Why Cochlear Implants Hurt Deaf Culture? - Page 4

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

Knew few of my friends who were anti CI then now they wears CI. Interest about them, they attended CSDR, u know they are very deaf culturalists . I guess they grow up and changed their attiudes toward it and accept it. Maybe it comes with maturity as they grow older compare to young people who are still against CI.

As for me, I have no interest to getting one since I do not think I will be able to handle the noise after been deaf too long.

None of my friends that have CI today but few did wear before then stop to use CI when they are growing older. I have no minor friends though, all of them are over 18 years old. I stopped to wear it when I was in freshmen at high school in 2002. It's NOT immature reason to quit wear CI and I have other reason to stop wear it. Don't urge me to do that. That's several older men wear CI and used to hate before, it's their personal.

I'm NOT kidding about CI hurts deaf culture, for all my main opinion and same as many older deaf people said CI hurts deaf culture, many are anti-CI like me.

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Another one for your list is immunization programs. The rubella vaccination has cut the number of deaf babies being born quite significantly, with a much greater impact than CIs being implanted on profoundly deaf children. That has to have an effect on deaf culture as well.

Really??

I only know about MMR that what kind of immunization and learned from Anatomy class last year, I'm forgot again so thanks for remember.

MMR=Mumps, Measles, Rubella
It had taken when they are babies or toddlers, also same with polio. I have hard time to find out that rubella vaccination if cut many deaf babies. Most third world countries are still existing with any disease and how people can find out if their children are become deaf from born or start toddler.

Deaf population are still growing in USA due massive immigrants from Latin America are moving into USA and have higher birth rate among hispanics, it support to get many deaf children because many of them don't want their children to take immunization til children are start elementary school or pre-school. I met some hispanic families around my area that has cute deaf kids.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 09:07 PM

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Research-Based Need for Guide-By-Your-Side Program
1. Essential Role Models Hearing parents of hearing children typically rely on models of parenting they've seen within their own circle of family and friends. When a baby is identified with hearing loss, a whole host of new considerations present themselves to parents . These parents will likely have no knowledge base from which to launch into the challenge of raising this child whose experience of life will be substantially different from his/her hearing parents. Indeed, 95% of all deaf or hard of hearing babies are born into hearing families with no prior experience with deafness or hearing loss. Families of deaf children often report that they did not have adequate resources for decision making (Eleweke & Rodda, 2000; Jackson, Becker, & Schmitendorf, 2002). Studies have reported that less than 10% of hearing parents of children who are deaf have frequent contacts with deaf adults (Hintermair, 2000). These studies suggest that parent-to-parent support encourages parents and provides parents with role models as they discover their capabilities as parents and families with a deaf/ hard of hearing child.

http://www.handsandvoices.org/services/guide.htm

Which is so true! I've even said that most hearing parents has no knowledge of how to raise a deaf child nor have no knowledge what to do. That's why most hearing parents rushed into getting implants for their deafness children. What a shame!

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

http://www.handsandvoices.org/services/guide.htm

Which is so true! I've even said that most hearing parents has no knowledge of how to raise a deaf child nor have no knowledge what to do. That's why most hearing parents rushed into getting implants for their deafness children. What a shame!

Yea, I feel sad.

Most low income families with deaf children are unable to afford to get into implants, they got free hearing aids from sponser or Marines support but both of support are paying with money to help deaf people. We got free hearing aids from Marines in 1991. When I was 2 years old and doctor was urgred my parent to get me into implants so my parent said no, that's peroid because my father already know about deaf culture and he's anti-CI like me does. My parent was divorced in 1993 after they argued over stuff about me, like CI.

04-18-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

http://www.handsandvoices.org/services/guide.htm

Which is so true! I've even said that most hearing parents has no knowledge of how to raise a deaf child nor have no knowledge what to do. That's why most hearing parents rushed into getting implants for their deafness children. What a shame!

We cannot judge these parents. You have to be in their shoes first before you can fully grasp the concept of their fear, guilt, shame, shock and confusion upon finding out that their child is deaf.

Granted, doctors are pushy because CI companies pay them for sponsoring CIs but there are many and many other programs who support bilingual or ASL or SEE, etc.

If I found out my child was blind, I would be confused too adn would rush to finding something because I want the best for my own child. Blind adults may judge me and scold me for not accepting their blindness in first place but it is my own decision. Being a parent is a damn tough job and dont need more guilt trips from others.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemtun

We cannot judge these parents. You have to be in their shoes first before you can fully grasp the concept of their fear, guilt, shame, shock and confusion upon finding out that their child is deaf..

Judge them? Matter of fact I do know what it is like, because I've done my research, I also have hearing parents who were like them at first, Also I've know my deaf friends who have hearing parents too. They all walked in the same path of life, but some of them did not implanted their deaf children.

04-18-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

Don't like attention? My friend seemed to be embarrassed when I told the sales lady that we were deaf. Why are you preaching to me about my friend? You do not know her but I do. She was implanted with a CI 2 years ago at age 39 and then all of a sudden she decides to dump her deaf friends.

