Frisky Feline

ha. not me. i wore my hearing mold since i was 2. i dont remember if i ever had an infection before. :p lol

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Cloggy

"accepting the HA life"... So... You are going to use a HA even when it is of no use... Impressive....
Choosing to hear nothing with a HA.....

Because as long as you benefit from a HA you don't need a CI.. It's not a choice between HA or CI. it's a choice between hearing and not hearing...

But it sure sounds tough..
"not go under the knife, accepting the HA life."
Irrelevant... but sit sure sounds as if you know what you are talking about...

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BleedingPurist

To be fair, when one is eligible for a CI, it doesn't mean they cannot get anything out of a hearing aid. It likely means their speech discrimination scores are very poor. Using a hearing aid even with a profound loss can help with speech reading. You are also likely still able hear environmental sounds.

I began paying attention to CIs around 2002 or so when a friend of mine got one. I was pretty clueless about them before then and had the impression they were extreme, crude, and nothing like real hearing. I figured I should probably learn more about them in case the day ever came that I lost my remaining hearing. Sure enough, 3 years later I was forced to get serious about it and do real research into it.

The thing is... I had qualified long before then, I just didn't know. The amount of hearing you have at those levels with a hearing aid can be deceptive to the user. It seems like you are hearing "everything except for high pitched sounds and consonants in speech" at least for those who shared my common slope with high frequencies impacted more severely than low frequencies.

So a choice between a CI or HA isn't necessarily a choice between hearing or not hearing, though sometimes it takes getting to that point to make you consider a CI.

Frisky Feline

I rather not have surgery anything in my OWN head. It is not a life threatening.

TXgolfer

It's a pretty minor surgery really. Doc says it will be like removing a mole compared to what I have had already

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How else do they "install" those, duct tape?

Frisky Feline

remove a mole is nothing. CI is cutting and opening the skin of the head and drill to make a hole of skull :shudder: My husband threw up a lot from it. My hub said, "one surgery for CI is enough!". He knew it is a very serious surgery and he hated it.

Bottesini

Get the surgery, then tell us all about how it feels.

I know several people who had it. They didn't think it was minor, and it took quite a while for recovery.

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The thing is we don't know what he has already had. Thus, we don't know what he is comparing it to.

Oceanbreeze

That is correct, Jane.

Compared to heart surgery, a CI surgery is nothing. It's probably comparable to a tonsilectomy. Not technically difficult to perform, but, the recovery CAN be difficult for some people. Children tend to fare better than adults do.

Since you are drilling a crevice into the skull to sit the eletrodes, you must allow that bone to heal over. That is why they allow some time for the site to heal before they acitvate you. Depending on the surgeon, this can be anywhere from a few days to a month. Therefore, I can certainly understand why some wouldn't want to have it done. However, I also have an issue with bashing these parents for allowing a child to go through it. It's all about parental choice and personal choice. No one can judge someone elses' decisions for themselves OR for their child.

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AlleyCat

That's ridiculous. You're totally right that we don't know what he already has had or is comparing it to, but the first statement "It's a pretty minor surgery, really." No, it absolutely isn't. Botts is right: come back when you have had yours and tell us how that was.

BleedingPurist

Ok... I had mine. I didn't need pain pills and other than the sensation of a lot of pressure that could not be relieved, similar to flying on a plane,.. I was perfectly fine and completely back to normal with no pressure in less than a week. I was also back at work within 2 days. Yes, different people will have difference reactions.. but the FACT is CI surgery is MINOR.

However, you are free to continue to try to declare a surgery that is done on an out-patient basis with the patient going home after a few hours on the same day as major. Just know that it undermines your own intentions by showing others you don't use facts to support your arguments.

Jiro

sounds like your doc is a quack

... or you misunderstood him

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Frisky Feline

yeah. some of them had to stay at the hospital for the overnight. some of them puked, some of them puked begged for a pain killer. so its still a major surgery.

Frisky Feline

I agree,

AlleyCat

I do believe you because you had the surgery, so thank you for sharing. I like your truthfulness. I don't like it when people who didn't experience something (whether it's a surgery or ANYTHING else) pretend to know how something is.

And yes, everyone has different reactions. We all read here about Angle's unfortunate reaction that took her weeks to get over, unfortunately. I just would never go so ridiculously far to compare this to something like tonsil surgery, sorry.

Not everybody here has a hidden agenda.

BleedingPurist

People puke after surgery. I've puked every single time after all of me surgeries. That is due to the anesthesia.

