EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device - Page 18

Boult · 05-18-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

I started to wonder. Sure "many" as a number, but how namy deaf people ar in Deaf culture.
I have no idea. But from what I read here, there are also "many" deafies that are not connected to Deaf culture...

Any numbers / percentages anyone?

There's about 30 millions deaf and hard of hearing in USA and out of that about up to 5 hundred thousands belongs to Deaf Culture.

R2D2 · 05-18-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boult

There's about 30 millions deaf and hard of hearing in USA and out of that about up to 5 hundred thousands belongs to Deaf Culture.

If that is true then the Deaf only represent 1.6% of the total deaf and hard of hearing population. I guess it's because they are so vocal that gives the impression that they are a much larger group than they really are.

gnulinuxman · 05-19-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

There's about 30 millions deaf and hard of hearing in USA and out of that about up to 5 hundred thousands belongs to Deaf Culture.

Source???

And does this include people who don't have hearing loss?

And I have yet to meet (personally, that is) a deaf person who isn't culturally Deaf. But you included hard-of-hearing people, and they are usually steered into the hearing culture because of their partial ability to hear.

Boult · 05-19-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Source???

And does this include people who don't have hearing loss?

And I have yet to meet (personally, that is) a deaf person who isn't culturally Deaf. But you included hard-of-hearing people, and they are usually steered into the hearing culture because of their partial ability to hear.

can't you read? I said "out of" so I mean physically deaf and hard of hearing. the source: google it yourself!

Sweetmind · 05-19-2006, 11:28 AM

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Sweetmind: what made you pick the American School in London, then? The stuff you quoted on their site - the same things are said in the brochures of just about every private or charter school in the country, and most public schools have the same things in their mission statement. The American School in London is *no* different from any other school in that regard.

Are you sure about that?? I picked this school as an example because they specifically state that they accept all kinds of students as far as ethnicity and such...They do not use ASL at all and dont provide those children to learn about Deaf history/ Deaf arts/ and much more that comes from Deaf community. Deaf children have the right to know their Deaf hertiage that is important for them to have the full knowledge of Deaf issues. Many of them do not know the truth and they should be aware of it and stand up for themselves as for Deaf Rights. They will never find out until late age or they got a wake up call that is more of culturally deaf from everywhere in this society if they are willing to open their eyes and accept themselves as a Deaf person.

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And as for the statement that I don't know what bi-bi is - again, my mother taught for years at the Kennedy School in Berlin. When you expand bi-bi to bilingual-bicultural, you aren't specifying a language or culture. A school that describes itself as bi-bi could be English/ASL, German/DGS, Cantonese/HKSL English/German, French/Swahili, Spanish/Basque, or any of a zillion other choices. The Kennedy School in Berlin is a bilingual-bicultural institution with English and German as the languages, and American and German as the cultures.

BI BI lanugage is American Sign Language and Signed English with or without orally speaking that is equal rights for all deafies. It s fair treatment without having the '"out of sight" that Deaf people do need Alternative needs (I dont like the word "special needs").

Sweetmind 's

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Deaf community has all kind of cultures itself for d/Deaf people.. So therefore we have Deaf cultures. Thats our positive outlook of our deafness everywhere in every countries that we d/Deaf people exists and much alive in this diversity world."

Thats very positive outlook about deaf people in their Deaf community that I am very supportive of their Deaf languages and Deaf people s rights to freedom. So why are you complain about this?? It doesnt make sense. Some deafies who come from other countries and move into America where they need to learn ASL because some of them cannot speak as they couldnt help it.. They are completely deaf and have their rights to be with us in Deaf Community or Deaf schools. I have seen some other deaf languages people that comes from and go to Deaf school that we could help him to learn English with Signed English that combines BI BI langauges. And you expect him to speak spoken language which is outrageous from the start.

I am Deaf and proud of it. I am not ashamed of showing my hands to communicate with anybody in this diversity world.. People out there need to be educated about d/Deaf people s true identity and our Deaf languages that is very important to all of our d/Deaf children s rights. I would love to learn their language and share it. Thats what the Deaf communtiy is all about.

Why bother to hide our deafness since they have a very negative view on deafness all along? I am not gonna to destroy myself because I BORN DEAF.