You are right you do not understand because you do not know me at all but you shoud be able to understand about how I felt when she pushed me away after being her friend for so long. By the way, I am not hurt anymore because I am glad to know that she wasn't my true friend at all.

Again, you do not know me and my friend. We are not you and your friend.

You didn't understand me. I didn't say why you took your friendship personally. I did not talk about that at all. I only mentioned possible ways for her not wanting to tell the lady that she was deaf because you seemed to not wonder. Now, what you misunderstood completely is what I meant to say is, why do you take it personally when people call themselves hearing or if they don't want to tell others that they are deaf? If a CI person said that, I wouldn't care in the world if they felt hearing because how do you know how they feel with the CI or how they really hear? Technically they know that they cannot hear without their CI, but if they call themselve another term when they wear their CI, so what? Why does that really matter to you or anyone? If they feel happy, I think we should leave them alone. I don't understand this part. Now, if they start claiming to people that the CI makes you hearing like hearing people, then that's another isssue. Are you just afraid that if they are calling themselves hearing that they will start to spread a misunderstanding to other people about the CI?

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemtun

We cannot judge these parents. You have to be in their shoes first before you can fully grasp the concept of their fear, guilt, shame, shock and confusion upon finding out that their child is deaf.

Granted, doctors are pushy because CI companies pay them for sponsoring CIs but there are many and many other programs who support bilingual or ASL or SEE, etc.

If I found out my child was blind, I would be confused too adn would rush to finding something because I want the best for my own child. Blind adults may judge me and scold me for not accepting their blindness in first place but it is my own decision. Being a parent is a damn tough job and dont need more guilt trips from others.

The hearing parents with blind children are pretty differnet cuz they can talk via voice and go to eye doctor.

04-18-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Another one for your list is immunization programs. The rubella vaccination has cut the number of deaf babies being born quite significantly, with a much greater impact than CIs being implanted on profoundly deaf children. That has to have an effect on deaf culture as well.

Tell me you're being sarcastic.

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

Tell me you're being sarcastic.

Why not? He/She got good point.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

, why do you take it personally when people call themselves hearing or if they don't want to tell others that they are deaf? If a CI person said that, I wouldn't care in the world if they felt hearing because how do you know how they feel with the CI or how they really hear? Technically they know that they cannot hear without their CI, but if they call themselve another term when they wear their CI, so what? Why does that really matter to you or anyone? If they feel happy, I think we should leave them alone. I don't understand this part. Now, if they start claiming to people that the CI makes you hearing like hearing people, then that's another isssue. Are you just afraid that if they are calling themselves hearing that they will start to spread a misunderstanding to other people about the CI?

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

04-18-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

http://www.handsandvoices.org/services/guide.htm

Which is so true! I've even said that most hearing parents has no knowledge of how to raise a deaf child nor have no knowledge what to do. That's why most hearing parents rushed into getting implants for their deafness children. What a shame!

What if a parent wanted a device to help their blind babies see? Should they try letting the child be blind for many years, teach them to walk a cane and read braille before they decide whether or helping them see is best or if the child wants to see or remain blind? Suppose the earlier implanted to see would help them see better (same with CI)? How is that much different from deafness? See, I don't understand why deafness is such an exception from every other disability in the world. Most parents don't know how to raise a child with any disability.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

What if a parent wanted a device to help their blind babies see?.

Read the tile of this thread, There you go, How is blind related to the Deaf Culture VS Cochlear Implants??

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

That's good point. Go Cheri...

I can't stop laugh at IceCream.

IslandGal · 04-18-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

You didn't understand me. I didn't say why you took your friendship personally. I did not talk about that at all. I only mentioned possible ways for her not wanting to tell the lady that she was deaf because you seemed to not wonder. Now, what you misunderstood completely is what I meant to say is, why do you take it personally when people call themselves hearing or if they don't want to tell others that they are deaf? If a CI person said that, I wouldn't care in the world if they felt hearing because how do you know how they feel with the CI or how they really hear? Technically they know that they cannot hear without their CI, but if they call themselve another term when they wear their CI, so what? Why does that really matter to you or anyone? If they feel happy, I think we should leave them alone. I don't understand this part. Now, if they start claiming to people that the CI makes you hearing like hearing people, then that's another isssue. Are you just afraid that if they are calling themselves hearing that they will start to spread a misunderstanding to other people about the CI?

Oh IceCream, here you go again. I am not going to waste my time to discuss about this with you.

Peace out.

04-18-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

I KNOW. I didn't say they are hearing. I can see you are concerned that if they say, "I am hearing" other people will think they hear just like hearing people. I get it. My point was, if a CI person preferred to call themselves hearing instead of deaf, who cares? I personally don't care. If they are happy, and they feel hearing after the CI, so what? To me it's like saying, a woman feels like a man and dresses like a man, but you really see a woman dressed like a man because you know her sex, and she looks like a man, yet she say she is a man to other people, but you know it's a lie! You would know that she's happy calling herself a man. Same with deaf people with CI who call themselves a hearing person.