Frisky Feline

Yes. I had anesthesia before. I puked too from different surgery. I had no experience with CI, so Some of them said that they kept swallowing from inside the head that had liquid thingy that make them pukes within a few days later. Its normal and i still think its a major surgery to me. I saw it all. It was so scary for me.

Jiro

you poor bastard....

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BleedingPurist

Angie's reaction is unfortunate, but not common. Most people have surgery experiences similar to mine. People can have similar unusual reactions to other minor surgeries. It looks like she has difficulty with surgery in general, so it wasn't really unexpected with her.

It's not a fun thing to do. I said before I was extremely nervous when they wheeled me in. The sensation after the surgery wasn't fun either, but it wasn't really all that bad. In hindsight, the surgery was just a blip on the whole path and doesn't register as a traumatic experience. I was just so glad to wake up afterwards and realize it was all over. Then I promptly puked .

BleedingPurist

I also had psychedelic experiences when they were using the gas on me as a child. I'd feel an odd sensation throughout my body and then begin to hallucinate with odd music that resembled house music in my head, though it had yet to be invented.

I refused to let them use the gas on me for the CI surgery.. at least not while I was awake. They put me out using the IV.

naisho

For clarification purposes, I don't think there are many, if there are any, with an agenda against having Cochlear Implants here on AD.
There are many who have an issue with early implantation of infants and babies and that is completely understandable.

Please distinguish between the two before pointing the wrong fingers, it'll cause unnecessary mud slinging and arguing.

It's kind of similar to the aspect of circumcision of male infants at birth. There is a perfectly valid clause for people to be against it. Replace the word 'circumcision' with CI and it's the exact same debate.

zajko

Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I'm still fascinated by the fact that in the U.S. CI surgery is an out-patient surgery while in my country people after CI surgery stay at least 4-7 days in the hospital..
Maybe I can ask our CI surgeon about that (if my second CI will be approved, otherwise I won't see him)

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CSign

For clarification purposes: Are you saying one is right, and one is wrong? Or are you saying they are both right, depending on the individual?

naisho

For re-clarification purposes: I said there is a perfectly valid clause for people to be against Cochlear Implantation for infants, just as people may be against circumcision.

There is nothing more to be read out of what is being said in that post.

I am not looking forward to seeing arguments from any pro-infant implantation in this thread again and I don't expect anti-infant implantation arguments to surface when they don't appear. Please respect the opinions of the other position on infant implantation and we can all move on.

This goes just so the record is set straight, the majority of people here are not against adult CI implantation.

BleedingPurist

I actually disagree with the analogy between circumcision and CIs. In one scenario you are removing a body part unnecessarily. In the other, you are adding a sense....nothing is being removed. It would work if the child was born with a malformed penis lacking a foreskin and a surgical procedure was done to add foreskin.

Bottesini

Analogy correct. Both procedures alter the body.

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cdmeggers

I have a friend who recently had CI surgery... she had to stay overnight, but that was because she got 2 CIs in 1 surgery (she had her old CI replaced, and decided to go bilateral at the same time). She's had a rough time recovering (lots of dizziness), and recently had only the left CI turned on. She's still struggling with dizziness and a lot of tinnitus, and isn't at all impressed with the CI sounds yet so far (but hopefully that will improve for her). I feel bad for her.

Myself, I had no dizziness or anything. I did get sick a few hours after surgery, but after that I was fine. I did get sick again for a couple of days the next week, but I think I rushed it in getting up and going so that was partly my own fault. Had very minor pain, and preferred to take ibuprofen over vicoden to help with the pain. I would probably more than likely go bilateral for myself and go through this again, whenever it gets to the point where the hearing aid is no longer of any benefit to my right ear.


Zajko, different countries will have their own methods of dealing with CI surgery. Here in the US it is generally done as an outpatient procedure (unless the patient hasn't recovered just enough to go home and end up staying overnight). But I don't think one should need to stay in the hospital for a few days after the surgery, not unless they were having serious problems that requires medical attention. At least 1 night is understandable. But again, each country will have their own guidelines.

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Frisky Feline

LOl yea the same concept and it is not a life threatening.

naisho

Try to look at it from a decisive / modular position, not from the semantics of the operation involved.

-Both are considered 'invasive surgeries'.
-Both operations, I am sure 99.9999% of all infants will be screaming in pain against having their skin, or skull in CI's operation case, cut off if they were not on anesthesia.
-Both are often decisions made by parents onto their child, whether informed or uninformed.
-Both surgeries, the children are perfectly capable of making when they are older.