this still too young for you? I think this is probably what Raychelle has in mind rather than 6 months. Most babies with some residual hearing are trialled with HAs first before the CI is decided upon. Maybe with some very large losses they don't bother?

Also, you are a fairly uncommon success story for someone with such a big loss. My nephew has a similar loss to yours (120db I think?) and HAs were useless for him. It could take years of intensive therapy in that situation to ascertain whether or not someone benefits from HAs with very large losses.

shel90 · 03-22-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Most implantations happen around the age of 18 months to 2. Is this still too young for you? I think this is probably what Raychelle has in mind rather than 6 months. Most babies with some residual hearing are trialled with HAs first before the CI is decided upon. Maybe with some very large losses they don't bother?

Also, you are a fairly uncommon success story for someone with such a big loss. My nephew has a similar loss to yours (120db I think?) and HAs were useless for him. It could take years of intensive therapy in that situation to ascertain whether or not someone benefits from HAs with very large losses.

My brother has the same loss as your nephew and I do and HAs werent successful for him despite spending 5 years in an oral-only program (the same one I went to). I dont know why they worked for me. My best friend has the same loss too and HAs worked for her. She can even have short conversations on the phone! It is just werird how these things work.

deafbajagal · 03-22-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rick48

While I have seen or heard ci users referred to as "robots" by those who consider themselves to be Deaf, the context in which they are called or referred to as "robot" is almost always derrogatory. I think it stems from a basic insecurity and fear of change. The real question is why do certain Deaf individuals feel the need to insult those who have cochlear implants?

Rick

Calling them robots is indeed derrogatory and downright rude. Deaf people are just like hearing people...you have some who will and some who won't.

Banjo · 03-22-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vallee

Banjo wrote a fantastic blog about this as well.

Thanks.

shel90 · 03-22-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.

Raychelle responded to my page...she had never heard of alldeaf. Maybe she will register in the near future.

rick48 · 03-22-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Calling them robots is indeed derrogatory and downright rude. Deaf people are just like hearing people...you have some who will and some who won't.

Could not agree with you more. On the flip side, some of the kindest and most caring people we know were the deaf adults we met when our daughter became deaf.
Rick

authentic · 03-22-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Calling them robots is indeed derrogatory and downright rude. Deaf people are just like hearing people...you have some who will and some who won't.

Interesting opinion you have.

deafskeptic · 03-22-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I personally know Raychelle myself and I agree with her views that all implanted children should have exposure to both ASL and oral skills.

I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.

Do invite her. We'd be happy to have her post here.

deafskeptic · 03-22-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rick48

Could not agree with you more. On the flip side, some of the kindest and most caring people we know were the deaf adults we met when our daughter became deaf.
Rick

I agree with both of you on this one. Even when I was against CIs, I would never call anyone robots for having a CI.

deafskeptic · 03-22-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Raychelle responded to my page...she had never heard of alldeaf. Maybe she will register in the near future.

Opps, I spoke too soon.

LuciaDisturbed · 03-22-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by authentic

I have many friends who use CI, etc. but sorry to say this I do still consider CI as robot, because CI is not natural body. It is man-made material, and put it in the human body is robot. Same with heart/kidney transplant, pacemaker, etc. is robotic material to assist the human body.
no bashing please

Heart/Kidney transplant is robotic? How? It came from another human being, and has no machine or robotic material. It's the real thing. Not man-made. How does it make the heart/kidney robotic? This makes no sense!

See? There is no machine or robotic material in the heart and the kidney!

***VamPyroX*** · 03-22-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew's Dad

From stories I've heard from others, some people do change their personality after getting cochlear implant(s). Sometimes they stop associating with their other Deaf friends and can take on an air of self-importance.

I find that very sad and relatively disgusting, but I have heard of it happening. It must be something with some people where being able to hear makes them in some way want to stop being deaf, or just associate with hearing people when they couldn't before.

I don't know why it happens, but I have heard of it happening.

As far as wondering if a CI makes you robotic or less human, I think that's silly - having a CI doesn't change your personality, but some act different once getting it.

Yep, it happens... because those people chose to be that way.

You are who you are.

If you're deaf and you have a deaf friend who is very close with you. One day, he gets CI and suddenly changes his personality... you shouldn't blame the fact that he got CI. You should blame the fact that he chose to change and not talk to you any more. Therefore, he's not a true friend. Let him go.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-22-2008, 11:46 PM

Robot is usually a machine that is controlled by humans for the purpose of completing certain tasks. One example would be the robots that they have on Mars. Those things are built for the purpose of exploring Mars, taking pictures, and collecting data. All of these tasks are repetitive and that's what makes it a robot.

If you got CI, it wouldn't make you a robot. It's simply a product that lets your nerves do something it couldn't do before... hear.

As for bionic, that's more of an enhancement... which is not a CI isn't.

Remember the old television show called The Six Million Dollar Man? Well, that guy had his body replaced so that he could do things better than a normal human could? His eyesight, running speed, jumping height, and strength were enhanced. So, those are what you would call... bionic limbs, eyes, implants, etc.

So, is the CI designed for the purpose of making you hear better than a normal hearing person? No. It's simply designed to allow your nerves to process sound "like a hearing person". Therefore, it shouldn't be a "bionic implant".

Even if a deaf person were to get bionic ears, would that still make this deaf person reliable when it comes to hearing things? No. It still takes a lot of time to perceive and understand things that's being heard. Hearing people grow up hearing everything and recognizing things instantly. If they got bionic implants to make them hear much better than normal, then they would do better.

AliciaM · 03-23-2008, 12:48 AM

speaking of controlling...lol when i first got my ha. Phonak una...well it has data logging which tells my audi how long i'm using my ha and when i swich my settings etc and after 2 weeks of having it i went in for an adjustment and i saw my audi's dad (it's a family run ha clinic)and he was like ya i can even go back and listen to ur convos..and i could feel that my cheeks went kinda red and my eyes were a bit bulgy cuz i thought he was serious!!! and then he saw my face and was like im just kidding and burst out laughing! lol

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 31,457	Robot is usually a machine that is controlled by humans for the purpose of completing certain tasks. One example would be the robots that they have on Mars. Those things are built for the purpose of exploring Mars, taking pictures, and collecting data. All of these tasks are repetitive and that's what makes it a robot. If you got CI, it wouldn't make you a robot. It's simply a product that lets your nerves do something it couldn't do before... hear. As for bionic, that's more of an enhancement... which is not a CI isn't. Remember the old television show called The Six Million Dollar Man? Well, that guy had his body replaced so that he could do things better than a normal human could? His eyesight, running speed, jumping height, and strength were enhanced. So, those are what you would call... bionic limbs, eyes, implants, etc. So, is the CI designed for the purpose of making you hear better than a normal hearing person? No. It's simply designed to allow your nerves to process sound "like a hearing person". Therefore, it shouldn't be a "bionic implant". Even if a deaf person were to get bionic ears, would that still make this deaf person reliable when it comes to hearing things? No. It still takes a lot of time to perceive and understand things that's being heard. Hearing people grow up hearing everything and recognizing things instantly. If they got bionic implants to make them hear much better than normal, then they would do better. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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