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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:09 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I thought this topic was about cochlear implants???

However, I do tend to agree that the b.s. is a bit one-sided, SM.
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:20 AM   #152 (permalink)
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I dont care if it s private message but I have my rights to show the true facts of what is the real thing they did it to me and many deafies in Deaf community that people are fricking blind all along.
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:21 AM   #153 (permalink)
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For those who decide at the age of legal consent they don't want to use their CI, the off swich is there as it always was, for those who would rather not hear anything. I read one individual who had attended a deaf school and felt ostracised because others shunned them (The signers), I suspect HERE is where the battles really are, deaf people who user assistance via aids or CI's/BAHA's are being made to feel guilty and suffering lack of social interaction by some spitefult Deaf, who shun them, that is the worst of it, social inter-action is all as we know, and using that as a 'wea[on' to prolong cultural aspiration, is one suer way of encouraging others to stay well clear.
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Thank you! You have said it all except one quote. All Deaf people need to work together as teamwork. It s so sad to see this happens in America.. I know UK people are working together very well than America people. Sighs! Many d/Deaf oralism are out of their mind and turn against me and many other deafies that we want to make the difference to make it equally and have our rights to freedom.
We can have one language of ASL and SE that goes with or without orally speaking that I m looking at is really FAIR choices. I have no object for people who made their choices not by the parents who have so much prejudice attitudes that where it comes from MEDICAL professionals.
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:25 AM   #154 (permalink)
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Thank you for bringing this question up. I have said it earlier in other post topic that It s very very rude of them doing that to me or any deafies while they are using oral speaking around us. No respect for others at all.
And I'm sure you are the expert on respect. When dealing with something like respect, you might benefit from actually GIVING some in order to receive someone else's.

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Something I do not understand whats going on here. It s all about self centered as usual.. They dont care about you but themselves which is a huge problem. NOw we are in the middle of the border betweem Deaf and Hearing more than any of you think CI is the answer. Thats the problem now. Scoffs! I dont need your whine anymore after all you screwed up everything that I can see.
Let's see....self-centered...now THAT, you have a perfect handle on. After all, everything is about YOU, isn't it?

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All I can say d/Deaf people are not functionally hearing as you think you are.. What a laugh!
For some reason, I don't find this amusing. My sense of humor must be failing.

You see - it is MY belief that deaf individuals are fully CAPABLE of functioning - whether they choose to function in a hearing environment or in a anti-audist, militant extremist society like you pride yourself in doing. It all boils down to choice. That's the bottom line. Who are you to judge those who feel that they need a cochlear implant, or even their hearing aid in order to assist them in functioning in the manner that they choose?

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I can see there is all mixed up in their head and denying that they do not have any problem with CI or HA devices or hearing people in the community as I do not believe this whole story of yours. You are still miss out and do need the interpreter that doesnt mean you are functionally hearing or act like hearing.. ** rolling my eyes**
Maybe you're not functioning well in a silent world. You seem to have enough resistance for that claim to hold water.

And no, I don't see any problem with any deaf person wanting to have a CI or wear hearing aids. I suppose that my audist attitude is to blame here.

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What a amazing for a d/Deaf people act like a hearing! OH please!! I was in their shoes and know the truth. I am not gonna to lie to anybody who wants to know the truth or the facts..
You seem to lie to yourself quite well. I'll have you know that I do VERY well in a hearing society, and personally, I don't have any reservations with my lifestyle. I still consider myself to be a CI-wearing deaf person, but I'll NOT try to "follow" other people's standards by sidestepping what I feel comfortable with. I speak. I rarely use sign language unless I am with someone who requires for me to sign. I learned to sign in college and I did so out of respect for myself, my hearing loss, and for those around me who were hearing impaired. That was my choice. I may ACT as if I am hearing but that's all I learned how to do, but I'll never say I'm not deaf, either.

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ALL I AM SEEING THAT IT S NO SUCH THING ABOUT TWO WAYS STREET, It s still same old routine behavior patterns from audist attitude people. What a fun for me to read some of your post reply! Yea Kiss their arses as usual as you think you are better than anybody else. Scoffs!
When it comes from you, you're right. There's no such thing as two-way streets. Only dead ends and one way routes. The Sweetmind way or the highway, is that it?

Good luck getting people to travel in your direction. Looks like you have your work cut out for you - and this ain't something you can look up on Mapquest, either.

