Steinhauer

Yes, per the definition of marriage. Those rules apply to everyone equally.

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Jiro

oh? so you do support legalization of gay marriage?

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Steinhauer

There is no such thing. Same sex committed relationships are not a marriage. End of story.

Foxrac

Wake up your head.

It is not end of story...

Same sex marriage is existing today in some countries - some states in the USA, Canada, South Africa, Spain, capital city in Mexico, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Argentina and several more others.
Same-sex marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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Jiro

then it contradicts with your post #151

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JDHammer

I agree,

You yourself said EVERYONE, THAT simply means 100% of everyone in the US has the right to marriage - straight, gay, etc.

So your previous post contradicts with this one... make up your mind!

Second of all, who are you to deny anyone a right to marry he or she so chooses? You might be able to speak freely on it, but to blatantly say it's wrong, well thats your belief, just don't go on teaching others that it is wrong because it is a form of bullying.

TXgolfer

The law agrees with him. See DOMA. And as Stein said those definitions are the key. People not only have the right to their opinion.....they also have the right to vote for representatives who will make laws that they approve of.

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Jiro

so.... in other word - currently, gay people do not have that right to marriage as heterosexual people...

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JDHammer

Which sux. People are who they are, that can't be changed. But we can only try and hope to change the attitudes of others. It'll take a lot of time before it'll happen, so the best we can do is have patience.

Foxrac

DOMA was huge mistake ever and they are currently challenged in court right now and DOMA will soon goes to history.

Well, not always about representatives or voters, in some cases, gay marriage are installed by court.

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TXgolfer

That is being challenged as well.

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Jiro

the chance of that is just as much as Arizona's immigration lawsuit

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TXgolfer

We will see...

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Jiro

don't need to. I've been mostly right on legal cases like this so I'm fairly confident that DOMA will be repealed.

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Foxrac

It can be OVERTURNED, no doubt!

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Foxrac

Yup, same here.

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TXgolfer

50/50

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A California gay man's heartbreaking plea to prevent the deportation of his immigrant husband is making the blogosphere rounds just days before the couple's March 22 federal immigration court hearing.

In a blog for The Doma Project: Stop The Deportations, San Francisco resident Brian Willingham, who is banned from petitioning for his same-sex spouse Alfonso Garcia's green card under the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), writes:

"As a gay American citizen the federal government offers me zero, zilch, nada, null access to the federal rights that all married couples have. This is not an issue of separate but equal. There are no separate federal rights for married gay couples. There are no rights at all. This is not a front of the bus, back of the bus issue. This is the federal government telling us to get the hell off of the bus. They called it the “Defense of Marriage Act” when they made it law in 1996 when I was only 22 years old. But now that I am 37 and I am being persecuted by the federal government, I can tell you that DOMA is more like 'Destroy Our Marriage Aggressively.'"

Of Garcia, a Mexican native whom he describes "an integral part of our family and is there for every joyous celebration," Willingham notes, "Our lives are meant to be together –- to be here for each other, like any couple."

"So Mr. President I need your help," Willingham concludes. "I am calling on you to stop the deportation of my husband. Not with vague references to a deportation policy that has been reformed to keep families together, but with explicit written directives to stop deportations of couples like, who but for DOMA, would have access to a green card."

Earlier this month, David Gonzalez, a gay Costa Rican immigrant, was spared from deportation by a Texas immigration judge based on his same-sex marriage to a U.S. citizen in a case that was hailed as "great news" by local lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights advocates, The Houston Chronicle reports.

Sign a petition in support of Brian & Alfonso, as well as other binational same-sex couples, here.

Gay California Man Begs Obama For DOMA Reprieve To Prevent Husband's Deportation (VIDEO)

Just other sad news.

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Foxrac

Whatever about what are you believing.

No doubt to know about your stance on GLBT rights.

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TXgolfer

I don't even have a stance really. Pretty indifferent to the issue.

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Foxrac

That's correct but there are some people see you as unfriendly to GLBT rights, however I wasn't trying to offend or label you like that way.

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TXgolfer

I've never spent more than three seconds worrying what other people think about me. I'm me for me.

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Foxrac

You rather to stay away from gay rights issue?

I remember about I slapped you as homophobia and it was mistake after you clear it up over issues with GLBT rights.

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TXgolfer

It's just not an important issue to me.

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Foxrac

Ok, if you have any news or questions about GLBT so feel free to post here.

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Jiro

then there's no need for you to rouse up some feathers in this thread

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TXgolfer

Wasn't aware that I did....

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Jiro

that's why I'm telling you because it's understand that a person is not always aware the effect oneself is causing on others. try and keep yourself in check.

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Steinhauer

I have a question. Why do I get the impression every time I am reading about or discussing homosexual marriage "rights" that I am left thinking it is really an attack on people of faith? Not just Christians, but any faith that views marriage as being between a man and a woman?

Is it just me that is left with that impression?

Also, if the Federal Government recognizes marriages as being between a man and a woman, aren't they respecting an establishment of religion? In fact, if they recognize ANY marriage, isn't that respecting an establishment of religion, since marriage is inherently religious?

Well ... those were several questions ... sorry.