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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:18 PM   #211 (permalink)
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Then let me make a suggestion. Do not go around telling people that HA is nothing but a crutch. Making it sound like it is not a tool. That is where you got off the wrong foot.
If you have a severe to severe-profound loss, it is nothing but a crutch. It is a very limited tool at that point.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:20 PM   #212 (permalink)
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A CI is limited as well. It does not work for everyone also. It is simply a tool like a hearing aid is.
I am glad CI helped you to function in daily life, just like I am glad that my hearing aids helps me to function in a hearing world.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:22 PM   #213 (permalink)
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what's going on here? I'm clueless. Is this some HA vs. CI?
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #214 (permalink)
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No, I was not. I know you were. I do not recommend the CI for you and never have. My point is you are trying to equate a HA with a CI. A HA is appropriate for you because you really don't rely on your hearing. You don't need and probably won't benefit much from additional hearing. A HA is not going to be sufficient for someone with your loss who is post-lingual.
Go figure that you were born hearing. Of course..
who do you think you are. Do you do always tell people what to do or run peoples life. oh yes I suppose that ASL is pretty tough for you to learn.

I feel sorry for you about relying on the sound so totally when the device goes die. ASL don't die.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:27 PM   #215 (permalink)
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I know that all too well. Again, you still have hearing that can be amplified. If you should experience additional loss, as often happens with sensorineural loss, a hearing aid will be limited in what it can do for you. A CI is not. Be mindful of the thread in which you are posting and what the topic is about. There is no argument to be had on this point.
Ha, you said that you know that all too well. then you are so full of it.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:31 PM   #216 (permalink)
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Go figure that you were born hearing. Of course..
who do you think you are. Do you do always tell people what to do or run peoples life. oh yes I suppose that ASL is pretty tough for you to learn.

I feel sorry for you about relying on the sound so totally when the device goes die. ASL don't die.
Frisky.. why do you insist on trying to argue where there is none to be had? Point out what I said that was untrue. Do you realize how often you twist statements into insults are arguments where there is none?

I'm just fine. I do know sign language. If the device dies, I'll get another one. Thanks for your concern.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:35 PM   #217 (permalink)
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Frisky.. why do you insist on trying to argue where there is none to be had? Point out what I said that was untrue. Do you realize how often you twist statements into insults are arguments where there is none?

I'm just fine. I do know sign language. If the device dies, I'll get another one. Thanks for your concern.

You are the one who were telling me that i hear too little when you do not know my hearing level. Now you tell me that i twist my statements with you and you are so full of it. Next time, don't tell people what to do, simple as that. Indeed Its pleasure to know that you know ASL.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:36 PM   #218 (permalink)
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I know that all too well. Again, you still have hearing that can be amplified. If you should experience additional loss, as often happens with sensorineural loss, a hearing aid will be limited in what it can do for you. A CI is not. Be mindful of the thread in which you are posting and what the topic is about. There is no argument to be had on this point.
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Frisky.. why do you insist on trying to argue where there is none to be had? Point out what I said that was untrue. Do you realize how often you twist statements into insults are arguments where there is none?

I'm just fine. I do know sign language. If the device dies, I'll get another one. Thanks for your concern.
Point out your untruth? Like saying a CI is not limited?? Even the most enthusiastic CI users who are honest say it has many limitations...
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I know that all too well. Again, you still have hearing that can be amplified. If you should experience additional loss, as often happens with sensorineural loss, a hearing aid will be limited in what it can do for you. A CI is not. Be mindful of the thread in which you are posting and what the topic is about. There is no argument to be had on this point.
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Frisky.. why do you insist on trying to argue where there is none to be had? Point out what I said that was untrue. Do you realize how often you twist statements into insults are arguments where there is none?

I'm just fine. I do know sign language. If the device dies, I'll get another one. Thanks for your concern.
Point out your untruth? Like saying a CI is not limited?? Even the most enthusiastic CI users who are honest say it has many limitations...
Bott you hit the nail on the head. .
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If you have a severe to severe-profound loss, it is nothing but a crutch. It is a very limited tool at that point.
Keep your thoughts to yourself if people don't agree with what is being suggested to them.