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YOU ARE DEAF. So be it. because you cannot hear without any devices except you can feel the noise around you. That is when it vibrates through our body that you can Feel it. We need to have our adaption first before you force anyone to have any devices.. Thats the problem they are lost somewhere in many ways all their lives.
Who said anything about force? Most of us who are posting here are old enough to make their own decisions. Contrary to popular belief, even if it's yours alone, not everyone is spoon-fed and molded to fit society by anyone other than themselves.
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:27 AM   #155 (permalink)
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For those who decide at the age of legal consent they don't want to use their CI, the off swich is there as it always was, for those who would rather not hear anything. I read one individual who had attended a deaf school and felt ostracised because others shunned them (The signers), I suspect HERE is where the battles really are, deaf people who user assistance via aids or CI's/BAHA's are being made to feel guilty and suffering lack of social interaction by some spitefult Deaf, who shun them, that is the worst of it, social inter-action is all as we know, and using that as a 'wea[on' to prolong cultural aspiration, is one suer way of encouraging others to stay well clear.
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Thank you! You have said it all except one quote. All Deaf people need to work together as teamwork. It s so sad to see this happens in America.. I know UK people are working together very well than America people. Sighs! Many d/Deaf oralism are out of their mind and turn against me and many other deafies that we want to make the difference to make it equally and have our rights to freedom.
We can have one language of ASL or BSL or JSL and one Engish language that relates to SE that goes with or without orally speaking that I m looking at is really FAIR choices for everyone. I have no object for people who made their choices not by the parents who have so much prejudice attitudes that where it comes from MEDICAL professionals.

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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:34 AM   #156 (permalink)
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How interesting to read this quote! First of all, you all know I am not a great English written. Right?? I know I am a good writer about deaf issues in many ways because I am getting more trusts and confidence in myself as being deaf that I learned to educate myself and from true experiences by me or deafies, whoever I meet. All I did the best I can express in my writings. There is nothing I can do that makes you mad or upset by my writings. That's only way I can reach out than have to lock it up inside my heart for people s sake. NO more for me!. Whats more! I am very sensitive to any issues because it ticks me off and dont like their feelings.
I'll be one of the first to admit that I've read your writings many times. I can see that you have a very limited spectrum on deaf issues. Part of being a writer is covering ALL bases and being as informative as possible and then stating WHY you agree or disagree. A good informative author should always maintain a positive attitude about the subject, even when they don't necessarily believe in it.

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I did the best I could use my heart to follow and listen from my true inner soul comes out that I could express myself freely without worrying about how people thinks of "all kind of emotional feelings" in my writings. I rather to say it that comes out from the bottom of my heart than have to fix those words to make you happy. I cannot do this anymore because I was too passive all those years for nothing meanwhile I couldnt able to speak it out for myself when I was a young child. and hate myself for being deaf.
Awwww. Don't hate yourself. Another important factor any good writer must possess is a strong self-image and self-confidence.

Bottom line - if you MIND, is - don't discount other opinions in your writings. You'll find that any potential book sales will benefit from it.
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:35 AM   #157 (permalink)
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[guote]Thank you! You have said it all except one quote. All Deaf people need to work together as teamwork. It s so sad to see this happens in America.. I know UK people are working together very well than America people. Sighs! Many d/Deaf oralism are out of their mind and turn against me and many other deafies that we want to make the difference to make it equally and have our rights to freedom.
pssssstttt quote is spelled with a "Q" NOT a "G"!
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:40 AM   #158 (permalink)
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Look at this private messages that I got it from Deaf activist (Nesmuth) who is strongly audist attitude that proves me that deafies and I were being very discriminated and oppression by audist attitude people. He is full of it and knew about this url. And I want his dishonest mess back to him since I dont want anything from Nesmuth who thinks he can bash me easily. SO that 's full of bashes back to him because it s not my bashing bags anyhow. Thanks!
This is everyone's business - how???? This can be constituted as harassment. You need to be very careful.

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One of your moderator removed someone 's post topic about crap theory / their jealousy of my ( ex deaf oralist) and Deaf 's successful in DeafChat site because we believe that we can make a difference for both Hearing and Deaf communities to work together as teamwork.. Also we advocate our true languages that relates to many Deaf miniorities in their Deaf cultures that I support them all the way.
Ever occur to you that it was removed because this isn't the place for it?

