Marriage or Civil Union - Page 11

***naisho*** · 02-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Who me???

Babyblue!

lsfoster · 02-16-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*Kaelei*~

I support Civil Union, I have couple of gay friends and I want them to have same opportunity as straight people have. While I'm not for the Gay marriage, I'm 100% for Civil Union and I think the partner should have the right to make decision on their partner as a husband would do to the wife and vice visa. I think it's a bit unfair how wives/Husbands have the right to make a choice for their spouse if the spouse is hurt or is unable to do so when the partners who's gay or Lesbian can't, only the family members are allowed to make the choice.

Come on, We're in twenty first Century, not in nineteenth or twentieth century. I think we should take a step, to make it all equal for EVERYONE. To think of it, in 1800's, blacks were slaves until 1865 when the Civil war has ended, Women first start to vote in early 1900's, then in 1960's, the blacks now have same rights as white, then in 1970's or 80's, the bi-racial marriage are not looked down upon. Now I think it's time for the Gay/Lesbieans to have their right to have Civil Union...it's only fair to do so. I think it's time for Everyone to be treated as equal.

That's my opinion.

I have to admit, I'm a little lost. So you're for equality, but not for equality.... yes? I mean, to me "equality" isn't really a ball-park figure kind of deal. Things either are or aren't equal. In this case, civil unions and marriages are definitely not equal. If you want to support civil unions, then fine, that's your choice to give that answer in this thread. But please at least understand how ridiculous (and kind of condescending and hurtful) the second paragraph of your post seems.

How would you feel if I said, "I'm completely for equality. I mean, it's 2009, people, let's get with the times. There's no reason to treat deaf people differently than hearing people, I think it should all be equal. Which is why I support deaf-deaf civil unions. I don't support deaf marriage, and I don't support deaf-hearing relationships, but I think they should be given the equal opportunities to have civil unions with other deaf individuals. That's only fair." Does that sound right to you? Or does it sound like my statement contradicts itself?

I don't want any of this to sound mean or angry, I'm just trying to explain how your post came across. Or at least how it came across to me.

SFShawn13 · 02-16-2009, 08:52 PM

^ *applause*

Byrdie714 · 02-16-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

I have to admit, I'm a little lost. So you're for equality, but not for equality.... yes? I mean, to me "equality" isn't really a ball-park figure kind of deal. Things either are or aren't equal. In this case, civil unions and marriages are definitely not equal. If you want to support civil unions, then fine, that's your choice to give that answer in this thread. But please at least understand how ridiculous (and kind of condescending and hurtful) the second paragraph of your post seems.

How would you feel if I said, "I'm completely for equality. I mean, it's 2009, people, let's get with the times. There's no reason to treat deaf people differently than hearing people, I think it should all be equal. Which is why I support deaf-deaf civil unions. I don't support deaf marriage, and I don't support deaf-hearing relationships, but I think they should be given the equal opportunities to have civil unions with other deaf individuals. That's only fair." Does that sound right to you? Or does it sound like my statement contradicts itself?

I don't want any of this to sound mean or angry, I'm just trying to explain how your post came across. Or at least how it came across to me.

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Originally Posted by SFShawn13

^ *applause*

Well said.

Instead of studying science, maybe you should think of Law school?

**KarissaMann05** · 02-17-2009, 01:18 AM

Good post, Isfoster

Sorry, Kaelei... Yes, I do agree about equality but I just don't agree with some of your own post. Why not can't they get a marriage?

1800's - No, you can't marry an Indian-American!
1950's - No, you can't marry an Africa-American!
2000's - No, you can't marry a guy (or girl) if you are a man (or woman)!

Sound familiar? Well, guess what? One thing that you can't is... controlling a love on two couples.

Peace ^_^

lsfoster · 02-17-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Well said.

Instead of studying science, maybe you should think of Law school?

Hahaha, I've had so many people tell me that, Byrdie, you have no idea. I thought about it, but I think my general stubborn-ness and love of arguing would end up getting me in trouble pretty soon.

