Why CI is bad for kids under 6 yrs. - Page 4

jillio · 02-15-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySekhmet

True, but wouldn't it be the opposite because they have been vaccinated? So it would make sense to say that CI implanted child in a college dormitory would be at a lesser risk than a hearing child.

It has got to be tough to be a parent and consider about all the vaccinations that's required...that a whole 'nother topic.

If they had been vaccinated, yes. The problem arises when the vaccine is not kept up to date, or when surgeons perform surgery without insuring that the first vaccine has been given.

**Cheri** · 02-15-2008, 05:28 PM

I think things has been change now, more kids are getting their vaccinations before their implant surgery. I hope so.

jillio · 02-15-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I think things has been change now, more kids are getting their vaccinations before their implant surgery. I hope so.

I hope so, too. But unfortunately, it isn't always the case.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Who said I am anti-ci ? I am in favor for kids to make the decision rather than having their parents to force implant on them. Beside, most likely deaf child will be able to think for themselves when they acquire language at least by 5 or 6 years old. Why not wait until they are capable to decide for themselves?

Again do you understand how children develop language and that if a child is implant when he is older he will not be able to learn at the level of a child who is implant say around 1 or 2 years old.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

No it's truth.. ton ton ton deaf people who have ci.. and angry about their side effects and apporach angry at their parents.. why can't they listen their feelings expression due HELL HEADACHE or pain their head due numbness and so many many..
You have not seen CI teenagers and adult who was implanted when so young... by parent force child..

You don't know! I feel sorry for you... you have no clue!
Why don't you research more find it out about ugly truth about CI..
Good Luck!

YOU DON'T KNOW. I live with 2 teenage deaf children that have implants. They love their implants. I work in field that I am always in contact with adults that have implants. I am not sure where you are hiding and where you find your info but open your eyes and realize that there people that love their implant that they think their implants are miracles. I know that there are people that hate their implants. I feel sorry for you living in your little not seeing the world for what it is some people love their implant and some do not.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

Okay.. you want your child hear... "sound"

for example..
I want my baby remove cochlear and want my baby DEAF..
How hearing people feel and think I'm ABUSE?

spill your bean?

You're forcing your child Oral?

I've been there oral for many many many years.. really fusterated for me..
Tired of Teacher kept spitting squirting my face.. not enough education learn English and reading.. The Teacher are focus children LEARN LISTEN AND TALK.. important... I'm glad, I was transfered to Deaf School.. and felt much better and happy learned it LOT education... I recognized who am I identity's.. I accept, I'm Deaf. I'm very happy..

but you want have your child implanted.. What if your child not happy their ci.. what will you do ? Ignore your child's feelings?

You have no idea who I am and what I believe in. You are making judgements without taking the time to find out.

I am not forcing my children to be oral. Yes, I did raise my orally. My children are now teenagers and I have told them that if they want they can take off their implants and hearing aids and stop using their voice and get involved in the Deaf culture. While I do not know enough sign to carry a complete conversation, I have a couple fo classes in the past. And you know my second class I took at John Tracy Clinic when I was studying to become an oral teacher of the deaf. I know enough to talk to my children deaf friends and would take more classes so that I can talk to my children.

My children have told why would they do that that they like who they are.

My daughter did go to a high school that had a TC program and she now goes to our local high school. I have asked her many times if she wants to go back, she said no mom they were not giving a good education.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySekhmet

ARE YOU JOKING ME?! how many is "TON TON TON"? That's not even a number. You are looking at the NEGATIVES, not the positives. Besides, there are over 100,000 CI users...how many do you really think have problems? I would say maybe 2%...that's about 200 people. It may seem a lot, but what about the other 98%?! (I really wish I can find data on this...I'll do the research and get back to you.

)

Think about it...think it like a computer...20 years ago, computers were chunky, heavy, PIA, SLOW (heck, my first computer was 75 mhz!!

). Now, 20 years later - fast, easy, light...SAME analogy to CI!! I can BET you that some of those people who have problems may have one of the following:

1 - Not training...if there's lack of training, there will be issues
2 - HIGH expectations. A few expect to hear on first day..that's not the case
3 - MANY of these people's EARS have never been simulated to sound, hence why it hurts! If I don't wear my hearing aid for a month, then I put it on, it will be very loud and hurt...then after a few days, it will be fine. Same thing for CI. The nerves are like, "WTF?!" at first, then gradually becomes, "More Power! More sound!!"
4 - BAD surgery, misplacement of implant (many were new at doing this type of surgery, and nowadays better pain management, better instruments, technology etc)
5 - Audiologists suck at Mapping
6 - Older implant (maybe in small amount of people?)

Is ALL of them forced by parents? NO. Parents did not have a LOT of information available back then because it was a fairly new technology. CI is NOT for everyone.