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Guess what, it s okay for Hearing people named someone in her post topic that is still active and I, myself as natural deaf person with ex HA am not allowed to say anything. SCOFFS! Thats Roadrunner (HOH)and his audist attitude I feel I am robbed my own freedom of speech with responsiblity and not respect by audist attitude people that included moderator (HAs) and Deaf activist (HAs).
Ohhh! I see! Two wrongs make a right!

Now you've harassed two people in this post of yours - two people have been named.

You're responsible only for yourself and your own behavior. If a MODERATOR does not feel your words are of appropriate value, then he has every right to remove them.

If you still have a personal grudge with a certain someone - take it off of here and address the situation where no one here has to sit through it. If you air your dirty laundry where it's not supposed to be, then you are just INVITING people to get involved and things will get ugly.

Common courtesy!
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Unread 03-24-2006, 09:56 AM   #159 (permalink)
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Huh? Sounds kinda contradictory there..... What I think you're missing is that many of us dhh folks think that Sign shouldn't be just for "oral failures." We just think that hearing parents need to equip their dhh kids with ALL the tools possible, rather then being stuck in a " this is the ONLY WAY" mode. .....
I'm sorry but I don't see the contradiction. I am in fact agreeing with you. I am saying I will try anything that works. And just because something doesn't work today doesnít mean I am throwing that tool away. It will always be there incase it works down the road. As my comment states, I will not get stuck on a single solution but that doesn't mean I am going to only try one thing at a time either. I totally understand that he will need a multiple of solutions and apply what is appropriate to a given situation.
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A lot of us are very happy that things like Cued Speech or oral training worked for us.....it's just that we're wondering WHY we had to work so hard with only ONE tool........
I will expose him to as many tools as are available and let his natural capabilities decide which one gets focused on. This I am sure will change as time goes on and he learns more resulting in a "toolbox" of communication solutions he will be able to pull from.
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A parent first needs to figure out which language should be their kids' first language.......and THEN build a library of choices from there. ........
Pardon my ignorance but I am not sure what you mean. English is what we speak and that is the language of choice. Additionally, the schools that he attends are teaching total communication methods which I happen to agree with. This gives him the exposure to the library that you mention. They also focus on signed English vs. ASL because they are attempting to teach proper English. It seems that signed English would be more cumbersome for personal communications but it does teach literacy, (or should I say proper English). To me ASL appears to be an efficient way to communicate with your hands. So I like the fact that he is learning SE for proper English but I also believe he needs to learn ASL for personal communications not to mention other methods as well.
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Your SON/CHILD needs to be the one to decide when and where he can use those tools. The parents' ONLY responsibilty is to make sure a dhh kid HAS those tools in the first place.....
I completely agree with that however my son is not able to make those choices yet. His "toolbox" doesn't contain anything other that a few signs that he has learned. He is not doing so well with the sign language or written but he is really excelling in the phonics they are teaching him. He also does outstanding in math. I understand that every kid is gonna learn at different paces and one kid will do well with a given method while another wont. I am very happy that the schools are adjusting the curriculum around his needs and not applying one solution to the entire class. I really applaud them for that. The first goal is communication in any form. I don't care what that is... he needs to be able to communicate.

My comment about him being shunned by the natural deaf is based on what I am learning here about the separatism that appears to exist within the deaf community. Please take this comment with a grain of salt. This is my opinion (and please correct me if I am wrong). There appears to be division within the deaf community. The naturally deaf, vs. those that use some sort of device, vs. the tweeners and then there are the audist. I really don't understand what an audist is and would like someone to explain that to me. And there may be even more division between how one chooses to communicate be it ASL, Cued, SE etc.

Since I am hearing, there is a lot I don't understand about the deaf community. I admit that but each day I am learning more and more thanks to this site and folks like you. I don't understand it all and I don't even know that our approach to his learning is correct. There are many different opinions and approaches out there which make it even more difficult to decide. I don't know it all and this whole thing scares the shit out of me. Am I making the right decisions? Is he progressing? When do we try something new? I have never experienced this before and I am really flying by the seat of my pants here. But one thing is for sure, I am not going to make my decisions by rolling the dice or sitting on my ass hoping for the best. I am going to educate myself as much as I can. That includes recommendations by the school system, my personal learning of the deaf community, and hearing the comments from people in here.