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Cloggy · 05-19-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

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I am Deaf and proud of it. We know. You've told us.
I am not ashamed of showing my hands to communicate with anybody in this diversity world.. We know. You've told us.
People out there need to be educated about d/Deaf people s true identity and our Deaf languages that is very important to all of our d/Deaf children s rights. We know. You've told us.
I would love to learn their language and share it. Which language?
Thats what the Deaf communtiy is all about.We know. You've told us.

Why bother to hide our deafness since they have a very negative view on deafness all along? Not a negative view. They have no view at all. Then they learn about Deaf culture and make their own decisions.
I am not gonna to destroy myself because I BORN DEAF. That would be rediculous.

Thank you!

You're welcome
Sweetmind

Cloggy

ismi · 05-19-2006, 04:04 PM

Sweetmind: bi-bi *includes* English/ASL education, but it also includes other situations. Much like one meaning of ASL is American Sign Language, but there are other expansions as well (American School in London, Applied Symbolic Logic, and so on).

gnulinuxman · 05-20-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

BI BI lanugage is American Sign Language and Signed English with or without orally speaking that is equal rights for all deafies. It s fair treatment without having the '"out of sight" that Deaf people do need Alternative needs (I dont like the word "special needs").

Actually, ismi is right about this. BI-BI means "bilingual-bicultural", and while it is usually used in the US to refer to ASL and English ("bilingual") and deaf and hearing (bicultural), it can be used for any kind of bilingual and bicultural education. (But bi-bi is most commonly expanded when referring to the other combinations here.)

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Thats very positive outlook about deaf people in their Deaf community that I am very supportive of their Deaf languages and Deaf people s rights to freedom. So why are you complain about this?? It doesnt make sense. Some deafies who come from other countries and move into America where they need to learn ASL because some of them cannot speak as they couldnt help it.. They are completely deaf and have their rights to be with us in Deaf Community or Deaf schools. I have seen some other deaf languages people that comes from and go to Deaf school that we could help him to learn English with Signed English that combines BI BI langauges. And you expect him to speak spoken language which is outrageous from the start.

Forcing deaf kids to make sounds they can't hear is ridiculous. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

I am Deaf and proud of it. I am not ashamed of showing my hands to communicate with anybody in this diversity world.. People out there need to be educated about d/Deaf people s true identity and our Deaf languages that is very important to all of our d/Deaf children s rights. I would love to learn their language and share it. Thats what the Deaf communtiy is all about.

Good that you're proud of who you are. I like it when people are proud of their differences.

And agreed that hearing people need education about this. We are raised to believe that everybody wants to hear, but then are shocked to find out that there is a culture around deafness....

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Why bother to hide our deafness since they have a very negative view on deafness all along? I am not gonna to destroy myself because I BORN DEAF.

If you're referring to the CI, I don't blame you.

SxyPorkie · 05-20-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

I started to wonder. Sure "many" as a number, but how namy deaf people ar in Deaf culture.
I have no idea. But from what I read here, there are also "many" deafies that are not connected to Deaf culture...

Any numbers / percentages anyone?

Cloggy you know nothing about the Deaf Culture.... I was born hearing, but i became HOH... my parents were deaf ... I grew up in the Deaf family... You need to live in the Deaf Culture to understand completely... I am 61 yrs old now.. completely DEAF.... I am very proud of being in the Deaf Culture

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie

neecy · 05-20-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Cloggy you know nothing about the Deaf Culture.... I was born hearing, but i became HOH... my parents were deaf ... I grew up in the Deaf family... You need to live in the Deaf Culture to understand completely... I am 61 yrs old now.. completely DEAF.... I am very proud of being in the Deaf Culture

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie

I don't see anybody denying anoyone here the right to be proud of Deaf Culture. If you are happy/proud of it then all the more power to you. That's your right.

sr171soars · 05-20-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Source???

And does this include people who don't have hearing loss?

And I have yet to meet (personally, that is) a deaf person who isn't culturally Deaf. But you included hard-of-hearing people, and they are usually steered into the hearing culture because of their partial ability to hear.

There are always exceptions to the rule.

I have met a few (truly deaf not in deaf culture) over my lifetime. I used to have a boyhood friend (almost four decades ago) who mother was deaf (no hearing whatsoever). She even worked for the federal gov't as a supervisor. She did not know sign (she refused to use it) and grew up oral. When she spoke it was decent for one who couldn't hear.

