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Cochlear implantation and cued speech internationally
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Try to convince those who believe that children with CIs should be in a strictly oral-only environment to adopt this approach.
So many approaches so many tools.. ASL is a language English is a language TC is a tool Signed English is a code Cued speech is a tool Sim-Com is a code What else??? hmmm...how much more complicated can it get for deaf people and children?
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IOML, thanks for the article..
"How can we ensure that implanted children reach their potential? Research and case studies from Europe and America suggest that the early and constant use of Cued Speech by family members and professionals can significantly improve the children's ability to benefit from the implant. " I can vouch for that. Lotte (and we) benefitted much from the signlanguage that she knew before she got CI. BTW Shel.... "Try to convince those who believe that children with CIs should be in a strictly oral-only environment to adopt this approach." must be about people you meet in your professional life. I have not encountered them in any messageboard I have visited..
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Well, would love to read about those statistics.... where did you get that from ?? Any chance on charing some more information ??
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It seems to me that with cued speech, one advantage is that it's very easy and fast for a hearing parent to pick up, whereas with sign language it takes a great deal of commitment and regular immersion to get to a fluent level quickly. It would require a massive shift in lifestyle to achieve it i.e. spending lots of time in a deaf club to allow the child access to native or fluent sign. What would be your suggestion from a social policy point of view to overcome those practical difficulties when there are givens such as most parents are often busy with work, other kids, find it difficult to transition to a new culture, find it hard to pick up a new language etc. I know you might personally feel that if the parents are not prepared to do all the hard work they are selfish, but a social policy maker has to make decisions based on the givens.
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There are reams of research and studies that show that deaf of deaf more closely approximate the academic achievement of their hearing peers. And yes, the reason is obvious. No language delays, and deaf of deaf are exposed to signing from birth. That facillitates their learning of English. If you are truly interested in reading these studies in order to expand your knowlege abase, I will be more than happy to provide you with the information on where to locate them. If, however, that was an attempt at sarcasm, I will not bother. Let me know which it is.
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My friend visited there last year. I will try to remember to ask her about the Deaf community there being neutral about CIs.
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Would love to read one of those studies. Can you start a new thread with it?
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If USA had the same approach as Sweden, deaf community would still look at it from their own angle.... Main difference between Sweden and USA is how healthcare is set up... That makes the difference, and makes it possible for such a high percentage of deaf children with (bi-lateral) CI.... Same for Norway....
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Great,
Can you send me some articles regarding "Deaf of deaf still achieve the highest literacy rates of all the groups. " A title and the abstract will be fine as well, but the complete article would be great! Thanks
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Correct, like in Norway where learning to communicate with your childe and exposure to other deaf people is stimulated... But still, what percentage still choose for CI for their child????
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As I have stated num,erous times, cloggy, CI is not the issue. The assumption the a CI will allow a child to function the same way academically and socially as a hearing child is the issue for me. The children who perform best with CI are those exposed to both sign and speech in both their academic and social environments (marshark, et. al. 2005)
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"Why is Cued Speech so successful? Hearing people use their knowledge of the sounds of English when they learn to cue. Deaf children brought up with Cued Speech work in the opposite way. They acquire an internal model of sound-based English through Cued Speech - even if they can't hear it. Once the implant gives them access to speech sounds these can be plotted onto the model of sound-based English they have already internalised. Belgian research - and many case studies - demonstrates that children brought up with Cued Speech can think in sound-based language.(4) It is this visual access to sound-based language that enables a deaf child to acquire an understanding of spoken language without delay pre-implant and also uniquely primes the child for the acquisition of spoken language when it becomes available post implant. As Jane Smith, with her 20 years experience, said: `Cued Speech helps clarify and verify what is heard; it actually accelerates the learning of language and listening' " |
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And clarifying and verifying is what it it most suited to, as an adjuct to lipreading and not as a method of language acquisition. Internalization of langauge is what is neccesary, and if a child has been exposed to sign early on, andthus internalized the concept of language, that will facilitate the learning of a second language such as English. |
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btw... is that the article without the title.....? I can find marshark, et. al. 2001, 2007, 1994 and 1998, but no 2005.... Can you be more specific? What I am wondering about, is not if they can reach the same level, or achieve higher levels compared to speech only, I am interested in - how many children without CI are left behind. What, instead of comparing children that made it through school and highschool; comparing deaf children with CI and deaf children without CI and see how many have get to a certain level. The question is.... What percentage of hearing children, deaf children with CI and deaf children without CI make it to a certain educational level..
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Great remark! Not related to my post, but "soi". (sure I said "signlangage...)
CS is not even a language - I heared.
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How does it have an advantage over ASL if deaf children of deaf parents are able to achieve literacy skills in English?
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For many d/Deaf people..
Oral method does not work for many d/Deaf people! Signs have been used by hearing babies before they could learn to speak! Making deaf babies wear cochlear implants just to learn a language by "hearing" it is ridiculous! There is something wrong with the picture. Hearing sign, deaf speak?
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.... so in short, without you trying to avoid answering the question, your reference to "Marshark 2005" was just bogus....
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I recall that children raised with cued speech and later CI had the highest scores.. (cloggy, et. al. 2007)
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Full support, and information from the government organisations. Signlanguage has a high status. CS is not even heared of over here..
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