04-18-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

Oh IceCream, here you go again. I am not going to waste my time to discuss about this with you.

Peace out.

Peace out!

IslandGal · 04-18-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

They are NOT hearing! Do your research! All CI web sites says that CI is not a cure, It does not restore hearing, It's a device that provide a sense of sound to a person who is profoundly deaf or severely hard of hearing. An implanted individual is still Deaf. If you says, It doesn't matter what they call themselves, hearing or not, It does matter, I refused to let you people lie to the society. They would find out eventually, when they do who's the one gotta look stupid?

Well said there, Cheri.

04-18-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

Well said there, Cheri.

Duh? She misunderstood also.

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

Well said there, Cheri.

Yea... true... Cheri must be win and IceCream got pwned by Cheri.

04-18-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Read the tile of this thread, There you go, How is blind related to the Deaf Culture VS Cochlear Implants??

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

I KNOW. I didn't say they are hearing. I can see you are concerned that if they say, "I am hearing" other people will think they hear just like hearing people. I get it. My point was, if a CI person preferred to call themselves hearing instead of deaf, who cares? I personally don't care. If they are happy, and they feel hearing after the CI, so what? To me it's like saying, a woman feels like a man and dresses like a man, but you really see a woman dressed like a man because you know her sex, and she looks like a man, yet she say she is a woman to other people, but you know it's a lie! You would know that she's happy calling herself a man. Same with deaf people with CI who call themselves a hearing person.

If you personally don't care why the hell did you jump all over ButterFlyGirl for? Not everyone feels it's ok to lie to the society like you feel it's ok.

**Foxrac** · 04-18-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

It won't off topic so u don't know about deaf culture.

If you want explain with anything so DISCUSS.

IslandGal · 04-18-2006, 10:21 PM

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

Really Cheri? How does parents not knowing how to raise a deaf child have to do ANYTHING with how the CI hurts the Deaf Culture? I think that's entirely off-topic.

It is not off-topic, Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children? Most hearing parents have no knowledge of Deaf Culture. I'm right on topic Hun.

**Cheri** · 04-18-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

It's different with me, Some of you know that I speak very well and a very good lip reader, and most hearing people thought I'm hearing, when I tell them I'm deaf, They said no way! You speak very well. I was honest with them, I'm not going to fool people in believing that I'm hearing when I'm not hearing.

IslandGal · 04-18-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

If you personally don't care why the hell did you jump all over ButterFlyGirl for? Not everyone feels it's ok to lie to the society like you feel it's ok.

Thank you, Cheri.
I feel it is so wrong to lie to the society even if she thinks it is okay *shakes my head*.

04-18-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

IceCream, let me give you an example.....

If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.

You make perfect sense. Maybe you could have said that you are deaf or let your friend try her way. Maybe she really didn't want any help. I personally dislike it when people help me when I didn't even try to help myself. Have you seen people who have another disability, and you don't know if you want to help them because they might get mad? I have seen a man in a wheelchair get defensive with me because he thought I thought he was stupid when I repeated something to him because I thought he didn't hear me. He eventually started to warm up to me.

04-18-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

It is not off-topic, Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children? Most hearing parents have no knowledge of Deaf Culture. I'm right on topic Hun.

Sure a lot don't, but why is it so important that they know about a 'culture'? I didn't know about the Deaf Culture myself until I was older. I doubt my mother would have found know about the Deaf Culture informative for my future. No offense, but really why is it important?

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Did you forget that most hearing parents with Deaf children had implanted their Deaf children?

I am sorry, this sentence makes no sense.

I still think it's off-topic because Angel is asking for reasons why they feel the CI is a threat to the Deaf Culture.

IslandGal · 04-18-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IceCream

You make perfect sense. Maybe you could have said that you are deaf or let your friend try her way. Maybe she really didn't want any help. I personally dislike it when people help me when I didn't even try to help myself. Have you seen people who have another disability, and you don't know if you want to help them because they might get mad? I have seen a man in a wheelchair get defensive with me because he thought I thought he was stupid when I repeated something to him because I thought he didn't hear me. He eventually started to warm up to me.

Well, actually it was both of us when the sales lady came up to us and all I did was to let her know that we were deaf after my friend spoke to her and then the sales lady had this puzzled look on her face. I wasn't helping my friend but I was helping the sales lady to know so she could speak more slowly for us or write down notes for us.

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04-18-2006, 10:21 PM	#114 (permalink)
IslandGal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,322	IceCream, let me give you an example..... If I had a CI but I don't speak very well as some of you do and a hearing person comes up to me asking me something. I then speak but this hearing person isn't understanding what I am saying. What should I do? Continue to talk but this person still doesn't understand me or let this person know that I am deaf? Of course I would let this person know that I am deaf rather than making myself look like a fool. I would rather let this person know so he or she would speak more slowly for me the next time.