You cannot hear with CI .. ?? - Page 6

jillio · 04-21-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Capmeister

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A deaf person can't be a writer? Cow cookies.

I don't understand telling any child they have this or that limitation--what's wrong with trying things and seeing how they work out?

If you can learn to lose some bad habits, you can do it. Really, all writing is about unlearning some bad habits that are common and a lot of practice. But I understanding being afraid to try and fearing rejection... but you should maybe just write for your own enjoyment if you like it.

I'll never get past my BA in Journalism--just don't want to take the time or spend the money, but it doesn't stop me from reading and learning, and I'd bet anything the same is true of you.

Many people go through life in a state of intellectual inertia. So long as you're not doing that, you don't need degrees or whatever. You just need to keep thinking.

Great post. I hate it when I hear a child has been told they can't do something simply because they are deaf.

rockdrummer · 04-21-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

This is why I have a big distrust of specialist or teachers who think they know what's best for deaf people without really knowing ASL, deaf culture or dont have deaf ed/studies training background. They really do not understand deaf people and the fact we are capable to do anything. Now, it seems like they view that all deaf people will do better if they have auditory function..they dont even realize that deaf people do just fine without it and without learning how to speak/lipread.

I hope that nowadays folks in the busniss of teaching our children are qualified to do so. I can't believe a qualified instructor would suggest that you couldn't become a writer because you are deaf. You wouldn't be able to write effectivly to the majority if you didn't learn english literacy. Being deaf has nothing to do with it. To the portion I bolded, I would imagine that type of person would in fact have difficulty in terms of communication with the hearing population. Or they resort to writing stuff down which I hear from many deafies is a pain. It seems that the alternatives are somewhat limited.

Capmeister · 04-21-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Great post. I hate it when I hear a child has been told they can't do something simply because they are deaf.

My brother was only ever told "you can do anything but hear." Perhaps that's why his first degree was in English and he DID plan on becoming a writer. (I told him saying you want to work as a profressional writer full time is like saying "I want to be a rock star" and is very hard and he should work on writing part time and then once he breaks in see if he can do it full time. What he found out was that he didn't enjoy writing so much as the ideas he had to write about. Happens a lot--people want to "have written" without actually learning all there is about writing.

As good a writer as he was/is, he wasn't professionally polished. I told him I'd teach him... but he ended up realizing it wasn't really for him. He ended up going into education instead, and I gotta say, it seems like his calling.

I, for one, am happy to see another deaf teacher who will tell his students: "You can do anything but hear."

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I hope that nowadays folks in the busniss of teaching our children are qualified to do so. I can't believe a qualified instructor would suggest that you couldn't become a writer because you are deaf. You wouldn't be able to write effectivly to the majority if you didn't learn english literacy. Being deaf has nothing to do with it. To the portion I bolded, I would imagine that type of person would in fact have difficulty in terms of communication with the hearing population. Or they resort to writing stuff down which I hear from many deafies is a pain. It seems that the alternatives are somewhat limited.

I know and I understand that so what I mean was it is not the end of the world if their children were unable to develop speech and lipreadin/listening skills. Some people think that the deaf children r doomed if they don't develop oral skills but as long as they develop proficiency in language, they r capable of living full lives. I don't use my oral skills much anymore and I am living a full and rich life. My brother has no oral skills and he is happy with his life as a professional and homeowner.

Yes writing on paper is a pain but with today's technology, many workplaces have emails so can use that. Of course it wud be easier to be a hearing and seeing person who has full use of their bodies but people in wheelchairs, blind or whatever do find ways around barriers and live their lives to the fullest potential. If people keep telling them they need to see, hear or walk, their lives would be better but to say that to people can cause unhappiness or depression. Instead, people should realize and accept that it is ok to be different. I don't pity people who r blind or in wheelchairs unless they pity themselves.

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I hope that nowadays folks in the busniss of teaching our children are qualified to do so. I can't believe a qualified instructor would suggest that you couldn't become a writer because you are deaf. You wouldn't be able to write effectivly to the majority if you didn't learn english literacy. Being deaf has nothing to do with it. To the portion I bolded, I would imagine that type of person would in fact have difficulty in terms of communication with the hearing population. Or they resort to writing stuff down which I hear from many deafies is a pain. It seems that the alternatives are somewhat limited.

