EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device - Page 12

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 01:43 AM

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You see!

YOU see nothing since we shared our feelings with CIers or Ex CIers who wasnt happy because their parents were forced them to have CI if you mind. Dont be so narrowmind , Cloggy.. No wonder you ignored everything what Deaf people here said from their hearts. MIND YOU!

Open up your eyes , Please!! Not [all] good parents. All they do is force and force them to speak only in their home. What s that supposed to be???? Forbid sign language or meet other deafies because of their hearing world rules. SCOFFS! Audsim people didnt change for a better if you mind. It 's their negative view about our deafness and deaf people or deaf community after all they have not seen the fact yet.. JEEZ!!!

Dont you see in many other topics that many deafies had mentioned about it.. Then you lied again since you already saw their comments about it. Jeez!!! For heaven s sake!!!

Grow up!! CLOGGY Stop being so self centered, Sighs!

You know what I respect Rockdrummer because he wants to learn why or how or what or who that relates to our true Deaf experiences that he never knew. He is learning and asking the questions that I have a lot of respect for him. He wants the best interest for his CI failure son because he is completely deaf if you mind. Sighs!

He understood me that it was not intention to point that out to anyone in here. Thanks Rockdrummer for your openmind. I know it s hard on you because you are hearing.. Dont you worry! Rockdrummer.

I m grateful for those people who want to learn and understand us better so that way we can have a UNITY in a diversity world NOT hearing world only.

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Audiofuzzy · 05-10-2006, 03:20 AM

Open YOUR eyes, Sweetmind. CI is just a device that helps hear SOME. It enables to hear more or less, depending on many factors.
Certainly a child exposed to both deaf and hearing world won't complain as adult of being separated from deaf culture because of CI - because it won't be.

CLOGGY SIGNS too TO HIS DAUGHTER ! how come you misses this over and over?

he is LEARNING abour deaf culture, deaf needs, by BEIGN here, maybe he participate in deaf events too, or will.

So what's your point?

Certainly being oral helps, as you said so yourself - and hearing a little does too, otherwise all deaf pple would just throw their HAs away.

Fuzzy

Cloggy · 05-10-2006, 03:25 AM

Bear,
Thanks for your post. Enjoyed reading it. I'll reply inside your quote. [QUOTE=Bear]Good posting there Cloggy, glad to see you got the idea that I am trying to put out there. I do wanna hear the positive sides, but not ALL the time ya know? Because then, when that happens, I truly think the message gets lost.
I agree. This is the case for both sides. In a way it's become a balancing act. Too much negativity is counteracted with too much positive. Both sides lose focus because they do not believe the other side.
So, meeting in the middle is ofcourse the way to go. There will still be a balance.

What I meant by that was, people are like well I wanted to give my child a chance to hear. Which is fine, I respect that. I may not agree with implantation of a child, but I respect that it wasn't my decision to make.

But, at the same time my point was what if a deaf mother, said make my child deaf, so my child can grow up knowing what it is like to be deaf.
YOu have to realise that in general terms, we are speaking of hearing parents of deaf children, since most deaf children are born from hearing parents. The situation will be different when the family is deaf...........

Sure it will never happen because who wants that?

My concern is, are some of these parents doing it for their own selfish reasons?

Cloggy, I am in no way saying that anyone here has done that. But, you and I both know that this has more than likely happened.

I am saying I worry that some of these parents out there say oh, I did it to help my child to be able to hear and experience sound. But, deep down inside they know their true motive was not to have to deal with a deaf child.

Some parents are great, but sadly, there are some that aren't.
Of course there are. And I am reacting to treating parents like they do not love their child, like they do not accept deafness, like they hate ASL etc. Most parents (hearing) have no clue about deafness. Put them in your place and read some of the ideas in some of the topics and imagine them reading this. The negativity and assumptions made are enough to put anyone off. So, I am trying to provide another insite. That of the parent with a deaf child...........

I do realize they say the younger they are implanted the better their chances are. But, trying to think of a way to say this without offending anyone. Because it is a concern of mine with a CHILD of mine.

If I had a deaf child and decided for implant and that child died on the operating table due to unknown circumstances before operating. Such as allergic reaction to the anethesia, maybe heart failure. I realize the chances are slim to almost none, but there still is that chance. That alone would scare me away from doing so.

