SxyPorkie

you are completely right...I wonder if Fragmenter knows all ASL and facial expressions that are required,,, oh SHEESH !!!!

Thanks...
SxyPorkie

Deafness

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SxyPorkie

I did read all of your writings... It seems you are very much against deafies even tho your daughter is deaf and you are in the form of child abuse got your daughter implanted with CI,,,, it is really sad!!!!

no one including deafies and hearings have written perfect English!!!!

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie

Cloggy

All of them... So you are the one that did that.

Against deafies.... No.

So you real all of my posts, and still you don't get it.

You know there's a difference between "reading" and "understanding".

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ayala920

The information below is an excerpt from The Gallaudet Research Institute's website:

For the 17-year-olds and the 18-year-olds in the deaf and hard of hearing student norming sample, the median Reading Comprehension subtest score corresponds to about a 4.0 grade level for hearing students. That means that half of the deaf and hard of hearing students at that age scored above the typical hearing student at the beginning of fourth grade, and half scored below. The "median" is the 50th percentile, and is one of the ways to express an average, or typical, score. (A "mean" score, or arithmetic average, is not the same as the median.)

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"Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant."

Fragmenter

I learned ASL from birth.

Read my posts before you make a fool out of yourself.

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Cloggy

She only read my posts I guess.....

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Sweetmind

Now you see my bold quote from Harlen Lane. Thats what I meant by this, people should change their attitude and accept to learn ASL, no matter whether you like it or not. Their parents are not deaf and need to be openminded about their Deaf children's alternatives and Deaf Literature and many more that relates in ASL before forcing or conforming them because they are ignorant and believe everything that audists and CI radical people say while they dont have very positive outlooks that we Deaf people can do anything except hear that involves ASL itself. Scoffs!

I have proven many facts after I spoke about many deaf issues, on the table that we Deaf people with devices that dont help us to hear everything for a long time, if you mind .. Stop denying and change your attitude. Thanks! I dont need your fighting with me for a very stupid reason after all you refused to accept the truth.

DEAF PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING EXCEPT HEAR...That is what we have shown to you many times with all different kinds of articles and books that make a huge difference about Deaf people with or without oral speaking and devices. There is a book I have read [b]"Step into the circle" by Damara Goff Paris and Sharon Kay Wood...[/quote] and most of the people in this book do not wear devices.

Sweetmind 's Like I did posted at fragmenter s topic about his CI deaf child that turns me off because there are some ASL /Oralism extremists negative views. It shows me that he doesnt know the truth 100 percent.

You ignore the fact that he doesnt need to have the device. He made it without devices that he uses his hands to feel people s voices thats how he learned how to orally speak. That 's his oral survival kits that he can adapt that is different from us.. However we can feel it too.. So there! You wont let us adapt our own language / feelings/ creative thinking that helps by ASL itself, and many more....

Thats very positive reinforcements about Deaf people can do anything except hear. It doesnt cost money compared CI itself costs more than $50,000...a waste money and our gifted tools not to tell the truth that they cannot hear everything.


Thank you!
Sweetmind

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Fragmenter

Oh my goodness. Want to bet?

I can make you put your foot in your mouth seconds into our VP chat

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Fragmenter

That is where you are just being absurd.

Can you work as a bank teller? Can you work the cash register at Wal-Mart? Can you take orders up front at McDonald's?

The above are simple jobs that doesn't require extensive education yet we deaf people CANNOT have these jobs simply because they can't communicate orally with hearing people. Heck, even with all the tricks I learned all my life, I CAN'T do those types of work.

When you become honest with yourself and accept that deafness is a handicap AND we can't do anything except hear. That's the truth I'm trying to preach.

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Sweetmind

"Everyone Here spoke in Sign Language"
Hereditary Deafness on Martha ‘s Vineyard
Nora Ellen Groce
Foreword by John W. M . Whiting

I had read this book that hits me so hard and angry about not having our ASL in classroom or at home or anywhere that hearing people need to see the truth that is a language. I couldnt believe how couldn't people dont see that it works so well for both sides.

Deaf and Hearing people can communicate each other with our hands that works very well in the past until Oral extremists took over. Why does audism people wanting to destroy everything that works so well for Deaf children's best interest?

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Sweetmind

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Fragmenter

Seriously.

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Cloggy

I read the book as well. Very interesting stuff.
It also described that 25% of the island in those old times were deaf.
In todays society, it's 2%. Feel the difference.

So, with your thinking... why do you not speak chinese? Lots of people in USA speak chinese. Why don't you? It would make life so much easier. And you can just learn it....


That's a trick question. Answer... Otherwise they would not be audists.

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Fragmenter

Exactly.

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Sweetmind

Why not?? I can do it if you let me. You are limiting yourself because we cannot speak 100 percent.. if not, then why are you pushing us to listen those devices that doesnt make us to hear everything? Are you telling me that we cannot lip read more than 35 percent? Are you telling me that hearing people are not allowed to write with a pad and pen with us like we did. Deaf people can work as cashiers since I know how to figure out math that is not too hard for me to handle.