I know and I understand that so what I mean was it is not the end of the world if the deaf children were unable to develop speech and lipreadin/listening skills. Some people think that the deaf children r doomed if they don't develop oral skills but as long as they develop proficiency in language, they r capable of living full lives. I don't use my oral skills much anymore and I am living a full and rich life. My brother has no oral skills and he is happy with his life as a professional and homeowner. If the deaf children don't develop proficency in language especially in reading and writing then life will be very difficult. I would rather the children develop language proficency than learn how to "normally" communicate with hearing people. I just see differently from most hearing people cuz I have lived through both kinds of livestyles and I probably will always will.

Yes writing on paper is a pain but with today's technology, many workplaces have emails so can use that. Of course it wud be easier to be a hearing and seeing person who has full use of their bodies but people in wheelchairs, blind or whatever do find ways around barriers and live their lives to the fullest potential. If people keep telling them they need to see, hear or walk, their lives would be better but to say that to people can cause unhappiness or depression. Instead, people should realize and accept that it is ok to be different. I don't pity people who r blind or in wheelchairs unless they pity themselves.

Boult · 04-21-2007, 05:15 PM

hmmmmm

jillio · 04-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Capmeister

My brother was only ever told "you can do anything but hear." Perhaps that's why his first degree was in English and he DID plan on becoming a writer. (I told him saying you want to work as a profressional writer full time is like saying "I want to be a rock star" and is very hard and he should work on writing part time and then once he breaks in see if he can do it full time. What he found out was that he didn't enjoy writing so much as the ideas he had to write about. Happens a lot--people want to "have written" without actually learning all there is about writing.

As good a writer as he was/is, he wasn't professionally polished. I told him I'd teach him... but he ended up realizing it wasn't really for him. He ended up going into education instead, and I gotta say, it seems like his calling.

I, for one, am happy to see another deaf teacher who will tell his students: "You can do anything but hear."

And I as well!!!!

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Great post. I hate it when I hear a child has been told they can't do something simply because they are deaf.

Yea I know...I wish I knew better when I was a kid. Even when I graduated from high school, my VR counselor asked me what career I wanted to pursue and I said Interior designer and she said it wasn't an ideal career for a deaf person. Again, that crushed my self esteem. If I knew what I know now, I would have told all of those non-believers to kiss my deaf ass. LOL!

Sweetmind · 04-21-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shelb90 I know and I understand that so what I mean was it is not the end of the world if the deaf children were unable to develop speech and lipreadin/listening skills. Some people think that the deaf children r doomed if they don't develop oral skills but as long as they develop proficiency in language, they r capable of living full lives. I don't use my oral skills much anymore and I am living a full and rich life. My brother has no oral skills and he is happy with his life as a professional and homeowner. If the deaf children don't develop proficency in language especially in reading and writing then life will be very difficult. I would rather the children develop language proficency than learn how to "normally" communicate with hearing people. I just see differently from most hearing people cuz I have lived through both kinds of livestyles iand I probably will always will.

Bingo! Thank you very much for saying it. Now think hard to look back to this life of Martha Vineyard, Deaf and Hearing people have no problem and dont treat each other from the bittered negative attitude about our deafness. I am very sure there are no hearing devices at all. Hearing people dont even think about our deafness while they mingled each other every day. Everybody spoke their hands to each other that works out so well. Thats positive reinforcement that I want it back into our lives again. No more excuses!

It s all about business to make $$$$$$$$$$$ power, control and power over our deafness. Whats more hearing people refused to work with us from a start since they are still having an attitude toward Deaf people in this society. So what is so good about hearing device after all we dont hear everything? It is just not making any sense to me anymore.

(I hope it works with italics and black bold on your comment that I want to point that out.) That's the problem in today's world that we are still struggled not to have a good English written or orally speaking to be perfect as they are expecting us to do for years without ASL and Signed English not SEE as BI BI languages. Thats how I see what's the point for us to have the enforcement for us to hear and speak for their hearing s sake after all they made too many mistakes for years and years. I feel why should I allowed them to conform or manipulate or force me to do this and that is not a great idea to have those dysfunctional issues in our deafness that they did created to make it look like it s US Deafies. It is very offensive to me and many Deaf children. So what s their excuse!