JamieLynn · 02-17-2009, 01:02 PM

Civil Union for me

JamieLynn

SFShawn13 · 02-17-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JamieLynn

Civil Union for me

JamieLynn

The word marriage matters to me. How dare you want to take that away from me.

Byrdie714 · 02-17-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

Hahaha, I've had so many people tell me that, Byrdie, you have no idea. I thought about it, but I think my general stubborn-ness and love of arguing would end up getting me in trouble pretty soon.

And you would be good at it.

JamieLynn · 02-18-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SFShawn13

The word marriage matters to me. How dare you want to take that away from me.

Oh anybody is free to get married however they want

JamieLynn

**Foxrac** · 02-18-2009, 03:04 AM

I know some of you were convince me to support marriage for gay people, however I could careless so much about this issue and they are deserved to get same equal, anyway.

yagazn · 02-19-2009, 04:45 PM

My lesbian friend asked me to join with her for rally protest last year Nov 2008, GLBT people marched and put up with picket, that's amazing to watch.

My family support gay marriage because they both have gay and lesbian friends, that's why. And of course my aunt who's also lesbian too and she's been with her long time girlfriend. (That's my mom's side).

Sadly, some narrow-minded people are you know anti-gay marriage because they think it's sinful and wrong.

Nothing wrong with gay marriage, It is LOVE!!!

LilCueballRulez · 02-19-2009, 05:52 PM

Oh well.. I believe in Civil Union!! I prefer is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, sorry

**Foxrac** · 02-19-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LilCueballRulez

Oh well.. I believe in Civil Union!! I prefer is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, sorry

Well, I have feeling like that way in my personality but in public, it's not equal so enough.

Anneice · 02-19-2009, 10:04 PM

Gay people should be able to get married just like any streight couple can get married who does it hurt to let them have the same type of marriage I am allowed to have? Some people just have their heads so far up their a.... there are more important things in this world than worrying about a gay couple wanting to get married just like a streight couple can I say let them do it who does it hurt I ask you? NOBODY.

If two people love each other and are willing to make that commitment to each other then they should be allowed to get married. Its just so stupid to me that people are so stubborn when it comes to this subject. I just dont get why it should bother anyone because its nobodies business who a person wants to be with and It really ticks me off when people try to force others conform to their way of life just because they think its the ONLY way to live it.

SFShawn13 · 02-20-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieLynn

Oh anybody is free to get married however they want

JamieLynn

Um, not gays.

Duh?

SFShawn13 · 02-20-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LilCueballRulez

Oh well.. I believe in Civil Union!! I prefer is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, sorry

Just like how some people think marriage is between two white people. Nice bigoted company you keep there, sweetcheeks.

SFShawn13 · 02-20-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Anneice

Gay people should be able to get married just like any streight couple can get married who does it hurt to let them have the same type of marriage I am allowed to have? Some people just have their heads so far up their a.... there are more important things in this world than worrying about a gay couple wanting to get married just like a streight couple can I say let them do it who does it hurt I ask you? NOBODY.

If two people love each other and are willing to make that commitment to each other then they should be allowed to get married. Its just so stupid to me that people are so stubborn when it comes to this subject. I just dont get why it should bother anyone because its nobodies business who a person wants to be with and It really ticks me off when people try to force others conform to their way of life just because they think its the ONLY way to live it.

Awesome post!

**Dixie** · 02-21-2009, 10:18 PM

What most people dont understand is that marriage is more than just a legal thing, its about supporting and standing with your partner in every situation imaginable, its love and all that mushy stuff. Its not just a confession before God that you commit yourself to this person for life, but its a confession and commitment you make to your partner in front of your friends and family, and more importantly its a confession and commitment you make to your partner. The only thing lacking in the American legal system is that it does not recognize these commitments as valid.

Dont get me wrong I love America but sadly we have a lot of religious fanatics in offices they shouldnt be in and they are more concerned about pushing their religious views onto everyone else regardless of whether or not it truly reflects the will of the people. There is a very clear reason of why the Constitution was based on Judeo-Christian principles but at the same time, we have a very clear seperation of Church and State. The Judeo-Christian principle follows the greatest commandment of all : To love your neigbor as yourself. The reason is to treat all men as equals in the eyes of God regardless of his or her status.