I must say you are definitely braver than me. Because the only way I would put my child on an operating table is for a lifesaving procedure. They wanted to put tubes in my son's ears and I told them hell no! I know for a fact there is medications out there to try FIRST! The doctor then refused to work with us and told me he would no longer be my son's doctor. I said fine, no problem and went to another specialist who agreed surgery is a last resort for that condition and put him on medications which cleared it up right away.

I fear putting my child on the operating table unless it is absolutely necessary.

SO, like I said you are braver than me.
It's not braver, it's having a different view on risks. When a simple operation can help my child, great. Medicine can have sideeffects that are much harder to counteract. The body is extremely well equipped to heal mechanical damage like a cut. Syntetic damage or polution like medicine are sometimes very tough on a body. They might cure one thing and start something else.
So for us, the operation was an acceptble risk. Sure there are fears, but that's part of the territory of having children......

Whereas, with the CI itself I am very very undereducated. I know very little about them.
That's fine. This is the place to ask. Me about CI in children, Neecy about CI after wearing a HA for 20+ years, Drummer about how it didn't work for his son, and there many others.. There are lots of experts here..........

I will answer the other questions later if needed. I'm sure other will explain as well.

C U later,
Cloggy

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

In case you haven't noticed, I am a hearing person. Deaf people never seemed annoying to me. I actually would agree with them (even though I grew up around almost entirely hearing people). I never became part of Deaf Culture until a last year in January, but I had deaf friends for 6-7 years before that.

It could be, but I would like to ask why you are telling them "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" instead of "Fight for your rights".

I am not normal in the hearing culture, but I am not normal in the Deaf culture either (I'm HEARING, remember?) I am a bicultural-trilingual hearing person.

You must be

by the hearing world....

LOL. Exactly. I knew you were hearing and you've only been in the culture for a year compared to me and all of my 25 years. I know and you do not. End of argument.

You do not understand my point. I am not saying for the Deaf to join them -- they just need to realize that this world is theirs and they are never going to cater to us. Just learn how to get along with them on a daily basis without being a hermit.

The hearing world is a huge mixing bowl to have any kind of normalcy so even your whole family tree is not normal in this world. The only way you may not be normal in this world is if you aren't psychologically healthy.

I only interact with the hearing people whenever I'm at work and with a select few hearing friends after work. I have hearing in-laws and so forth. These people are the only ones I interact with outside of the deaf community. The effort I spend to interact with the hearing saps my energy and seeing how easy my oral deaf wife gets through these situations is more than enough for me to see the big picture.

Knowledge owns you here, my friend

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Perfect English does not equal intelligence, and poor English does not equal poor intelligence...

To each his own but I'm not going to let you attack somebody's English when the people you defend has the same difficulties. That is double standards, y'know?

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 08:10 AM

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Open YOUR eyes, Sweetmind. CI is just a device that helps hear SOME. It enables to hear more or less, depending on many factors.
Certainly a child exposed to both deaf and hearing world won't complain as adult of being separated from deaf culture because of CI - because it won't be.

NO I didnt have to open eyes until CLOGGY has to accept that his daughter is deaf with CI or HA. He spoke for himself not his daughter. Thats why I resisted it from him. I was a deaf child myself and knew whats it alike to process to learn how to speak and listen with my HA. JEEZ! I bet he s still pretend that she is NOT hearing so he lied to make himself look good.

And he thinks many of deafies are trapped into Deaf community. For heaven s sake we all did mingle both sides so what makes him saying that? Thats a big lie.. I m so sick of people who thinks that I am living in Deaf community. JEEZ! All they do degrade me for my being deaf and love Deaf community because they allowed me for who I am whlie Hearing people doesnt know or have their attitude about us and our hands to communicate. Scoffs!

It doesnt matter to me anymore since CI doctor or Audiologist professional is very clever and sleazy that too many children do not hear with their HA that is impossible. I appreciated those CIers or ex CIers shared with me in a very honest approach about CI device. Now I know i have told the truth that CI is not gonna to make you hear everything just like Hearing aid if you mind.. Why destroy those kids's Residual Hearing, who are very innocent???

Since I can hear the bird with HA when everything is calm down and quiet if you mind after I realized that. NICE excuses that we couldnt hear with the bird s singing with HA whoever said it .. That is a big lie. I know the difference between Deaf and HOH.

