jillio

I will look for the link to the research I referenced. Sorry about the delay...I've had a hectic couple of days and haven't been on line much. The book sounds like a good resource, too. I haven't read it, but will certainly add it to my list.

I think that one thing that keeps getting overlooked in these discussions is that speech therapy is an adjunct service, not a part of the academic curriculum. Just because the curriculum is taught in an oral manner does not imply that speech therapy is a part of the academic curriculum. When we speak of education, we are referring to academic curriculum. Delivering classroom material in an oral mode of language does not mean that lessons in speech are inherent. Additionally, a classroom is a receptive environment. What we need to be concerned with is not how well a child can speak, but how well they are able to receive information in the classroom from an oral base. The level of speaking skill is not necessarily correlated to the level of reception skill. Being able to speak well does not improve academic functioning. Being able to receive and comprehend the information being presented is the key to improved academic functioning. The teacher's job is to get the information in, not to provide speech therapy.

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doubletrouble

While this may be true for some, I know that personally, my son's speech services are really language services. THere is no focus on his speech at all- only language and his comprehension ....My private speech therapist as well as the school therapist work in coordination with the teacher and her lessons. Any words that are abstract, they will review with my son and find him concrete examples ...To us, it's a safety net if he misses something, and the TOD doesn't catch it... we have this... My son has not received "speech" since he was 5 years old.. no need.. now it's our focus on his language and his comprehension of it.

jillio

That is more of a whole language approach, and one that is much more beneficial than speech therapy. I wonder, though, how much more beneficial it would be to focus on a whole language approach even prior to those children reaching school age, rather than a speech skills approach birth -5, and language after age 5. This is where the gaps seem to lie.

Likewise, if information was being presented in a conceptual manner in the classroom, would the remedical vocab work really be necessary?

Not arguing...simply asking for your views.

jillio

Unfortuantely, that is exactly what it would involve.

shel90

I agree but unfortunately my oral deaf ed teachers, regular ed teachers, audis and speech therapists took my good speech as a sign of having the ability to understand what is being said around me most of the time. It was the total opposite. I spent so much time counting the patterns on the ceiling and on the walls during class. Heck, I even memorized all the Presidents in my History class. What a great lesson I learned throughout the whole year, huh?

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jackiesolorzano

You are right people keep talking speech therapy. My children stop receiving speech therapy in school when they were kindergarten. The way I learned about the type of program you have going for your son is the top down. You only need a speech therapist when you are correcting an arti issue but with a lot CI kids you do not need to go this route.

jillio

Your story could be repeated by untold nuimbers of deaf children restricted to an oral only environment. In fact, it has been, on this forum alone.

jillio

So, CI kids develop perfect articulation just as the result of being implanted? And perfect articulation is equal to perfect comprehension? And if so, why is remedial work necessary?

flip

This does not make sense when observing all those deaf children with speech issues, even if they was implanted early and exposured to AVT.

Can you document this statement you are making here?

flip

I discovered that, too. Thailand, Japan, Taiwan, China and some of the other countries in the far east are truly inaccessible through the net if one don't know their written codes So this rumor is to me yet to be confirmed or rejected.

loml

originally posted by jillio

jillio - Found that link yet?

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jillio

Do you see it posted?

jillio

You are welcome to read the information posted at the following:

http://www.teachersandfamilies.com/s...-biling.htmlre

During the last two decades bilingual-bicultural education programs (programs which recognize that children may come from a different culture and speak a different language in the home than in the school) have flourished in the United States as the ethnic composition of children attending public schools has become more diverse. In the late 1980's discussion of bilingual-bicultural education for children who are Deaf brought about new theories. (A capital D is used by bilingual-bicultural programs to identify deafness as a cultural, rather than a medical, issue.) According to Schirmer (1994) "the impetus for implementing bilingual-bicultural programs for children who are deaf comes from two sources: (1) The Deaf community, who advocate for the right to pass on their language and culture to succeeding generations; (2) the overall disappointing achievement of youngsters who are deaf. (p. 98) Althoughsmall gains have been made in the levels of reading achieved by the average child who is deaf, overall achievement remains considerably lower compared to their hearing peers despite ardent attempts to teach Deaf children through Total Communication (see ERIC Digest E559) and oral approaches (see ERIC Digest E551).

Addditional impetus for bilingual-bicultural programs comes from Sweden, where, in 1981, after years of grassroots activism by Deaf adults and parents of children who are Deaf, the Swedish Parliament passed a law stating that people who are Deaf need to be bilingual in order to function successfully in the family, school, and society (Mahshie, 1995). What does it mean to be bilingual-bicultural?