Why won't *YOU* do the research? I *know* there's some people that do have issues with their CI, and I do feel bad for them, but I don't judge them.
I know what it is like to have a CI, you don't. You're judging your opinion based on other people's. I respect your opinion that you're against CI in children and maybe adults, but it seems to me that you're looking at the negatives, not the positives. Just don't disrespect OUR decision for getting the implants or parents' implanting their child. That's what America is great for...all about freedom of choices.

Does that mean if I approach you, and I start signing to you and we become friends...after a while, I tell you I have CI, will you not be my friend just because I have CI? That's discrimination, and that's sad you won't be my friend. :-(

RIGHT ON

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySekhmet

Read Jillo's post...it did mention CI in there.

Plus - I know you support NAD...how many members do you think have CI? How many board members do you think have CI? How many pageant contestants do you think have CI? Plus, if you support NAD, that means you support their positions about CI.

CI is just a tool, a technology, a device. That's all there is to it.

I couldn't have said better CI are a tool, technology, a device when use with the right support could help with developing speech.

**shel90** · 02-15-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

Again do you understand how children develop language and that if a child is implant when he is older he will not be able to learn at the level of a child who is implant say around 1 or 2 years old.

Another misconception...

Children without implants can acquire language regardless of what age they are. the 2 year old that I met has a language level of a 3 year old and she has no implants.

jillio · 02-15-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

Again do you understand how children develop language and that if a child is implant when he is older he will not be able to learn at the level of a child who is implant say around 1 or 2 years old.

That is not true. Language does not have to be spoken.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Another misconception...

Children without implants can acquire language regardless of what age they are. the 2 year old that I met has a language level of a 3 year old and she has no implants.

I was talking about oral language for a child with a profound hearing loss.

jillio · 02-15-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

YOU DON'T KNOW. I live with 2 teenage deaf children that have implants. They love their implants. I work in field that I am always in contact with adults that have implants. I am not sure where you are hiding and where you find your info but open your eyes and realize that there people that love their implant that they think their implants are miracles. I know that there are people that hate their implants. I feel sorry for you living in your little not seeing the world for what it is some people love their implant and some do not.

There is no need to insult Galaxy Angel. She is entitled to her opinion.

**shel90** · 02-15-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

I was talking about oral language for a child with a profound hearing loss.

If so, then how were many of us who have profound hearing losses were able to develop good oral skills without implants? Just wondering cuz the saying is now that because of implants deaf children can develop oral language as if it never happened before. We all know that is not the case so I am wondering why.

jillio · 02-15-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If so, then how were many of us who have profound hearing losses were able to develop good oral skills without implants? Just wondering cuz the saying is now that because of implants deaf children can develop oral language as if it never happened before. We all know that is not the case so I am wondering why.

I was wondering the same thing, shel.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If so, then how were many of us who have profound hearing losses were able to develop good oral skills without implants? Just wondering cuz the saying is now that because of implants deaf children can develop oral language as if it never happened before. We all know that is not the case so I am wondering why.

While I understand that many profoundly deaf people develop oral skills the difference between you and my chidlren are that my children are able to talk on the phone, they are to understand conversation even if their backs are turned, they are able to hear me calling them even if they are outside or in another room. I am not saying that this is better then what you can do but it is more in this sense then what you can do.

jackiesolorzano · 02-15-2008, 07:42 PM

I give respect to people who give me respect if you do not show me respect then I will not show you respect nor will allow myself to argue a point with someone because then what happens is that I without meaning to begin to be disrespectful to people I shouldn't.

jillio · 02-15-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

While I understand that many profoundly deaf people develop oral skills the difference between you and my chidlren are that my children are able to talk on the phone, they are to understand conversation even if their backs are turned, they are able to hear me calling them even if they are outside or in another room. I am not saying that this is better then what you can do but it is more in this sense then what you can do.

Here we go again. It is neither better nor more.

**shel90** · 02-15-2008, 08:36 PM

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

jillio · 02-15-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

And they wonder where the anger comes from?

loml · 02-15-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

shel90- Myself, I would not choose to use the word more, but opportunities are different. The opportunites for my children are different than the ones that I had. For me, it is the world evolving.

Because people choose different paths does not mean that they do not respect each others choices.

flip · 02-16-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

*sighs*

No wonder we have people in the Deaf comunity who hate CIs...we r being told that people with CIs have more opportunies, speak better, can do more, and are not isolated than us. It is like the medical field and oral only approaches totally screwed us up and telling us we r f$#cked up for life because we can't hear??? Not just here on AD but out here...come on..where is the respect for deaf people and ASL??

Spot on.. It's sad to see how some hearing people are led into beliving that those skills are new to deaf people, while deaf people have mastered this stuff for decades without CI. Also the importance of listening with the back to the speaker is a so so skill and somewhat useless in the real world. What impresses most of deaf people I know, raised orally or not, is a piece of stunning new skool ASL poetry.

flip · 02-16-2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by loml

shel90- Myself, I would not choose to use the word more, but opportunities are different. The opportunites for my children are different than the ones that I had. For me, it is the world evolving.

Because people choose different paths does not mean that they do not respect each others choices.