Oh yea!! tell me why a ex CI kid who failed with CI itself and continually to use SEE while his writing is not so great since age two in mainstream. SO tell me how to solve the problem?? Ignore this CI failure s needs in mainstream school.. UMMPPHH. Something wrong here!

And I dont appreciate for anyone to destroy their residual hearings while they still can hear with their HA. Scoffs! Thats why I am against it.

Thats why it s important to have ASL from the start that many parents dont give their kids to have ASL because parent did not know any better and uneducated. After all, they get the wrong idea about ASL so why is that?

Now u can see why I dont agree with SEE itself. Thanks!

Yea why dont you open your eyes as well?

Thank you!

Sweetmind

neecy · 05-10-2006, 08:55 AM

Cloggy has repeatedly said (directed at YOU!) that his daughter is deaf without the CI, and that she can hear with it. He's said she is learning ASL and will learn about deaf culture. You choose to ignore everything he tells you in favor of whining the same thing over and over again.

You wouldn't listen to him then. You won't listen to him now - is it any wonder he's stopped replying to your rants?

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

NO I didnt have to open eyes until CLOGGY has to accept that his daughter is deaf with CI or HA. He spoke for himself not his daughter. Thats why I resisted it from him. I was a deaf child myself and knew whats it alike to process to learn how to speak and listen with my HA. JEEZ! I bet he s still pretend that she is NOT hearing so he lied to make himself look good.

And he thinks many of deafies are trapped into Deaf community. For heaven s sake we all did mingle both sides so what makes him saying that? Thats a big lie.. I m so sick of people who thinks that I am living in Deaf community. JEEZ! All they do degrade me for my being deaf and love Deaf community because they allowed me for who I am whlie Hearing people doesnt know or have their attitude about us and our hands to communicate. Scoffs!

It doesnt matter to me anymore since CI doctor or Audiologist professional is very clever and sleazy that too many children do not hear with their HA that is impossible. I appreciated those CIers or ex CIers shared with me in a very honest approach about CI device. Now I know i have told the truth that CI is not gonna to make you hear everything just like Hearing aid if you mind.. Why destroy those kids's Residual Hearing, who are very innocent???

Since I can hear the bird with HA when everything is calm down and quiet if you mind after I realized that. NICE excuses that we couldnt hear with the bird s singing with HA whoever said it .. That is a big lie. I know the difference between Deaf and HOH.

Oh yea!! tell me why a ex CI kid who failed with CI itself and continually to use SEE while his writing is not so great since age two in mainstream. SO tell me how to solve the problem?? Ignore this CI failure s needs in mainstream school.. UMMPPHH. Something wrong here!

And I dont appreciate for anyone to destroy their residual hearings while they still can hear with their HA. Scoffs! Thats why I am against it.

Thats why it s important to have ASL from the start that many parents dont give their kids to have ASL because parent did not know any better and uneducated. After all, they get the wrong idea about ASL so why is that?

Now u can see why I dont agree with SEE itself. Thanks!

Yea why dont you open your eyes as well?

Thank you!

Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 09:09 AM

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Cloggy has repeatedly said (directed at YOU!) that his daughter is deaf without the CI, and that she can hear with it. He's said she is learning ASL and will learn about deaf culture. You choose to ignore everything he tells you in favor of whining the same thing over and over again.

You wouldn't listen to him then. You won't listen to him now - is it any wonder he's stopped replying to your rants?

YOu dont know nothing about him ever since I had dealing with him for more than 1 1/2 years after all he has no respect for all of deafies especially me and CSN ..He has no respect for me after all he namedcalled me tooo many times. Guess what he might be the representative for CI corporation that is how people pushed too far.

Why dont you back off and jumped into the ocean? Find the shark who does bite and think it knows all. Thank you!

I am so glad that I have proved that CI and HA are the same behavioral patterns that we do not hear everything. MIND YOU! Finally I got them to face the fact.

I simply dont respect and trust him after all he hasnt been telling the truth for more than a year. It goes for you too since you are latened deaf that cannot compare us and our deafness if you mind. He thinks he knows everything about our deafness. MIND YOU! I respect rockdrummer all the way.. That s different between Cloggy and Rockdrummer s attitude.

Deaf will be always deaf. Some of you wont accept or listen. So what s your problem ?