I just want to tell all of you that I am very happy you are all here and appreciate all of your comments weather I agree with them or not. Even getting bitched out by Kalista for using the term handicap. While her response felt like a punch in the stomach to me, it taught me a valuable lesson. I welcome your insight, your anger, your triumphs and anything you can offer. Sometimes I feel like a deer caught in the headlights.

Thank you all.
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Rockdrummer -

Your post was very well written.

You will not find the word "audist" in the dictionary. I would suggest asking the person who uses it the most what THEY define it as. Basically, the poster who overuses this word is using it in a negative manner.

Welcome to AD, by the way - I see you're relatively new here. As you can see, there are quite a few conflicting opinions as far as CI's are concerned as well as the other "tools" you mentioned.

I applaud you and anyone else who chooses to make use of all of these options. Because one is deaf does not automatically render it forbidden to, if they're capable, make use of the several other choices that are presented to them - be it HA's, CI's, neither one, both of them, to speak or to sign, and so forth.

I chose to get the CI - I was pressured, yes, but in the end, I chose what I thought would be beneficial to me as a mother raising two small children and a young baby. In no way did I lose sense of what I am - and that's deaf. However, if I succeed all the while I've made my own choices, then I'm happy.

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Very good, Rockdrummer! For a hearing person, you sure have a handle on things; you have the gift of discernment by being open to any and everything thhat will work/apply to your child. Half the battle is over! I'm glad your'e here, too as I can see that you have the ability to ascertain what's best for your child in spite of some of the commentary that goes on here. Yours will be a well-rounded child!

Do you mind telling us the name of the school your child goes to? It sounds like a good one that takes an individualistic approach to the education of the students attending....
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http://groups.msn.com/DREN-DeafRight...36710486705447

http://deafness.about.com/cs/deafculture/a/audism.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=audis...&start=10&sa=N

Thats for you, rockdrummer

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You will not find the word "audist" in the dictionary. I would suggest asking the person who uses it the most what THEY define it as. Basically, the poster who overuses this word is using it in a negative manner. .....
Thanks for your kind words. Itís funny though that you say this and yet the picture you use says ďI smell an audist!Ē What is meant by that?
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Do you mind telling us the name of the school your child goes to? It sounds like a good one that takes an individualistic approach to the education of the students attending.....
Thank you for your kind words also. Hmmm.. my gut tells me not to reveal that specific information on the web to strangers. While I am sure you are well intended, please put yourself in my shoes. What I will tell you is that my child is in Illinois school district 44. I donít know if itís the schools decision as much as itís the teacherís recommendations that allow for these curriculum adjustments. Obviously the school has to support the teacherís recommendations.


Thank you Sweetmind. This is very helpful. After reading these descriptions it seems to me that audist equates to prejudice and discrimination. Do I have that correct?

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Thanks for your kind words. Itís funny though that you say this and yet the picture you use says ďI smell an audist!Ē What is meant by that?
Thank you
My purpose for using the avatar is to simply prove the point that you appear to have gotten just by reading the links provided to you above. My way of being smart-arsed since "audist" or at least some of these harebrained perceptions of what an audist is - pertains to me as well as any other deaf individual who thrives in an oral society.


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Thank you Sweetmind. This is very helpful. After reading these descriptions it seems to me that audist equates to prejudice and discrimination. Do I have that correct?
It would appear so, yes. Anyone who is "audist" is no friend of Sweetmind's.
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I feel trapped between both sides Hearing and deaf and deaf oralism people thats the purpose for me to mention the audist attitude means in other post. So I guess they dont get the light blub yet.

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Catzia 's I couldnt explain why but truth is its about YOU and your comfort .. sometimes people doesnt give any respect .. as for dogs.. honestly dogs really something else you wouldnt know what they know this minute you get him.. ITS ABOUT LOVE AND TRUST..
as for CI and dogs or cats i call them being self centered people which its truth.... if you love yourself being deaf like chit happens but move on.. comeon its same thing to animals if they just happen like this love them no matter what they are just same as you.. dont ya see ?
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Thank you for your true expression that you have a feeling for a dog and love yourself first. It is the true perfect explaination about mental and emotional feeling issues. Beautiful job, catzia. You said it all.