That 's a big turn off in a big time on the adveristment board to be shown.

I just cant believe people are tolerating this kind of attitude and abusive behaviors to be continued that is not a good change at all. Thats why I am very outspoken about this in a big time that bothers me for a long time. Guess what it s no different from Sexual abuse 's attitude as well as of hoping that you understand what I am trying to say.

Peace!

Capmeister · 04-21-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Yea I know...I wish I knew better when I was a kid. Even when I graduated from high school, my VR counselor asked me what career I wanted to pursue and I said Interior designer and she said it wasn't an ideal career for a deaf person. Again, that crushed my self esteem. If I knew what I know now, I would have told all of those non-believers to kiss my deaf ass. LOL!

Wait... why does someone need to be hearing for that? Basically, anything that might cause you to communicate with someone was out?!?! So, what, the deaf should just dig ditches?

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Capmeister

Wait... why does someone need to be hearing for that? Basically, anything that might cause you to communicate with someone was out?!?! So, what, the deaf should just dig ditches?

She said that interior designers will need to communicate with their clients so often and that it is all about making a name out of myself. It was almost 20 years ago when that happened...I wish I never listened but I had no self confidence at all and I believed that hearing people knew better than me on how the world worked. It was from years of getting my opinions or suggestions being thrown out and people telling me that I dont know enough cuz I am deaf. The only time people really respected me and my intelligence was during sports or my art teachers.

Sweetmind · 04-21-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio
Great post. I hate it when I hear a child has been told they can't do something simply because they are deaf.

YES YES!!!!! Thats very correct, Thats what it tiggers me so much about this statement that you said it all along because the extremists of deaf oralism and latened deaf people with a very negative attitude, hearing parents or hearing people kept telling me that I cant I cant because I m deaf or must not allowed for being deaf. I wish I knew at this time that I could have told them off that I can do it anything except hear or with / wo orally speaking. PAH! I have a chance to express my true inner soul that makes me so blunt for many good reasons after all they dont understand it at all. The reason is that they dont read it very well or understand the concept of language on both sides. DAMN artificial languages that I must say it aloud, no matter you like it or not! Sighs! I lost the half of my life because they messed up with my emotional and mental conditions all those childhood years that is total wrong of them doing it to these Deaf children from a start. Sighs!

Thanks for bring this up.

Sweetmind · 04-21-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shel90 Yea I know...I wish I knew better when I was a kid. Even when I graduated from high school, my VR counselor asked me what career I wanted to pursue and I said Interior designer and she said it wasn't an ideal career for a deaf person. Again, that crushed my self esteem. If I knew what I know now, I would have told all of those non-believers to kiss my deaf ass. LOL!

PAH! I have a chance to express my true inner soul that makes me so blunt for many good reasons after all they dont understand it at all with their own disrespectful and degradation toward someone s comment. The reason is that they dont read it very well or understand the concept of language on both sides. DAMN artificial languages is sux by hearing's domniation over Deaf 's vision language that I must say it aloud, no matter you like it or not! Sighs! I lost the half of my life because of it.

Now I am getting older and burned out from all that oppression/second class citizen discrimination for years. No one knows what I went through that people have no right to disrespect toward me. So it s quite very hard for me to get full recovery however I am doing the best I can give many positive reinforcement on many issues as I did it for a long long time. No one appreciate or respect for who I am and my rights to be who I am or my own true thoughts and feelings through my Deaf eyes.

I dont really see there is a good change that they are still wanting to use ORAL METHOD RULES as always that is a must to hear, oral speaking and no sign language in Deaf child 's lives for their sakes because they dont have a good feeling about or respect a Deaf baby from a start. It s still Hearing domination that runs your life and wont allow you for who you are that is totally wrongdoing by AUDISM people in this world. That is a very prejudicial in hearing world only. Thats what it tiggers me why should I kiss their AUDISM 's ass after all they dont have any respect for any of us from a start. Come on, wake up and stop this crapola to conform those Deaf children into a Hearing child. Sighs!