Thank you!
Sweetmind

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 09:16 AM

ANd you both have NOT respect my asking not to discuss in CI in my topic post but you ignored. So therefore you are asking for it. I m here to stand up for our Deaf children to protect from destroy their true identity and their hands to communicate with.

I guess you both are being so hardheaded because you ignored everything I have said in a very honest way because i feel parents should know the truth. I care about the parents and Deaf children s best interest. So I am all wrong wrong wrong as you think.. Guess what you both are wrong from the start all along. I have to laugh because you are still trying to bite my arse every single day in here. Keep it up!

I proved it already so I m not making myself fool out of it.

JEEZ!
Sweetmind

neecy · 05-10-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

YOu dont know nothing about him ever since I had dealing with him for more than 1 1/2 years after all he has no respect for all of deafies especially me and CSN ..He has no respect for me after all he namedcalled me tooo many times. Guess what he might be the represenative for CI corporation that is how people pushed too far.

So thats a reason to keep saying the same things,and making the same arguements even when its refuted?

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Why dont you back off and jumped into the ocean? Find the shark who does bite and think it knows all. Thank you!

This is rather amusing.

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I am so glad that I have proved that CI and HA are the same behavioral patterns that we do not hear everything. MIND YOU! Finally I got them to face the fact.

Nobody here has said that CI's or HA's help people hear everything clearly, and no you didn't get them to "face the facts." They knew that all along, you just refused to see it, because you'd have to admit you were wrong, and we know you won't do that.

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Deaf will be always deaf. Some of you wont accept or listen. So what s your problem ?

I know that, Cloggy knows that, so does everybody else, but it seems to me that you are the one who won't listen.

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 09:41 AM

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...456#post525456

YAH YAH truth is here.

Who is lying about us Deaf people of Deaf community? Of course it s Traitor and audism people who did it

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 09:55 AM

I don't know who you are arguing with...

If you don't mind, please quote anything with discrimination against the Deaf, ASL, Deaf culture and etc. in this thread. I have a feeling you will have trouble finding one.

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 10:06 AM

Quit playing a MIND games if you dont mind.. and stay out of it. You stick up in the wrong side as usual. Sighs!

I dont owe you any explaination if you mind..

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 10:15 AM

I just want to help set the record straight is all.

At the least, don't ever accuse me of being a traitor because my loyalty will always lie in my family's best interests.

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 10:40 AM

Dont even bother to ask me if you mind.. All you do is looking at the mirror and ask yourself that question first. Think of yourself too much while I m thinking about the Deaf people of Deaf community in a very postive reinforcement that is very healthy while you and your wife dont have that. Mind you!

You re guilty since you said I did accused you personally however, I did not.. It shows me that is who you are. Thats what I am seeing before I can reply you from the beginning.. Bingo! Nothing new that is coming from you.

Boult · 05-10-2006, 10:42 AM

Fragmenter, forget her.

Eve · 05-10-2006, 10:45 AM

Oh but Boult, I do agree with this portion of her previous statement

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Originally Posted by Sourmind

Dont even bother to ask me if you mind..

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Originally Posted by Sourmind

You stick up in the wrong side as usual

Why do there have to be "sides"???? It is all up to individual choice. SM, you certainly aren't portraying the deaf community in a very positive light for a parent coming to this board seeking information on behalf of their child. You may want to re evaluate your tactics if you claim that what you have to say is for the good of deaf children.

Eve · 05-10-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sourmind

I am so glad that I have proved that CI and HA are the same behavioral patterns that we do not hear everything. MIND YOU! Finally I got them to face the fact.

SM, you haven't proven a thing. Until you have been implanted with a CI, you have no base of knowlege for what you are commenting on.

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 10:54 AM

It's funny though.

I agree to disagree.

neecy · 05-10-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fragmenter

It's funny though.

I agree to disagree.

Its like a train wreck...you KNOW its gonna be messy but you still look!

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 11:02 AM

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Oh but Boult, I do agree with this portion of her previous statement
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Originally Posted by Sourmind
Dont even bother to ask me if you mind..

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Originally Posted by Sourmind
You stick up in the wrong side as usual

Eve is a special teacher and has no point here.. Whew! I couldnt believe it she has no responsibility for her own actions as it s the same thing for Cloggy s behavior. Wow this is real childish audism people. People have not changed at all ever since.