In Maryland, there is a Deaf guy who works as a Bank Teller with no device. Believe it or not! You dont have much time to look out for positive reinforcements about Deaf people can do anything except hear. Thats a shame of your own degradation on our Deaf people who have been very successful in many ways that you dont want to bother to focus on them. Are you jealous or want to use crab theory that you love to pull them down when they have accomplished things that they did. It seems like your audist attitude is that we cant cant cant. Thts what pisses me off.

YOu are the one who wont allow us to work that you pointed that out. How interesting that you are not capable yourself to have these job positions.


Sweetmind

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Cloggy

Sure

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SxyPorkie

AHHHH so you are completely deaf... you use VP...so do I...if you do know all ASL and Deaf Culture,,,, made me wondering why you went into the form of child abuse having your child getting CI....Obviosly you are ashamed of yourself being deaf????

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie

gnulinuxman

Uh, my fiancee was hired at McDonald's partially because she was deaf. They have a fairly high number of deaf customers and they didn't want to go through the hassle of writing everything too. So they hired my fiancee. She was also hired for other reasons too, of course.

You don't have to be a teller to work at a bank, you don't have to be a cashier at Wal-Mart to work there, and you don't have to take orders at the Drive-Thru to work at McDonald's.

Cloggy

SexyPig, I think Fragmenter will answer this after you read some more about him.
And remember, don't just read it. Try to UNDERSTAND! It might take you a while, but it's really worth it.
See you in a couple of weeks.

Have a good life.

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neecy

You are showing your ignorance again - Search through his posts and you will find the answer.

And for heavens sakes will you (and all the anti-CI activists) quit saying that getting a CI means somebody is ashamed of their deafness??? WANTING TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE DOESN'T MAKE ONE ASHAMED!!!!!

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Sweetmind

Cloggy 's Neecy 's
SO are we, Deaf people? For petes sake! We are not ashamed of ourselves for being deaf with our hands.

People are the one who are the barrier of communication toward deafies in many ways or cannot able to communicate with us after all we did learn how to oral speak with or without devices. So what's your point?? We did it all those years that shows not successful because of your ATTITUDE. People denied as usual. You are making a excuse as always.. CI doesnt prove me anything yet.

Jeez!
Sweetmind

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Cloggy

CI... why would you bring that up in this thread?

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deafmedicalpoet

I hate to kill your win fragmenter but I work at mcdonalds and do work as the order taker at times when we need a person there. You need to realize not all people can be easily "handicapped" with deafness. I know for real that deaf people can do anything that a hearing person can do except hear. BS about us not being able to do those works because you apparently never done them. And where in the world should we accept the "handicap" statement when we all know its not a "handicap" or a "disability", but as a difference.

DEAFNESS IS A DIFFERENCE THAT IS UNIQUE NOT A HANDICAP OR DISABILITY!!!

Fragmenter you are down shooting others that work at these companies so now shut the stupidity of whining up. I love my job at mcdonalds and other of my deaf friends work at resturants too.

Deaflinuxgeek (becareful with me I can be a nasty girl )

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greema

oh, oy oy! this really takes the cake!

Uh, my fiancee was hired at McDonald's partially because she was deaf. They have a fairly high number of deaf customers and they didn't want to go through the hassle of writing everything too. So they hired my fiancee. She was also hired for other reasons too, of course.
gnulinuxman


I hate to kill your win fragmenter but I work at mcdonalds and do work as the order taker at times when we need a person there.
deaflinuxgeek

need i say anything more?

deafmedicalpoet

I hate to break your little winning streak fragmenter, but I work at Mcdonalds.
I love working there and there are days that I am needed at the front to take orders and a lot more and may not always understand them but I get help.

DEAFNESS IS NOT A HANDICAP OR DISABILITY BUT YET IT IS A UNIQUE DIFFERENCE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!

Calling Deafness a handicap is like tell others that a blind person cant manage to walk alone even if they have a cane to help them. We have sign language and as a matter of fact I think others here might agree I am right that our deafness is not a handicap or disability because it only disables our hearing. How can that handicap us when we have eyes, hands and a mouth, our voices might not always work nor may some of us use them. And again I will state that DEAFNESS IS A UNIQUE DISABILITY.

Deaflinuxgeek(becareful I can be nasty if you bug me enough)

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Cloggy

At first you're wrong, then you're right.

Way to go!

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Audiofuzzy

and that is the CRUX of their disability. Not being able to hear IS disability.

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy

No, but if they need someone SPECIFICALLY for this you (the deaf) are out...

Fuzzy

deafmedicalpoet

Fuzzy did I just see you take my words out of contents and by the way the way you look at your deafness is your way but some state its not a handicap nor a disability. Really reread my post and think uh?

I dont call my Cerebral Palsy I have a disability but I view it as a unique difference in my life.

Deaflinuxgeek

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deafmedicalpoet

Oh really?? who says? you?? its discrimination if people dont give us the fair right to have a job just the same as a hearing person, I mean our ADA laws will not allow us to not get jobs, because we can really benefit their work environment a dreat deal..

Ever think of that?? Really you need to see that!!

Deaflinuxgeek

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Cloggy

CP and working at McDonalds. I'm impressed.

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