Why should we are bargining with them all along that I could not understand this anymore? After all we have our human rights for who we are from a start. Also, we Deafies have the rights to live in this diverse world as well as we are being punished for being deaf and have the plight of Deaf people for years and years.

These are A BIG MIXED FEELINGS and MESSAGES to these Deaf children that they taught them to be mixed it all up in their Deaf's mind, body , and true inner soul. Thats total degradation of our natural abilities and adaptation that is all to it. I feel that it s none of their business that we are being deaf for a reason. I felt that Medical is the one who causes more damages toward Deaf children's natural sound as usual that is not necessary from a start. At first place, we Deafies do not need to have the Medical Attention all the time if people dont mind. Deafness is not illness or disease at all. Think about it harder before you can say it to me now.

Thats the only reason is that Hearing Domination s rules that runs your Deaf lives. Oh please! Dont tell me I must to do this and that for them not for me. That is dysfunctional behaviour they have. Even though hearing devices are junky thing that damaged everyone s ears that what it tiggers me that Medical professionals/Doctors have the right to damage our Deaf ears that we already are being deaf from a start. It doesnt make any sense to me anymore.

That is how too many deafies are ending up with the dysfunctional life in hearing world that is their intention to do with us in this world anyhow.

This is not diversity yet.

Peace!

************

"Pure and Simple Natural Honest in Total Communication of love bonds between Deaf and Hearing people in this diverse world." Quote Fact of Sweetmind's Beliefs in Natural Method. It tells you that is two ways of street for Hearing and d/Deaf people.

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

YES YES!!!!! Thats very correct, Thats what it tiggers me so much about this statement that you said it all along because the extremists of deaf oralism and latened deaf people with a very negative attitude, hearing parents or hearing people kept telling me that I cant I cant because I m deaf or must not allowed for being deaf. I wish I knew at this time that I could have told them off that I can do it anything except hear or with / wo orally speaking. PAH! I have a chance to express my true inner soul that makes me so blunt for many good reasons after all they dont understand it at all. The reason is that they dont read it very well or understand the concept of language on both sides. DAMN artificial languages that I must say it aloud, no matter you like it or not! Sighs! I lost the half of my life because they messed up with my emotional and mental conditions all those childhood years that is total wrong of them doing it to these Deaf children from a start. Sighs!

Thanks for bring this up.

I agree with u about being able to expressing your true inner soul. I finally got to know my true self when I learned ASL and became involved with the deaf community. It was like I was being freed when all of my life I felt something was missing or felt restrained. I grew up being scared of expressing my thoughts or speaking up for myself because I didnt believe in myself due to many hearing people telling me that I am wrong or I cant do this because of my deafness. I am so happy that I found ASL and the deaf community. I dont mind interacting with the hearing world but not FULL time!!! I need both.

sr171soars · 04-21-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Stimulating the cochlear nerve only allows for perception to occur. Perception and cognitive processing, while interrelated, function independently of each other. Unless a child has been diagnosed and implanted at the time of birth, that child has laready begun to develop the neural pathways that dictate the manner in which they process, on a cognitive level, information available to allow them to make sense of their environment. It really doesn't matter how one casues the auditory function to be stimulated. While one may be more effective than another, both are artificial form of stimulation and are not innate characteristics.

{Dryly} Perception and cognitive processing are obviously different things. I understand what you are saying from the standpoint of neural pathways and I agree with that statement.

There is a distinct difference between what a HA can provide and what a CI can provide in terms of auditory perception. The HA can't overcome the innate distortion already "built in" the auditory processes. The CI can provide a much truer picture for the auditory processes but with one constraint against it...it can't provide as much information as regular hearing. As for this saying they are "artificial" forms of stimulus is plain malarky. A HA simply amplifies for the auditory system what it is incapable of doing for itself. So, where is the artifical aspect of it? More volume? Therefore, it brings a person up to a level of "useful" hearing but due to the distortion factors the percentage of "usefulness" varies greatly from individual to individual. On the other hand, a CI does direct stimulus on the cochlear nerve in the same way as the cochlear hairs do. Thus there is in general more consistency that a CI can provide. The difference is the number of discrete points being stimulated. Nothing artificial there either but just less information. If they came up with a CI that could stimulate approximately some 30,000 cochlear hairs, then one really get totally bogged down in a philosophical exercise "Is it live or is it memorex?". Here you would have no way to back up your statement that it is artificial one wit.