And I cannot believe they are allowed to call me sourmind and get away with it.. How *258*!!! That 's very good example some of you got banned from other forums that the owner has a very good reason. You cannot blamed him for taking his own action to stop people bash people.

Many thanks for your true colors.

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 11:10 AM

The quote by Harlan Lane, in his book, The Mask of Benevolence, p. 17 is as follows:

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"Deaf identity itself is highly valued; deaf people seem to agree that a hearing person can never fully acquire that identity and become a full-fledged member of the deaf community. The hearing person will have missed the experience of growing up deaf, including attending a deaf school, and is likely to have divided allegiances. Speech and thinking like a hearing person are negatively valued in deaf culture. Deaf people who adopt hearing values and look down on other deaf people are regarded as traitors."

Thats why I agree with Harlen Lane that shows us already. Thanks!

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Many thanks for your true colors.

You bleed true colors the most

Cloggy · 05-10-2006, 12:25 PM

Hello Sweety,
I'll have to answer you inside your quote because, again, so many misinterpretation, accusations that are unfounded and thing that I have allready explained but you have allready forgotten. It's OK, I'll explain it again......

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

NO I didnt have to open eyes until CLOGGY has to accept that his daughter is deaf with CI or HA.
He spoke for himself not his daughter. Thats why I resisted it from him. I was a deaf child myself and knew whats it alike to process to learn how to speak and listen with my HA. JEEZ!
As I have said earlier, my daughter is deaf. It might have slipped your attention as I only said it about a hundred times. So, she's deaf.
She's also 3-1/2 and cannot speak for herself. That's why - the parents speak for her and made the decision for her to have CI. That's what parents are for - I think. If you have other experiences regarding parenting, that another issue. But for us, we make the decision.
.... I bet he s still pretend that she is NOT hearing so he lied to make himself look good.
Just to get yor way of thinking.... She is NOT hearing so therefore I lied.... I really need an ASL translation on this one because I really do not get it. Anyone... feel free to help.
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And he thinks many of deafies are trapped into Deaf community. Wrong assumption .... ..........
Now I know i have told the truth that CI is not gonna to make you hear everything just like Hearing aid if you mind.. Why destroy those kids's Residual Hearing, who are very innocent???
How did you figure out your truth... I have asked you before but never got an answer. (Not surprised though) When is someone hearing?
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Since I can hear the bird with HA when everything is calm down and quiet if you mind after I realized that. NICE excuses that we couldnt hear with the bird s singing with HA whoever said it .. That is a big lie. I know the difference between Deaf and HOH.
Sure Sweety. You hear a bird. You can hear..... ....

Oh yea!! tell me why a ex CI kid who failed with CI itself and continually to use SEE while his writing is not so great since age two in mainstream. SO tell me how to solve the problem?? Ignore this CI failure s needs in mainstream school.. UMMPPHH. Something wrong here!
Please refrase this because it makes no sense. Except for the UMMPPH ....

And I dont appreciate for anyone to destroy their residual hearings while they still can hear with their HA. Scoffs! Thats why I am against it.FIne, so you are OK with children that have no residual hearing to be implanted.... for some reason I doubt that.
Where is your limit for residual hearing? Hearing an airplane at 30 meters?.
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Thats why it s important to have ASL from the start that many parents dont give their kids to have ASL because parent did not know any better and uneducated. After all, they get the wrong idea about ASL so why is that?Finally something to agree with. ASL is important from the beginning when the child is developing. But sometime it's just as good to start straight with oral. When the child has CI and never has had any sign, speech would be the preferred way to go. If the child can communicate with sign, the best thing to do is to use the sign to establish speech. (All in my opinion...) ....

Now u can see why I dont agree with SEE itself. Thanks!
Well, that's a stretch, seeing that connection

Yea why dont you open your eyes as well?

Wide open

Thank you!

You're welcome

Sweetmind

C U

Cloggy · 05-10-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

YOu dont know nothing about him ever since I had dealing with him for more than 1 1/2 years after all he has no respect for all of deafies especially me and CSN ..He has no respect for me after all he namedcalled me tooo many times. Guess what he might be the representative for CI corporation that is how people pushed too far. .....

I recall you calling me Hitler... and then me getting banned from DeafNotes...