If I see more people responding angrily there will be action taken. Consider this a warning.
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Point out your untruth? Like saying a CI is not limited?? Even the most enthusiastic CI users who are honest say it has many limitations...
Compared to a hearing aid.
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Bleeding, so you know ASL. Great. then what is your ASL level again??
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Compared to a hearing aid.
can we agree that both CI and HA have limitations? pros and cons? and that both will work fine for anybody?
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Both are useful tools. Yes, both have it's limitations, and some prefer one tool over the other.
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can we agree that both CI and HA have limitations? pros and cons? and that both will work fine for anybody?
Fine by me.
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Fine by me.
perfect! I'm glad we all have come to agreement and now we can move on.

pleasure doing business with you.... even though I have no idea who you are and what you're all about but I'll give ya a pair of sunglasses for free
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Jiro, you are one hot mess.
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Both are useful tools. Yes, both have it's limitations, and some prefer one tool over the other.
Sorry Bleeding Purist but Baby is right. Everyone's hearing loss responds to technology differently, and despite the popularity of CIs, there are STILL many people with "deaf" losses (including postlingal) who benifit significently from "just" HA. Heck that's the reason why there are CI'd kids who only get poor speech understanding or who only get enviromental sounds.
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The situation regarding insurance between Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants is very different. It is true, most insurance policies do not cover hearing aids. Cochlear Implants are another matter. They can be appealed and compelled.
So forget the HA; go full speed for the implant? Seriously?
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Sorry Bleeding Purist but Baby is right. Everyone's hearing loss responds to technology differently, and despite the popularity of CIs, there are STILL many people with "deaf" losses (including postlingal) who benifit significently from "just" HA. Heck that's the reason why there are CI'd kids who only get poor speech understanding or who only get enviromental sounds.
Exactly. Those people with new HAs sometimes need to relearn how to listen. The brain plays a role in hearing. Sometimes, people forget that aspect.
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So forget the HA; go full speed for the implant? Seriously?
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Exactly. Those people with new HAs sometimes need to relearn how to listen. The brain plays a role in hearing. Sometimes, people forget that aspect.
Precisely. It's not magic. It takes work. Those people with new CI's need to relearn how to listen. The brain plays a role in hearing. Sometimes, people forget that aspect.
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So forget the HA; go full speed for the implant? Seriously?
No, that's not how it works. Everybody is required to do a trial with hearing aids to determine benefit, if they have not already been using one. The point is if you have been determined eligible insurance is not likely to stop you from getting it.
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If you have a severe to severe-profound loss, it is nothing but a crutch. It is a very limited tool at that point.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I have always had a severe loss, but my hearing aids were not a crutch for me, they allowed me to access the world around me and people who did not sign. I do not see how that is a crutch.
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I have always had a severe loss, but my hearing aids were not a crutch for me, they allowed me to access the world around me and people who did not sign. I do not see how that is a crutch.
Yes, I'd have agreed with you, too. I was very apprehensive about getting my implant. The difference is so night and day it's almost funny. Perhaps the only way to understand my POV is when you have your own implant. At the same time, as I said before.. a prelingually deafened person may not be able to derive the same level of benefit. I also made very good use of my hearing aid, but letting it go and getting implanted was an amazing jump forward beyond any hearing aid I'd had.

Someone who has always only heard through hearing aids with a profound loss may be too attached to that level of hearing to adjust to the increased input. I do see that all the time with those situations.
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Someone who has always only heard through hearing aids with a profound loss may be too attached to that level of hearing to adjust to the increased input. I do see that all the time with those situations.
They might also prefer to not go under the knife, accepting the HA life. It happens all the time. There are virtually no health risks associated with HA use.
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They might also prefer to not go under the knife, accepting the HA life. It happens all the time. There are virtually no health risks associated with HA use.
Sometimes you can get a nasty ear infection from the earmold!
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Sometimes you can get a nasty ear infection from the earmold!
Indeed! I used get them at least one a year or more. I tried to keep the antibiotic drops on hand at all times. I haven't had an ear infection in over 6 years now.
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They might also prefer to not go under the knife, accepting the HA life. It happens all the time. There are virtually no health risks associated with HA use.
Certainly possible! I developed a fear of surgery due to have numerous procedures following my first drop in hearing as a child. Those shots they gave you in your ass prior to gassing you really burned! I could hear the other kids screaming in the morning when they got theirs.

When I got my CI.. it was the first surgery since I was 10 years old. I was extremely tense while waiting to be wheeled in, so the anesthesiologist gave me something to help me relax. No shots in the ass, just an IV drip. It was much easier than what I experienced in the 80's.
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