Why this need to speak on behalf of a group of people that you do not belong to?

rick48 · 02-16-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Hmm.. I just went to NAD webiste and type in their search feature - cochlear implant and I can't find anything that they support what you said.
Nor could I.

I knew it..

Unbelievable.. rick48 is lying teeth..

Where is it hard proof that NAD is support 100% for CI..

I'm laughing on the floor.. at you Rick48.
What afraid your answer..
Your throat getting big GULPING..

I understandable.. you shaking your pant!

I was going to respond but I realize that niether I not anyone else can do a better job of exposing how bias and ridiculous you are than you do yourself.

**shel90** · 02-16-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by loml

shel90- Myself, I would not choose to use the word more, but opportunities are different. The opportunites for my children are different than the ones that I had. For me, it is the world evolving.

Because people choose different paths does not mean that they do not respect each others choices.

Well, out there the word "more" is constantly being used and many of us in the Deaf community are constantly reminded of that. Even here on AD in some posts too. The issue is not how the wording should be changed but the attitudes and views that are out there.

jillio · 02-16-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Well, out there the word "more" is constantly being used and many of us in the Deaf community are constantly reminded of that. Even here on AD in some posts too. The issue is not how the wording should be changed but the attitudes and views that are out there.

Exactly. It is the attitude that is portrayed through the words. Changing the words doesn't change the attitude. The hearing community already tried that once by getting very politically correct and changing "deaf/hoh"to "hearing impaired." The hearing community thought it was a less offensive term, but failed to realize that the old attitude still came shining through.

**Cheri** · 02-16-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jackiesolorzano

they think their implants are miracles.

How could cochlear implants be a miracle? they're only hearing devices. I have never seen a deaf person would say "My hearing aids is a miracle"

A miracle would be having hearing without the use of a device.

That's just my opinion.

vallee · 02-16-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

How could cochlear implants be a miracle? they're only hearing devices. I have never seen a deaf person would say "My hearing aids is a miracle"

A miracle would be having hearing without the use of a device.

That's just my opinion.

good posting

**shel90** · 02-16-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

How could cochlear implants be a miracle? they're only hearing devices. I have never seen a deaf person would say "My hearing aids is a miracle"

A miracle would be having hearing without the use of a device.

That's just my opinion.

My hearing aids are a miracle!! WOW! Just being silly here.

Good point, Cheri.

jillio · 02-16-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

How could cochlear implants be a miracle? they're only hearing devices. I have never seen a deaf person would say "My hearing aids is a miracle"

A miracle would be having hearing without the use of a device.

That's just my opinion.

GalaxyAngel · 02-16-2008, 12:00 PM

jackiesolorzano,
Pay attention.. read scroll up.. I've already made statement to LadySekhmet as my respond. Did I critiztie teenager?
Look it again..
I'm not here repeat to you..
*sigh*
Seems you shove fill up the full dirty into my mouth! I ain't here to debate w/you.
I'm trying to point of view as my concern.

CI isn't magic as same thing hearing aid.
Exactly Cheri made good point her statement. What make the difference?

and also you cannot face con vs pro ?
I'm here raise up speak out my voice and trying to make point but seems you doesn't want to hear feedback. Fine by me then.. Whatever you say.. CI is always right..

Sure~:sure: whatever you say..

Update: My older son have little hearing loss his left ear. I did ask my son, Do you willing Cochlear Implant? He respond me, Heck no, why should I have those? and doesn't want to have ci on his head making me look uglier something stick on it.. I was kinda little laughing him.. but nothing can I say more.. He's making a joke.. really serious he's getting little hearing loss..
He is proud ASL but still rusty his sign languages and understand Deaf Culture for!

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GalaxyAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,626	jackiesolorzano, Pay attention.. read scroll up.. I've already made statement to LadySekhmet as my respond. Did I critiztie teenager? Look it again.. I'm not here repeat to you.. sigh Seems you shove fill up the full dirty into my mouth! I ain't here to debate w/you. I'm trying to point of view as my concern. CI isn't magic as same thing hearing aid. Exactly Cheri made good point her statement. What make the difference? and also you cannot face con vs pro ? I'm here raise up speak out my voice and trying to make point but seems you doesn't want to hear feedback. Fine by me then.. Whatever you say.. CI is always right.. Sure~:sure: whatever you say.. Update: My older son have little hearing loss his left ear. I did ask my son, Do you willing Cochlear Implant? He respond me, Heck no, why should I have those? and doesn't want to have ci on his head making me look uglier something stick on it.. I was kinda little laughing him.. but nothing can I say more.. He's making a joke.. really serious he's getting little hearing loss.. He is proud ASL but still rusty his sign languages and understand Deaf Culture for! __________________ Parent's proud our children.

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jackiesolorzano Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,012	I give respect to people who give me respect if you do not show me respect then I will not show you respect nor will allow myself to argue a point with someone because then what happens is that I without meaning to begin to be disrespectful to people I shouldn't.