By the way, I have allways had respect for you and CSN. HAd lengtly discussions with him.
I have never had a discussion with you. I did read a lot of monologs, but I have never noticed communication.

gnulinuxman · 05-10-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by neecy

Nobody here has said that CI's or HA's help people hear everything clearly, and no you didn't get them to "face the facts." They knew that all along, you just refused to see it, because you'd have to admit you were wrong, and we know you won't do that.

I know that, Cloggy knows that, so does everybody else, but it seems to me that you are the one who won't listen.

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

I like this example better than the "let's make a hearing child deaf in order to integrate her with her deaf parents" example.

It's a good example. The only problem is the "but didn't work fully" which as an example in itself is fine, but with the technology NOWADAYS it does work.

So, it's fine if you decide NOT to take it as long as it is not based on OLD information.

People here that are defending CI are not telling anyone to take it. They are explaining the current status, technology so that people that are interested get the correct, current information.

This way a choice can be made on good information. Not OLD and INCORRECT information

Hmmm...do I see inconsistency and failure to read other people's posts???

Sweetmind · 05-10-2006, 12:39 PM

You dont get it.. I m saying it reminds me of Hilter who wants everybody are the same? Thats what I meant this and you refused to understand the concept of what People are trying to do with us deafies. Thank you!

YOu took it personal then it s your issues.. You refused to listen the true negative situation affects us deafies for years and years.

Now I am seeing you are not fully telling the truth all along.

Of course it s HILTER s opinion that is what I am seeing the whole picture of whats going on with our deaf people who have the right to fight against those audism people from the past and today's . Thats when I woke up my own eyes and realized how dare people come into deaf community and take take take take everything what we shared with our gifted appreciation to the outsider of Deaf community. AND destroy our Deaf schools, ASL, and many other things that our Deaf people who invented those Deaf accessories that we need to be equal as hearing people.. Now many hearing people are making money out on us today's. What s that supposed to be for them to do that while they dont have their positive attitude about us and our Deaf community? That makes me feel very very offensive and stand up for our Deaf people of Deaf community that they are not blamed for everything.. Blame yourself because you have a very negative view and nasty attitude toward us all along that we do not appreciate to have you around. Thank you!

CI corporation is the one of Hilter s attitude to make a big $$$$$$$$$ and also people who is the representative for CI corporation and come into our DeafNotes to push people too hard. Also DeafNotes has the rules for you not to use the adveristment about CI s business that they are making money. We are not gonna to tolerate this selfish / bigotry/ audism people. They dont have any respect for DeafNotes that is for us to share and educate people who wants to know full information. Whoever comes into DeafNotes to bash people like me or CSN or Donn or many positive attitude people. Thats the way Hilter who wants to invade and destroy people and our Deaf community like that.. Audism doesnt have any positive about us because they dont feel good about themselves by being deaf.. Why should we get bashed for?

And also CI corporation is making an excuses and lies so many things that I have found something to show the fact of what CI doctors had been said in the bibilical quotes that turns against our deafness.. GUESS what Boult abused my freedom of speech after he removed some post replies without the owner s authorization while he was out of town.. Thats dishonest as well. You dont care however I DO CARE if you mind.

IT is not for CI issue only all the time if you mind.. Thank you! Thats what it turns me off when it comes with a bigotry attitude from you and your followers.

Also you have other nicknames that I knew it for a long time.. So you cannot fool me that easily and am not that stupid as they are. thank you!

Thanks!

Sweetmind

Fragmenter · 05-10-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Hmmm...do I see inconsistency and failure to read other people's posts???

Stop picking at splinters in their eyes when you have a telephone pole in yours

gnulinuxman · 05-10-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragmenter

Stop picking at splinters in their eyes when you have a telephone pole in yours

gnulinuxman · 05-10-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Eve

SM, you haven't proven a thing. Until you have been implanted with a CI, you have no base of knowlege for what you are commenting on.

There's no need for name-calling here. She does have valid points, though.