Of course, now you see why I stand up for d/Deaf children that should treated the same, too . It s more of natural true feelings that no one can conform our true souls. Thank goodness I have an opportunity to have my own emotional feelings that connects a warm love inside my heart instead of being passive and suffers with the mental and emotional abuse that is a abusive issue inside their heart to built up angry or frustrated. That goes to their heart that has been abused to be storage for years and years that is already damaged their emotional feelings as A Big Scar. That 's a real self centered for anybody who bashed people with ex HA or CI users. I have seen it myself that turned me off when I saw audist attitude people did this nowdays. **shaking my head** I support them no matter what after all they are a natural deaf people who should not be reject in Deaf community as well as it s a proven what I am seeing here. They suffered by someone who messed around our Deaf ears if you mind while they rejected them as the invisible d/Deaf natural people.

Thats what audist attitude people taught many deaf/hearing into a very negative view of deafness or d/Deaf people in this society. And their power, greedy, and control deafies life that robbed my , and deafies' life and my and their own whole family 's life because they have our opportunity for having a big time loss for not having ASL at home or mainstream / deaf school. That's very unreasonable to take our true language away from d/Deaf children 's rights. So there!

After all those years, Sufferings / Pains that deafies I had since two years old with HA or CI devices now we are not using it anymore. So therefore where is ASL for our rights? I dont think it should be hearing 's way too much because they are not deaf or understand what s it alike to be deaf. How could you let it happens to you after all you are not a hearing person with HA or CI.. Face it the reality .

I am so glad I have a chance to feel great about myself as a True Natural Deaf Identity and have a true language with my hands to communicate with anybody in this society nowadays. And also, it takes a long time to heal the heart from A BIG SCAR that has been damaged on the right spot all the time.

That's the answer. Take away our healthy mental and emotional feelings about our deafness or believe in ourselves and a true language that goes with our Deaf rights.
Thats a real answer that we all have a serious problem by audist attitude people.. It s really screwed up for all of us.

Thats not how I treat people like that. Thats what it gives me impression that negative people influenced others how they think it has to be this way while it s very offensive for me. I just dont feel too comfortable about everything for what people s prejudice or discrimination affects us like that. It needs to be stop this abusive going on for years and years.

ASL and Signed English combines altogether as equal that helps us deafies and d/Deaf Blind with their braille code. You think ASL makes us not to speak our d/Deaf voices. I find this is a real outrageous for you to think that way. I will say it s good to have oral speaking with ASL because it s from word to word that we can understand it better. Thats our oral method survival kit that we need to have the encouragement of fun things to learn which is fine with me but force or conform or manipulate us into a hearing person that is out of the question. Does it makes sense to you? Dont expect us to hear like a hearing people can normally hear or speak well or read their kind of different lip movements 100 percent with our devices. Face the Deaf Reality!

I am very discouraged people are abusing d/Deaf children way too much for years and years from audist attitude people.. IT NEEDS TO BE STOP.

Get on with the natural method of ASL and enjoy with A LOVE and BOND between parents and d/Deaf children that is the most important thing in the beginning of our life. It is way much better than having all those artificial languages.. Thats our Deaf adaption that it should allow their children to have that chance to be themselves as a Deaf kid first.

Sighs! People are hurting you with your own struggles. I will not tolerate this kind of old behavior pattern that continue until todays from the past years. So therefore you dont need a HA/ CI as required because MEDICAL said so. That gives me the impression, thats how I see it. Thats a lie!!!

For god 's sake! Wake up!!

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Sweetmind, action speaks louder than words.. I am curious about what you have done to help improve our Deaf situation?

Perhaps we can start working on a solution together. I'm not interested in words. They are nothing. Action is everything.

Let me know!
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Thank you Sweetmind. This is very helpful. After reading these descriptions it seems to me that audist equates to prejudice and discrimination. Do I have that correct?
Yes you are that correct.
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Yes you are that correct.
That being said, wouldn't you agree that using such terms in the manner that you do can also be described as prejudiced and discriminating?
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Sweetmind, action speaks louder than words.. I am curious about what you have done to help improve our Deaf situation?

Perhaps we can start working on a solution together. I'm not interested in words. They are nothing. Action is everything.

Let me know!
I have done it a lot different philosphy of mine from theirs because I am still get the same feelings what audist attiude people use too much oralism s way that where they learned from audist attitude people that carries on and on and on.. I dont agree with this kind of attitude. Thats all to it! It s way too much about oral method s behaviors that many parents are getting it from one sided.