Or here:

Changes in Teacher Education Curriculum in Sweden | DEAF-INFO

Or here:

Reading Education for Hearing Impaired and Deaf Individuals

Or here:

Gallaudet Research Institute (GRI)- PVD Chair of Deaf Studies

Or here:

Literary Studies in English for the Deaf | Stockholm Challenge

That should keep you busy for awhile.

shel90

Good for the Swedens !!!

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jillio

Yeah. They are really very progressive in their philosophies toward Deaf Ed and social policies.

I wonder.....how many of the oral only and TC proponents read the links I provided?

shel90

I hope they take the time to read the links cuz they support what we have been trying to explain how important it is to build a strong first language that is 100% accessible to deaf children and use that to learn a 2nd language/develop higher literacy skills in English or any other language for that matter.

We have been here for 2 years and I feel that many still discredit us or call us anti-CI..whatever.

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jillio

And those that attempt to discredit us don't bother to read the research and the studies that we are citing, nor do they provide research to back their position. They just call names and make unfounded accusations.

shel90

Since this thread is about respect for all so if they want respect for all, then they should apply it to themselves too.

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jillio

Unfortunately, that rarely occurs.

CrzyMeg

Yeah that was true. I know.

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jasin

I respect your decision, but read my post below. Please read about my own personal expierences.

jasin

Now as for myself, I have to say oralism and ear surgeries was the worst things I ever expierenced. I spent 6 years in speech therapy because they could not understand why I was unable to talk properly. They failed to understand that I was deaf and the only things I was hearing was with residual hearing.

Latter on they learnt that I was deaf and they ended up expiermenting on me trying to figure out why I was unable to properly hear. At one point in their expiermenting they stuck metal rods in my ears taking pictures of it trying to see what they could fix. It was the worst thing I ever expierenced in my life.

They spent years studying my ears trying to fix me and after 15 different ear surgeries I end up just becoming hard of hearing and adventually to where I am now, deaf again.


I have attributed all my failures in life to all of that. These expierences were very traumatic and as a result I never learnt, as strange as it may sound, how to be deaf. I never learnt any of our languages, sign languages, or our deaf culture.

So for myself, from my own personal expierences, I have to disgaree with oralism and trying to fix a deaf people.

Miss-Delectable

I agree. But what do they know about respecting people who doesn't agree with them and actually had the temerity to demand our respect? *scoff*

Off topic, somewhat, I wonder why America, UK, Australia and others doesn't adopt Sweden's philosophy for the deaf. The irony is Sweden has been practicing this philosophy for over 20 years and rather successfully.

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shel90

Because the audists want to keep full control of Deaf education and keep it their way.

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Miss-Delectable

One of those days we'll kick the audists out into the cold and take back control of deaf education. It might not happen now, but later.

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jasin

Its the deaf people, us, who are messing up deaf culture, deaf education, and everything else to do with deafness.

shel90

Huh? Deaf people messed up Deaf culture, deaf education and everything else? Can you explain more because I am not understanding what you mean.

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jasin

Oh, I could make a whole list of things us deaf people do that is messing all this up.

Deafies who wont accept you as deaf or as a part of the deaf world if you are hard of hearing; even though, some hard of hearing are more deaf then some deaf. It happens all the time at deaf events. I see it at nearly every deaf event there is.

Heads of deaf events who expect you to bow to them and their demands whatever they may be. Many wont even talk to their fellow deafies unless they approve. I see it all the time!! They like to act high and mighty and better then everyone else.

Asl nazis who are deaf that wont even accept you as deaf if you don't sign 100% perfect or correct. They will reject you, ignore you, not even look at you, etc.. its happened to me personally many times. They ignore the fact that some deafs are still learning, some have disabilties, and some are just human .. not perfect and prone to making messing up.

Oral nazis who are deaf that try an force oralism on you and mandate there is only one way of communicating.. Speech, talk, voice, etc. They have infused this into our deaf schools and now have schools that don't even teach our language or other languages.

Tousi

As in any group, there are "camps" and this is probably as it should be---choices of lifestyle; HOWEVER, when it comes to education, I think all of these "camps" within the culture have to have BILINGUALISM as the rallying cry, the central theme in the push for it. Thing of it is, that day of reckoning has been delayed by the hearing folks up in their ivory tower and by the extreme elements within these deaf "camps".

jasin

Thats fine, but when these things divide us, separate us, etc.. it destroys our educational systems and our culture.