05-10-2006, 03:25 AM	#333 (permalink)
Cloggy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 4,706	Bear, Thanks for your post. Enjoyed reading it. I'll reply inside your quote. [QUOTE=Bear]Good posting there Cloggy, glad to see you got the idea that I am trying to put out there. I do wanna hear the positive sides, but not ALL the time ya know? Because then, when that happens, I truly think the message gets lost. I agree. This is the case for both sides. In a way it's become a balancing act. Too much negativity is counteracted with too much positive. Both sides lose focus because they do not believe the other side. So, meeting in the middle is ofcourse the way to go. There will still be a balance. What I meant by that was, people are like well I wanted to give my child a chance to hear. Which is fine, I respect that. I may not agree with implantation of a child, but I respect that it wasn't my decision to make. But, at the same time my point was what if a deaf mother, said make my child deaf, so my child can grow up knowing what it is like to be deaf. YOu have to realise that in general terms, we are speaking of hearing parents of deaf children, since most deaf children are born from hearing parents. The situation will be different when the family is deaf........... Sure it will never happen because who wants that? My concern is, are some of these parents doing it for their own selfish reasons? Cloggy, I am in no way saying that anyone here has done that. But, you and I both know that this has more than likely happened. I am saying I worry that some of these parents out there say oh, I did it to help my child to be able to hear and experience sound. But, deep down inside they know their true motive was not to have to deal with a deaf child. Some parents are great, but sadly, there are some that aren't. Of course there are. And I am reacting to treating parents like they do not love their child, like they do not accept deafness, like they hate ASL etc. Most parents (hearing) have no clue about deafness. Put them in your place and read some of the ideas in some of the topics and imagine them reading this. The negativity and assumptions made are enough to put anyone off. So, I am trying to provide another insite. That of the parent with a deaf child........... I do realize they say the younger they are implanted the better their chances are. But, trying to think of a way to say this without offending anyone. Because it is a concern of mine with a CHILD of mine. If I had a deaf child and decided for implant and that child died on the operating table due to unknown circumstances before operating. Such as allergic reaction to the anethesia, maybe heart failure. I realize the chances are slim to almost none, but there still is that chance. That alone would scare me away from doing so. I must say you are definitely braver than me. Because the only way I would put my child on an operating table is for a lifesaving procedure. They wanted to put tubes in my son's ears and I told them hell no! I know for a fact there is medications out there to try FIRST! The doctor then refused to work with us and told me he would no longer be my son's doctor. I said fine, no problem and went to another specialist who agreed surgery is a last resort for that condition and put him on medications which cleared it up right away. I fear putting my child on the operating table unless it is absolutely necessary. SO, like I said you are braver than me. It's not braver, it's having a different view on risks. When a simple operation can help my child, great. Medicine can have sideeffects that are much harder to counteract. The body is extremely well equipped to heal mechanical damage like a cut. Syntetic damage or polution like medicine are sometimes very tough on a body. They might cure one thing and start something else. So for us, the operation was an acceptble risk. Sure there are fears, but that's part of the territory of having children...... Whereas, with the CI itself I am very very undereducated. I know very little about them. That's fine. This is the place to ask. Me about CI in children, Neecy about CI after wearing a HA for 20+ years, Drummer about how it didn't work for his son, and there many others.. There are lots of experts here.......... I will answer the other questions later if needed. I'm sure other will explain as well. C U later, Cloggy __________________ . The limits of my language mean the limits of my world. . . . Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 - 1951) Information about . . . . . . . . . Lotte Sofie . . . . . . . . . How the ear works . . . . . . . . . Parents info . . . . . . . . . Nonsense/ Myths about CI here or here.

05-10-2006, 09:55 AM	#342 (permalink)
Fragmenter Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 823	I don't know who you are arguing with... If you don't mind, please quote anything with discrimination against the Deaf, ASL, Deaf culture and etc. in this thread. I have a feeling you will have trouble finding one. __________________ Please don't feed the Trolls. They are for your viewing entertainment only. Thank you.

05-10-2006, 10:15 AM	#344 (permalink)
Fragmenter Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 823	I just want to help set the record straight is all. At the least, don't ever accuse me of being a traitor because my loyalty will always lie in my family's best interests. __________________ Please don't feed the Trolls. They are for your viewing entertainment only. Thank you.

05-10-2006, 10:54 AM	#349 (permalink)
Fragmenter Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 823	It's funny though. I agree to disagree. __________________ Please don't feed the Trolls. They are for your viewing entertainment only. Thank you.