The seperation of Church and State was to keep the Church out of political affairs, this was to keep Christians from persecuting non-Christians, and vice versa.

I firmly believe that if gays can't get a recognition by the government as a married couple (I think they should), then a civil union recognition should be in place that has all the benefits as a marriage does as the UK has done.

The way I see it is that gays didnt get a vote on whether or not heterosexual couples should get married, and I believe Prop 8 became a double standard in which heterosexual people got to vote whether or not gay couple should get married. I believe Prop 8 is a boatload of crap, hopefully one day the Supreme Court will step in and mandate that same-sex marriages are in face legal and should be a right of all Americans just the same way the heterosexual marriage should be.

SFShawn13 · 02-23-2009, 01:11 AM

Lovely Dixie, that was wonderful!

lsfoster · 02-23-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LilCueballRulez

Oh well.. I believe in Civil Union!! I prefer is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, sorry

Hey, that's fine, I just believe in ONE HEARING PERSON and ONE HEARING PERSON. That's cool, right? I mean, don't get me wrong, deaf civil unions all the way!

(I mean, it's just my personal view, guys. I think that deaf people are just choosing a lifestyle that I don't agree with, sorry. I mean, there's no deaf marriage in the bible. I'm just saying....)

PowerON · 02-23-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

Hey, that's fine, I just believe in ONE HEARING PERSON and ONE HEARING PERSON. That's cool, right? I mean, don't get me wrong, deaf civil unions all the way!

(I mean, it's just my personal view, guys. I think that deaf people are just choosing a lifestyle that I don't agree with, sorry. I mean, there's no deaf marriage in the bible. I'm just saying....)

I believe in one penis and one vagina to be united.

Byrdie714 · 02-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I believe in one penis and one vagina to be united.

Looks like your poll is losing anyway......50% in favor of marriage.

lsfoster · 02-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

I believe in one penis and one vagina to be united.

Oh no, better tell any couple doing it :buttsex: that their marriage certificate doesn't count. Gotta use the other hole.

Personally, I don't know why I need to have a penis involved in my marriage. If you don't want a penis inside you to validate your marriage, PowerON, then don't tell me I need one to validate mine. K, thanks.

Byrdie714 · 02-23-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

Oh no, better tell any couple doing it :buttsex: that their marriage certificate doesn't count. Gotta use the other hole.

Personally, I don't know why I need to have a penis involved in my marriage. If you don't want a penis inside you to validate your marriage, PowerON, then don't tell me I need one to validate mine. K, thanks.

PowerON · 02-23-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Looks like your poll is losing anyway......50% in favor of marriage.

Haha... hey, it's about gay issues.

PowerON · 02-23-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

Oh no, better tell any couple doing it :buttsex: that their marriage certificate doesn't count. Gotta use the other hole.

Personally, I don't know why I need to have a penis involved in my marriage. If you don't want a penis inside you to validate your marriage, PowerON, then don't tell me I need one to validate mine. K, thanks.

Yeah yeah, we don't have to bring up about against on issues but between civil union and marriage. Just be cool.

You smell good. What kind shampoo you use?

lsfoster · 02-23-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Yeah yeah, we don't have to bring up about against on issues but between civil union and marriage. Just be cool.

You smell good. What kind shampoo you use?

Well first of all, it's a thread about civil union and marriage. If we're not supposed to talk about them, what's the point?

Secondly, what?

PowerON · 02-23-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lsfoster

Well first of all, it's a thread about civil union and marriage. If we're not supposed to talk about them, what's the point?

Secondly, what?

pardon for my crap understand that it's about gay on marriage/civil union, not about against on gay that should have benefit.

Yeah, your hair smell good. I could smell on thousand miles away.... not.

bkswva · 02-23-2009, 02:04 PM

I would rather have a same-sex marriage... However, civil union just may be the first step... Still yet, I voted "same-sex marriage".