I would have to agree with Boult about the culturally deaf are not that numerous. Just saying 30 million deaf including HOH is ten percent of the USA population. I see people with HAs and (rarely a couple of CIs) all the time. I don't see what you call culturally deaf that often. Actually, the only place I do (see such) in my travels is at my church where we have a small group.

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 02:32 PM

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In my work I attempt to examine how deaf children learn a written language without ever knowing its spoken form, how their knowledge of ASL helps with the development of reading skills, and where ASL, written English, and literacy may intersect with one another. I also argue that literacy is more than merely achieving skills with written language. Instead, literacy should be appraised as a cognitive stance that is required in certain communicative contexts related to processing and producing language regardless of the mode.

Currently I am investigating how opportunities for cognitively-engaging dialogue in ASL may help lay the groundwork for deaf children's acquisition of written English through the process of learning to read. In my work, I made a distinction between language knowledge and literacy-related skills in language. Two examples of literacy-related skills in language are as follows: ability to think about content in an analytical mode; ability to communicate or process information about content that is temporally and spatially removed from the context. I am interested in examining a relationship between exposure to literacy-related use of language in ASL and the ability to read and write.

In constructing a model of literacy I tried to break out of the notion that literacy is associated with the way language is used in writing. I am trying to examine how ASL may vary between the literary use of ASL and the academic use of ASL. Discourses ranging from literary to academic and to colloquial use of the language vary in the extent to which the analogical and symbolic bases of communication manifest themselves. I found Gee's (1991) distinction between primary and secondary discourses useful for sorting what counts as literacy and what does not count. Gee suggests that literacy concerns skills in using secondary discourses.

Lastly, I have been reviewing the literature on visual literacy and found that it made an interesting contribution to my effort in model building. Communication through a visual medium such as drawing or film represents the most analogical possible mode of communication while writing represents the most symbolic possible mode of communication. The quest to understand literacy should entail an examination of the full continuum of human communication with analogical representation on one end and symbolic representation on the other.

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Oceanbreeze · 05-20-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

What's the difference with Jesus coming to heal your deafness - how is that more accepting of your deafness?

Why are people who wear hearing aids and CIs not accepting of their deafness compared to those who would be healed by Jesus?

Are people in wheelchairs less accepting of their condition because they use devices as opposed to waiting for healing from Jesus?

I don't think there is anything wrong with using devices to make your life easier. It doesn't mean you don't accept that you aren't deaf. I think the problem is more that other people don't accept that they are deaf!

I agree!

I am hearing, but this struck a cord with me. I'm wheelchair bound, and I have been most of my life. I really hate it when people try to push their own agendas on others. Being healed by God is a very personal thing for someone, and I don't think we have a right to judge for someone what is good for them. If we are healed by God, wonderful, but if we're not, that's okay, too. We should accept ourselves for who we are. Afterall, we are all unique!

Cloggy · 05-20-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Cloggy you know nothing about the Deaf Culture.... I was born hearing, but i became HOH... my parents were deaf ... I grew up in the Deaf family... You need to live in the Deaf Culture to understand completely... I am 61 yrs old now.. completely DEAF.... I am very proud of being in the Deaf Culture

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie

SexyPork,
Like I said, I know nothing about the Deaf Culture.... I was born hearing, ... my parents were hearing... I grew up in the hearing family...
I would have to live in the Deaf Culture to understand completely... atc. etc..

Like I allready said before. Not even going to bother showing you where I said that.

Lots of love,

Cloggy

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 03:24 PM

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I can't enjoy it
It does not have CC and I can't hear nor sign.

Fuzzy

Gasp! I knew something fishy about you after all you debated with me so hard in my topic here. I found that you have said in your own words aloud in other topic. Wow! I thought two hearing aids helps you a lot but it is not.

Boy, it must be so hard for you as I believe it s really hard for those Deaf children from the start.

Thank you so much for saying it aloud. Now you can understand why you couldnt fool me that easily.

And you blew it.

Thats why ASL make the difference for us Deaf people and Hearing people too.

That's UNITY in our diverse world not hearing world only.

That's why I strongly believe honest is the best policy.

Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 04:02 PM

EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device Here's where Cloggy claimed the CI was perfect.

Boult · 05-20-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Gasp! I knew something fishy about you after all you debated with me so hard in my topic here. I found that you have said in your own words aloud in other topic. Wow! I thought two hearing aids helps you a lot but it is not.

Boy, it must be so hard for you as I believe it s really hard for those Deaf children from the start.