I did but they are too busy overlapping my writings that I am thinking of other people with disabilities's right to have ASL as a true language too. It s not all about me I m talking about a natural deaf people with or without HA/ CI. They have the similar problem that I have nothing to be ashamed of telling the truth. Thats my goal to get our d/Deaf adaptions and d/Deaf mental and emotional to be healthy again. We were fine babies from day 1 to 2 years old then all of sudden parents has change the view of our deafness. What s that supposed to be? It s not necessary at all.

Okay now I am considering to have my hearing child to be a deaf person so I have my right decision to have them to become deaf. Thats the same concept here. All of sudden I am so wrongdoing it. It is okay for Hearing people do this. Wow there is a real something wrong here. Audist attitude people disagreed with me. What a joke! I disagree with those MEDICAL professionals and audist attitude people s negative view of our Deafness as one - sided again. Thats what I am seeing nowadays. TOO OVERRATED about oralism issues. That s turn me off completely. it s totally here..


Change your attitude and Resepct all kind of deaf people and d/Deaf /Hearing disabilities with their own different cultures not just for deaf oralism only . Thank you! And also you missed out the one importance of good example of audist attitude with two faced. Thats why I felt offended by this action that has removed it from here. I felt it s not right at all because it s okay for hearing people to say someone s SN because it bothers her too. and Now I cannot say anything.. Thats what it turns me off. Their many hidden messages that is that you dont know the truth.. Sighs! What a very immature two faced of being advocate for Deaf community thats when we strongly believe in that stands up for a good reason.

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Unread 03-24-2006, 11:49 AM   #170 (permalink)
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I have done it a lot different philosphy of mine from theirs because I am still get the same feelings what audist attiude people use too much oralism s way that where they learned from audist attitude people that carries on and on and on.. I dont agree with this kind of attitude. Thats all to it! It s way too much about oral method s behaviors that many parents are getting it from one sided.

I did but they are too busy overlapping my writings that I am thinking of other people with disabilities's right to have ASL as a true language too. It s not all about me I m talking about a natural deaf people with or without HA/ CI. They have the similar problem that I have nothing to be ashamed of telling the truth. Thats my goal to get our d/Deaf adaptions and d/Deaf mental and emotional to be healthy again. We were fine babies from day 1 to 2 years old then all of sudden parents has change the view of our deafness. What s that supposed to be? It s not necessary at all.
Only Sweetmind's writings are to be taken seriously. Really.

Get OVER yourself. People are ALLOWED to overlap your writings by way of agreeing to disagree.

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Okay now I am considering to have my hearing child to be a deaf person so I have my right decision to have them to become deaf. Thats the same concept here. All of sudden I am so wrongdoing it.. Audist attitude people disagreed with me. What a joke! I disagree with those MEDICAL professionals and audist attitude people s negative view of our Deafness as one - sided again.
Whaaaaatttt?????????????

It is a medical professional's JOB to provide all sorts of avenues, even if it's advising. In the long run, it's the individual's choice to live in the manner they see fit and the manner in which he or she is comfortable.

Pertaining to CI's - it's out there, so yes, medical professionals are going to endorse it - not as a solution but as an option.

Foreign concept to someone like, oh, let's see...YOU....but that's just the way it is.
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Hey, Malfy... sometimes things are all good and well when all options are presented... but it does seem a bit unfair to me that in Norway deaf children will get better care if they get CI (words of a mom who has a child with CI) than if they didn't get CI at all. I don't understand why some people are biased pretty when it comes to those things.. note I didn't say ALL people. *giggle*
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Hey, Malfy... sometimes things are all good and well when all options are presented... but it does seem a bit unfair to me that in Norway deaf children will get better care if they get CI (words of a mom who has a child with CI) than if they didn't get CI at all. I don't understand why some people are biased pretty when it comes to those things.. note I didn't say ALL people. *giggle*
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The point to be made is nobody needs to feel trapped between deaf culture conformities, or Hearing ones, we are a SEPERATE sector, recognise THIS. As for the let's get together bit, c'mon, this is NOT about unity, it is about need being recognised as well as individuals. Whenever non-cultural deaf or hearing loss people put the point 'we are here too and want different access or support' THEN we get the unity view used against us ! This is unfair, and I put it, irrelevant. QUOTE: I thought this was about CI's". It is about US, and all has a bearing on the debate.

The anti-CI view is predominantly one that comes from the signing community, the PRO view is predominantly from those who have various losses of hearing or acquired deafness, despite attempts by deaf activisim to suggest it is a 'hearing' thing, it ISN'T, it's OUR view. Face US and stop attacking others, as deaf people too, we are not going to automatically support things we do not agree with, if we feel a CI will benefit, we'll take it ! If we feel sign lamnguage willhelp we will use THAT too, but we will not feel we owe culture anything, communication rights are for all.