05-10-2006, 12:39 PM	#357 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	You dont get it.. I m saying it reminds me of Hilter who wants everybody are the same? Thats what I meant this and you refused to understand the concept of what People are trying to do with us deafies. Thank you! YOu took it personal then it s your issues.. You refused to listen the true negative situation affects us deafies for years and years. Now I am seeing you are not fully telling the truth all along. Of course it s HILTER s opinion that is what I am seeing the whole picture of whats going on with our deaf people who have the right to fight against those audism people from the past and today's . Thats when I woke up my own eyes and realized how dare people come into deaf community and take take take take everything what we shared with our gifted appreciation to the outsider of Deaf community. AND destroy our Deaf schools, ASL, and many other things that our Deaf people who invented those Deaf accessories that we need to be equal as hearing people.. Now many hearing people are making money out on us today's. What s that supposed to be for them to do that while they dont have their positive attitude about us and our Deaf community? That makes me feel very very offensive and stand up for our Deaf people of Deaf community that they are not blamed for everything.. Blame yourself because you have a very negative view and nasty attitude toward us all along that we do not appreciate to have you around. Thank you! CI corporation is the one of Hilter s attitude to make a big $$$$$$$$$ and also people who is the representative for CI corporation and come into our DeafNotes to push people too hard. Also DeafNotes has the rules for you not to use the adveristment about CI s business that they are making money. We are not gonna to tolerate this selfish / bigotry/ audism people. They dont have any respect for DeafNotes that is for us to share and educate people who wants to know full information. Whoever comes into DeafNotes to bash people like me or CSN or Donn or many positive attitude people. Thats the way Hilter who wants to invade and destroy people and our Deaf community like that.. Audism doesnt have any positive about us because they dont feel good about themselves by being deaf.. Why should we get bashed for? And also CI corporation is making an excuses and lies so many things that I have found something to show the fact of what CI doctors had been said in the bibilical quotes that turns against our deafness.. GUESS what Boult abused my freedom of speech after he removed some post replies without the owner s authorization while he was out of town.. Thats dishonest as well. You dont care however I DO CARE if you mind. IT is not for CI issue only all the time if you mind.. Thank you! Thats what it turns me off when it comes with a bigotry attitude from you and your followers. Also you have other nicknames that I knew it for a long time.. So you cannot fool me that easily and am not that stupid as they are. thank you! Thanks! Sweetmind Last edited by Sweetmind; 05-10-2006 at 01:05 PM.

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05-10-2006, 03:20 AM	#332 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,384	Open YOUR eyes, Sweetmind. CI is just a device that helps hear SOME. It enables to hear more or less, depending on many factors. Certainly a child exposed to both deaf and hearing world won't complain as adult of being separated from deaf culture because of CI - because it won't be. CLOGGY SIGNS too TO HIS DAUGHTER ! how come you misses this over and over? he is LEARNING abour deaf culture, deaf needs, by BEIGN here, maybe he participate in deaf events too, or will. So what's your point? Certainly being oral helps, as you said so yourself - and hearing a little does too, otherwise all deaf pple would just throw their HAs away. Fuzzy

05-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#339 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	ANd you both have NOT respect my asking not to discuss in CI in my topic post but you ignored. So therefore you are asking for it. I m here to stand up for our Deaf children to protect from destroy their true identity and their hands to communicate with. I guess you both are being so hardheaded because you ignored everything I have said in a very honest way because i feel parents should know the truth. I care about the parents and Deaf children s best interest. So I am all wrong wrong wrong as you think.. Guess what you both are wrong from the start all along. I have to laugh because you are still trying to bite my arse every single day in here. Keep it up! I proved it already so I m not making myself fool out of it. JEEZ! Sweetmind

05-10-2006, 09:41 AM	#341 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...456#post525456 YAH YAH truth is here. Who is lying about us Deaf people of Deaf community? Of course it s Traitor and audism people who did it

05-10-2006, 10:06 AM	#343 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Quit playing a MIND games if you dont mind.. and stay out of it. You stick up in the wrong side as usual. Sighs! I dont owe you any explaination if you mind..

05-10-2006, 10:40 AM	#345 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Dont even bother to ask me if you mind.. All you do is looking at the mirror and ask yourself that question first. Think of yourself too much while I m thinking about the Deaf people of Deaf community in a very postive reinforcement that is very healthy while you and your wife dont have that. Mind you! You re guilty since you said I did accused you personally however, I did not.. It shows me that is who you are. Thats what I am seeing before I can reply you from the beginning.. Bingo! Nothing new that is coming from you.

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