Thank you so much for saying it aloud. Now you can understand why you couldnt fool me that easily.

And you blew it.

Thats why ASL make the difference for us Deaf people and Hearing people too.

That's UNITY in our diverse world not hearing world only.

That's why I strongly believe honest is the best policy.

Sweetmind

Link to that quote please...

Audiofuzzy · 05-20-2006, 04:13 PM

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http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=284 Here's where Cloggy claimed the CI was perfect.

I don't see it ..

Fuzzy

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 04:14 PM

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I can't enjoy it
It does not have CC and I can't hear nor sign.

Fuzzy

READ IT ALOUD! Can you read it?? JEEZ!!!!

And also, you ignore many good topic that relates to American Sign Language. So I m not going to help you with url that you want to know where it is.

Thats why my pet peeves is Audism attitude that comes from oralism extremist that has so many Degradation , namecall , insult. oppression, discrimination, make fun of toward me and my friends for 8 years.. So you are not gonna to make me to do it for you.

Thank you!

Boult · 05-20-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

READ IT ALOUD! Can you read it?? JEEZ!!!!

just show us where you found that tidbit which audofuzzy typed in other topic which you didn't name or link to. you just copy and paste in this thread? why not over there? so I can follow her dialogue so I would know what she's talking about..

you will have to find other thread where she explained who she is in greater detail than you quoted.

Cloggy · 05-20-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device Here's where Cloggy claimed the CI was perfect.

I really do like it when you use examples to prove a point....

CutePommie · 05-20-2006, 04:42 PM

Sigh still at it ?...

Cloggy · 05-20-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CutePommie

Sigh still at it ?...

Yep, just like you appearently. Nice to see you pop up now and then.

SxyPorkie · 05-22-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CutePommie

Sigh still at it ?...

It is your problem.... you had not read all threads... so now you are complaining that we all are still at it.... SCOFFS!!!!

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie

gnulinuxman · 05-22-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Boult

just show us where you found that tidbit which audofuzzy typed in other topic which you didn't name or link to. you just copy and paste in this thread? why not over there? so I can follow her dialogue so I would know what she's talking about..

you will have to find other thread where she explained who she is in greater detail than you quoted.

Here: Anybody here like Keith Wann?

gnulinuxman · 05-22-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

SexyPork,
Like I said, I know nothing about the Deaf Culture.... I was born hearing, ... my parents were hearing... I grew up in the hearing family...
I would have to live in the Deaf Culture to understand completely... atc. etc..

Like I allready said before. Not even going to bother showing you where I said that.

Lots of love,

Cloggy

You need culturally Deaf friends. Then you'll start to understand.

However, you're never going to get any with your pro-hearing attitude.

Cloggy · 05-22-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

You need culturally Deaf friends. Then you'll start to understand.

However, you're never going to get any with your pro-hearing attitude.

Ah shoot.... so reading "Mask of Benevolance" doesn't qualify me for a Deaf Culture Membership.... Bummer.
Sorry, but I read it in English since I couldn't find the sign version....

greema · 05-23-2006, 04:02 PM

great comeback! (still swatting at that pesky gnat

)

gnulinuxman · 05-23-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Ah shoot.... so reading "Mask of Benevolance" doesn't qualify me for a Deaf Culture Membership.... Bummer.
Sorry, but I read it in English since I couldn't find the sign version....

Reading a book like that isn't going to make you an expert on Deaf Culture. Besides, if you're trying to "prove" that Deaf culturists in the USA are ASL-only, you're not getting anywhere because these forums are all in English and they all read and write English. English isn't only an oral language. It is a written one, too.

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Originally Posted by greema

great comeback! (still swatting at that pesky gnat

)

Whatever. As much as I'd like to continue this battle of wits with you, greema, you're obviously unarmed.

Cloggy · 05-23-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Reading a book like that isn't going to make you an expert on Deaf Culture. It isn't... NO???? Really????

Besides, if you're trying to "prove" that Deaf culturists in the USA are ASL-only, ... I am...how exiting... how did you come to that conclusion? I missed it myself!

you're not getting anywhere because these forums are all in English and they all read and write English. English isn't only an oral language. It is a written one, too.............

Which actually is a interesting statement.
Question now is - since you brought it up -

How many Deaf people are not here because they cannot write english correctly? Not that there's a need for it - I understand the message anyhow. But still... how many do we not see???

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