Getting back to the cognitive process bit, it is more than just simply an issue of missing information that is involved. The brain is a superb fourier analysis machine with the ability to overcome some of this. No two people in the world process cognitively the same way regardless of any "built in" limitation or not (sensory or mental). Hate to say this but nobody has a perfect brain nor does anybody have all five senses as perfect either. Get any two normal hearing people together and they learn differently and the same of any to totally deaf people. It is not related to the sensory "per se" but much more related to the mental facilities that utilize the sensory input. This explains more persuasively of why there is such variances in outcomes of any given individual. The best of all outcomes for every individual educationally is tailor made individualized learning environment. Obviously, this will never happen as the cost is enormous and everything we do today would have to be overhauled in ways that boggles the mind. So, we stick to the greatest good the greatest number.

shel90 · 04-21-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

{Dryly} Perception and cognitive processing are obviously different things. I understand what you are saying from the standpoint of neural pathways and I agree with that statement.

There is a distinct difference between what a HA can provide and what a CI can provide in terms of auditory perception. The HA can't overcome the innate distortion already "built in" the auditory processes. The CI can provide a much truer picture for the auditory processes but with one constraint against it...it can't provide as much information as regular hearing. As for this saying they are "artificial" forms of stimulus is plain malarky. A HA simply amplifies for the auditory system what it is incapable of doing for itself. So, where is the artifical aspect of it? More volume? Therefore, it brings a person up to a level of "useful" hearing but due to the distortion factors the percentage of "usefulness" varies greatly from individual to individual. On the other hand, a CI does direct stimulus on the cochlear nerve in the same way as the cochlear hairs do. Thus there is in general more consistency that a CI can provide. The difference is the number of discrete points being stimulated. Nothing artificial there either but just less information. If they came up with a CI that could stimulate approximately some 30,000 cochlear hairs, then one really get totally bogged down in a philosophical exercise "Is it live or is it memorex?". Here you would have no way to back up your statement that it is artificial one wit.

Getting back to the cognitive process bit, it is more than just simply an issue of missing information that is involved. The brain is a superb fourier analysis machine with the ability to overcome some of this. No two people in the world process cognitively the same way regardless of any "built in" limitation or not (sensory or mental). Hate to say this but nobody has a perfect brain nor does anybody have all five senses as perfect either. Get any two normal hearing people together and they learn differently and the same of any to totally deaf people. It is not related to the sensory "per se" but much more related to the mental facilities that utilize the sensory input. This explains more persuasively of why there is such variances in outcomes of any given individual. The best of all outcomes for every individual educationally is tailor made individualized learning environment. Obviously, this will never happen as the cost is enormous and everything we do today would have to be overhauled in ways that boggles the mind. So, we stick to the greatest good the greatest number.

This is exactly why I believe that deaf children should be exposed to both (visual and auditory) languages.

jillio · 04-23-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Bingo! Thank you very much for saying it. Now think hard to look back to this life of Martha Vineyard, Deaf and Hearing people have no problem and dont treat each other from the bittered negative attitude about our deafness. I am very sure there are no hearing devices at all. Hearing people dont even think about our deafness while they mingled each other every day. Everybody spoke their hands to each other that works out so well. Thats positive reinforcement that I want it back into our lives again. No more excuses!

It s all about business to make $$$$$$$$$$$ power, control and power over our deafness. Whats more hearing people refused to work with us from a start since they are still having an attitude toward Deaf people in this society. So what is so good about hearing device after all we dont hear everything? It is just not making any sense to me anymore.

(I hope it works with italics and black bold on your comment that I want to point that out.) That's the problem in today's world that we are still struggled not to have a good English written or orally speaking to be perfect as they are expecting us to do for years without ASL and Signed English not SEE as BI BI languages. Thats how I see what's the point for us to have the enforcement for us to hear and speak for their hearing s sake after all they made too many mistakes for years and years. I feel why should I allowed them to conform or manipulate or force me to do this and that is not a great idea to have those dysfunctional issues in our deafness that they did created to make it look like it s US Deafies. It is very offensive to me and many Deaf children. So what s their excuse!