View Poll Results: Which you would choice?
Same-sex Marriage	35	53.85%
Civil Union	19	29.23%
No answer or other	11	16.92%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

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02-17-2009, 01:18 AM	#305 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,381	Good post, Isfoster Sorry, Kaelei... Yes, I do agree about equality but I just don't agree with some of your own post. Why not can't they get a marriage? 1800's - No, you can't marry an Indian-American! 1950's - No, you can't marry an Africa-American! 2000's - No, you can't marry a guy (or girl) if you are a man (or woman)! Sound familiar? Well, guess what? One thing that you can't is... controlling a love on two couples. Peace ^_^ __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

02-18-2009, 03:04 AM	#311 (permalink)
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02-21-2009, 10:18 PM	#319 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	What most people dont understand is that marriage is more than just a legal thing, its about supporting and standing with your partner in every situation imaginable, its love and all that mushy stuff. Its not just a confession before God that you commit yourself to this person for life, but its a confession and commitment you make to your partner in front of your friends and family, and more importantly its a confession and commitment you make to your partner. The only thing lacking in the American legal system is that it does not recognize these commitments as valid. Dont get me wrong I love America but sadly we have a lot of religious fanatics in offices they shouldnt be in and they are more concerned about pushing their religious views onto everyone else regardless of whether or not it truly reflects the will of the people. There is a very clear reason of why the Constitution was based on Judeo-Christian principles but at the same time, we have a very clear seperation of Church and State. The Judeo-Christian principle follows the greatest commandment of all : To love your neigbor as yourself. The reason is to treat all men as equals in the eyes of God regardless of his or her status. The seperation of Church and State was to keep the Church out of political affairs, this was to keep Christians from persecuting non-Christians, and vice versa. I firmly believe that if gays can't get a recognition by the government as a married couple (I think they should), then a civil union recognition should be in place that has all the benefits as a marriage does as the UK has done. The way I see it is that gays didnt get a vote on whether or not heterosexual couples should get married, and I believe Prop 8 became a double standard in which heterosexual people got to vote whether or not gay couple should get married. I believe Prop 8 is a boatload of crap, hopefully one day the Supreme Court will step in and mandate that same-sex marriages are in face legal and should be a right of all Americans just the same way the heterosexual marriage should be. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

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02-17-2009, 01:02 PM	#307 (permalink)
JamieLynn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,336	Civil Union for me JamieLynn

02-19-2009, 04:45 PM	#312 (permalink)
yagazn Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Out of nowhere.... Posts: 2,965	My lesbian friend asked me to join with her for rally protest last year Nov 2008, GLBT people marched and put up with picket, that's amazing to watch. My family support gay marriage because they both have gay and lesbian friends, that's why. And of course my aunt who's also lesbian too and she's been with her long time girlfriend. (That's my mom's side). Sadly, some narrow-minded people are you know anti-gay marriage because they think it's sinful and wrong. Nothing wrong with gay marriage, It is LOVE!!!

02-19-2009, 05:52 PM	#313 (permalink)
LilCueballRulez Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mil-town Posts: 489	Oh well.. I believe in Civil Union!! I prefer is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, sorry

02-19-2009, 10:04 PM	#315 (permalink)
Anneice Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 26	Gay people should be able to get married just like any streight couple can get married who does it hurt to let them have the same type of marriage I am allowed to have? Some people just have their heads so far up their a.... there are more important things in this world than worrying about a gay couple wanting to get married just like a streight couple can I say let them do it who does it hurt I ask you? NOBODY. If two people love each other and are willing to make that commitment to each other then they should be allowed to get married. Its just so stupid to me that people are so stubborn when it comes to this subject. I just dont get why it should bother anyone because its nobodies business who a person wants to be with and It really ticks me off when people try to force others conform to their way of life just because they think its the ONLY way to live it.

02-23-2009, 01:11 AM	#320 (permalink)
SFShawn13 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 754	Lovely Dixie, that was wonderful! __________________ Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many.

02-23-2009, 02:04 PM	#330 (permalink)
bkswva Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: West Virginia Posts: 24	I would rather have a same-sex marriage... However, civil union just may be the first step... Still yet, I voted "same-sex marriage".

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