The unawareness of the established 'Deaf Community' is really mind boggling, they do not know how we feel, act, or think regarding the fact we cannot hear ! It never stops them telling us to support THEIR idea of how deafness should be seen (The deaf 'Image'). I will respect anyone that respects me, but it is a 50-50 deal, sign users HAVE to accept we support CI's, oral usage, and whaetver else we may find floats our boat, or we will never respect your culture or ASL/BSL.

Tough talking, any unity has to be balanced, that means concessions need to be made, deaf culture seems NOT able to make these concessions, so unity is not possible, just co-eistence with occasional spats like this ! If their access helps us, we'll support it, if it goes against ours we won't. I'm hanging on no-ones shirt tails. It doesn't have to be immovable force meets unmovable object, but if that's the way...
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http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...578#post490578 Perfect example here..

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http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...578#post490578 Perfect example here..

Have a Happy Reading!!!

I read the term 'Audist' and I'm afraid my attention wanders I'm afraid. It's not a term we in the UK recognise. A lot felt it was anti-hearing campaigning, which isn't helpful, and it wasn't made clear the difference between someone who was deliberately abusive, and anti-deaf and someone who just couldn't follow or is unaware. I know Americans are fond of this new word, but it's not used properly is it ? Using it as a weapon to 'bash' hearing people doesn't help us. We all know life is unfair, and laws are just printed words on paper, so it's down to us as it always is to make it CLEAR how communication works for us, and what doesn't. If a deaf person is just quoting rights in people's faces and intransigent, then this will delay people making effort, not assist it. People respond to a smile and a bit of leeway, less so to someone 'In your face' and looking aggressive. we've (I have !), wandered off topic a bit, sorry. Everything we discuss is relative, as deafness/loss is the ultimate democrat, it picks anyone ! Maybe some prefer this or that mode, that's all it's about really, we often can't agree on accepting this.
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Wow. This is the first time I have heard cued speech mentioned in a long time. Did you grow up using CS? It is not a well-known phenomenon on the West Coast, with the scarcity of knowledge, resources, and support networks here, but it is on the East Coast, to the best of my knowledge. One of my best childhood friends was proficient in CS. I used to communicate with him by CS, even though my proficiency wasn't up to his par. He moved to Maryland, though, because there is a huge community of CS users there and his family wanted more support for him.

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I grew up using English.

Understanding and knowledge of CS continues to make steady progress.
having said that, there is still confusion amongst some groups. I am fortunate to have the opportunity of the internet to assit in the clarification of CS.

Ultimately, CS is about literacy, language and communication.

How nice of you to have had the opportunity to use CS.

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May I be so bold as to inquire, do you yourself, read phonetically?
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LOML is a hearing person. Whats that supposed to be wow?? some deafies converts from Cued speech to ASL after school.. Please find a book that you need to read it. There is a NO WOW and true language.. it s related to ORAL method. sighs!

For heaven s sake!

Sweetmind,

Actually, I would indeed say WOW to CS as it has proven itself time and again as an effective tool for literacy. CS is the system and for me English is the language represented. CS has never stated that it was a language.

As far as your "oral" comment, I see this same reaction over and over again with Deaf people. CS could be used with the oral method, if that was the choice that the parents made. I have seen and heard profoundly deaf people talk rythmically like the other members of their families, that is their choice.

It is very apparent to me, that you have not had the opportunity to learn CS.

For people who are intrigued by CS, I recommend the following book:

"The Cued Speech Resource Book for Parents". Dr. R. Orin Cornett
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And I didn't know LOML is hearing. Thank you for sharing.

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I am hearing, I am female, I am Canadian, I am dark haired(most of the time), I am fair skinned with freckles, and so on and so on.......
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I am hearing, I am female, I am Canadian, I am dark haired(most of the time), I am fair skinned with freckles, and so on and so on.......


I'm hard of hearing,I'm male,I'm from Europe,I have brown hair, I'm white skinned ... LOL

Whenever there is a thread about CI ,after all the thread is turned to be a battle between sign users and hearies .. WHY !
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Hmmm....I thought this thread was about " Cochlear Implants " but seems it's heading to a totally different direction, to the point where I'm totally lost here...


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