That 's a big turn off in a big time on the adveristment board to be shown.

I just cant believe people are tolerating this kind of attitude and abusive behaviors to be continued that is not a good change at all. Thats why I am very outspoken about this in a big time that bothers me for a long time. Guess what it s no different from Sexual abuse 's attitude as well as of hoping that you understand what I am trying to say.

Peace!

I'm glad you brought up Martha's Vineyard, Sweetmind. There is a village in Bali, Indonesia that is identical to the community of Martha's Vineyard. Hearing and Deaf live together, everyone signs, and deafness is not viewed as an imapirment or something that needs to be corrected. In fact, they have a saying: "Kolock + inget = masyarakat." Translated, that means, Deaf + hearing = community. Sign is the primary language, and it is not regarded as less important or valuable than oral language. In fact, it is regarded as the base of oral language.

jillio · 04-23-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

YES YES!!!!! Thats very correct, Thats what it tiggers me so much about this statement that you said it all along because the extremists of deaf oralism and latened deaf people with a very negative attitude, hearing parents or hearing people kept telling me that I cant I cant because I m deaf or must not allowed for being deaf. I wish I knew at this time that I could have told them off that I can do it anything except hear or with / wo orally speaking. PAH! I have a chance to express my true inner soul that makes me so blunt for many good reasons after all they dont understand it at all. The reason is that they dont read it very well or understand the concept of language on both sides. DAMN artificial languages that I must say it aloud, no matter you like it or not! Sighs! I lost the half of my life because they messed up with my emotional and mental conditions all those childhood years that is total wrong of them doing it to these Deaf children from a start. Sighs!

Thanks for bring this up.

**nodding agreement** I don't understand how people can see that deaf kids are into their adult years before they are able to even begin developing their identity when they have been raised sithout thier language by birthright, and then say, "We did everything we could for that child". Its just BS, plain and simple.

jillio · 04-23-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

{Dryly} Perception and cognitive processing are obviously different things. I understand what you are saying from the standpoint of neural pathways and I agree with that statement.

There is a distinct difference between what a HA can provide and what a CI can provide in terms of auditory perception. The HA can't overcome the innate distortion already "built in" the auditory processes. The CI can provide a much truer picture for the auditory processes but with one constraint against it...it can't provide as much information as regular hearing. As for this saying they are "artificial" forms of stimulus is plain malarky. A HA simply amplifies for the auditory system what it is incapable of doing for itself. So, where is the artifical aspect of it? More volume? Therefore, it brings a person up to a level of "useful" hearing but due to the distortion factors the percentage of "usefulness" varies greatly from individual to individual. On the other hand, a CI does direct stimulus on the cochlear nerve in the same way as the cochlear hairs do. Thus there is in general more consistency that a CI can provide. The difference is the number of discrete points being stimulated. Nothing artificial there either but just less information. If they came up with a CI that could stimulate approximately some 30,000 cochlear hairs, then one really get totally bogged down in a philosophical exercise "Is it live or is it memorex?". Here you would have no way to back up your statement that it is artificial one wit.

Getting back to the cognitive process bit, it is more than just simply an issue of missing information that is involved. The brain is a superb fourier analysis machine with the ability to overcome some of this. No two people in the world process cognitively the same way regardless of any "built in" limitation or not (sensory or mental). Hate to say this but nobody has a perfect brain nor does anybody have all five senses as perfect either. Get any two normal hearing people together and they learn differently and the same of any to totally deaf people. It is not related to the sensory "per se" but much more related to the mental facilities that utilize the sensory input. This explains more persuasively of why there is such variances in outcomes of any given individual. The best of all outcomes for every individual educationally is tailor made individualized learning environment. Obviously, this will never happen as the cost is enormous and everything we do today would have to be overhauled in ways that boggles the mind. So, we stick to the greatest good the greatest number.

It isn't malarky. If it has been provided by the medical community as a form of compensation and was not a naturally occuring sensory fuction in the idividual, it is artificial. Just as artificial insemination results in a real live baby, it is still an artificially assisted conception.

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