Transexual Surgery Reassigment (Male to Female)

Hwy99 · 05-05-2007, 12:21 AM

WARNING, this will show the vagina right after you click this! Also the surgery picture are just in the drawing, not reality picture.

Transsexual Sex Reassignment Surgery (male to female)

I want to hear your opinion, also I know everyone want to share too

DISCUSS IT!

Maria · 05-05-2007, 07:51 AM

Since you are interested in wantin' to know more about transexual issue, are you considerin' to try it from bein' a male to female ?

Hwy99 · 05-05-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Maria

Since you are interested in wantin' to know more about transexual issue, are you considerin' to try it from bein' a male to female ?

No. Just want to talk about it, while I rarely hear people's opinion. All I hear people's opinion about the transexuality is a mental illness. I was quite getting bored with that opinion and want to know the difference views. That's all.

And no, I would never remove my penis, I love my own penis enough

Hwy99 · 05-05-2007, 08:12 AM

Oh! I forgot, the reason why I post as Male to Female, not the Female to Male is because I can't find any much good informations about the Female to Male. There is not really many female have neopenis, and the price for the operation is way toooooo expensive than Male to Female.

So I think I would just stick with Male to Female.

shel90 · 05-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Looking at the pics, they did a good job! If it made the patient happy, then kudos to her.

I have nothing against it. Why should I since it wont affect me nor my life? People have the right to do whatever they want with their lives and bodies as long as it is not harmful.

Hwy99 · 05-05-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Looking at the pics, they did a good job! If it made the patient happy, then kudos to her.

I have nothing against it. Why should I since it wont affect me nor my life? People have the right to do whatever they want with their lives and bodies as long as it is not harmful.

Yupp very good job, and I second yours!

deafdyke · 05-05-2007, 04:28 PM

Well now, here's a question..........what percentage of people undergoing SRS, REALLY honestly need it? I gotta say, I think SOME really should undergo it, (eg like in the cases where a bit of snipping was done at birth) BUT, I really think that a lot of "transsexuality" is simply people not realizing that gender is just very arbitrary......there are more genders then just either male or female. Gender is FLUID............it's just like debates about race etc.......

Hwy99 · 05-05-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Well now, here's a question..........what percentage of people undergoing SRS, REALLY honestly need it? I gotta say, I think SOME really should undergo it, (eg like in the cases where a bit of snipping was done at birth) BUT, I really think that a lot of "transsexuality" is simply people not realizing that gender is just very arbitrary......there are more genders then just either male or female. Gender is FLUID............it's just like debates about race etc.......

There is many reason for people to do the SRS.

*That person have a boy body, but have girl's mental
*That person don't want to have penis or balls anymore
*That person just want to change their life
*That person might curious about it and want to give it try
*That person like the girl's clothes better than boy's clothes
*That person might want to get disappeared from his families and friends, and start new life
etc etc etc.......

zacburks · 03-04-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

There is many reason for people to do the SRS.

*That person have a boy body, but have girl's mental
*That person don't want to have penis or balls anymore
*That person just want to change their life
*That person might curious about it and want to give it try
*That person like the girl's clothes better than boy's clothes
*That person might want to get disappeared from his families and friends, and start new life
etc etc etc.......

just because a guy wants to wear girl clothes instead of guy clothes does not mean that is a reason to under go this process. I am gay, and im a guy... and i wear girl jeans, and sometimes girl shirts, but thats because that is wat i like to wear. not because i want to rid of my junk!

and i highly recommend that if ur a person and want to undergo this precedure just because ur "curious" DO NOT DO IT! u have to know for sure that is what u want. once its gone, it is GONE! think twice and think long and hard!
~~Zach~~

deafdyke · 03-09-2009, 10:52 PM

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*That person have a boy body, but have girl's mental
*That person don't want to have penis or balls anymore
*That person just want to change their life
*That person might curious about it and want to give it try
*That person like the girl's clothes better than boy's clothes

Virtually ALL of those are buying into stereotypes about gender.
Like I wonder how many TS people grew up in families with VERY strict gender roles. Maybe they think that there's only ONE WAY to be male or female. Maybe if our society was less strict abt gender roles, you'd see a lot less "transexxuals" There are a lot more "genders" then just male or female.

Daredevel7 · 03-09-2009, 11:15 PM

I think there should be some sort of assessment to MAKE SURE that it's what the client wants. Sexuality can be a very confusing issue, and I agree with deafdyke that gender is very fluid. Not to say that TS is "wrong" or anything, but the procedure seems so irreversible, and it's a decision not to be taken lightly. However, since the procedure is so expensive and I'm sure most insurance companies don't cover it or at least the person must fight hard to get it at least partially covered, I am sure that client has REALLY thought about it. I found the link so fascinating! The M to F surgery looks FANTASTIC!

dogmom · 03-10-2009, 12:07 AM

The trans folks I know who have undergone any or all of the re-assignment procedure or who have even begun thinking about it seemed to have reached a point where there is no other option and have been struggling alone for years; it's not something done lightly and is quite expensive and logistically difficult. The GBLTQ community has many facets just as the idea of "gender" does and people who are trans were not always accepted in the community as is mostly the case now. As far as I know, aside from all the hormones and other medical things, much counseling and other psychological preparation goes into planning for the surgery. 99% of insurance does not cover it because it is considered "lifestyle" or just a desire, not a medical need.

"love is tender and has no gender" <not of my own making - purchased button at Pridefest>

netrox · 03-10-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Virtually ALL of those are buying into stereotypes about gender.

I take issues with your kind of mentality. Why? Because you apparently don't understand that "social roles" are heavily influenced by our own biology. Animals show peculiar personalities and we don't say, "That's because they were influenced by humans!"

Males are a lot more "fixed" than females when it comes to sexuality and it has been proven over and over in many studies. You cannot apply your OWN experience and say the same for others.

Gender roles are NOT completely social-constructed. Why are apes observed to have similiar roles as we do even tho they have no language like we do? Simple... biology shaped them to be like that. Why are some species observed to have males working for a female while others show the opposite? They don't socially "agree" on something. It's all biological and innate.

Human females will ALWAYS be the "submissive" gender and males the "dominant" gender, no MATTER how hard you try to "equalize" both genders. It just doesn't work. That's why I find feminism a failed idealogy - it subverts the human nature. It only works for a SMALL percent of people and so far, Darwinism never favored them.

Sex assignment surgeries are for people who are convinced they're the opposite gender and they have ALWAYS been that way. There's a damning evidence that they have this belief since infancy and we have no clue why it happens. No one was there to "feminize" those boys, while biologically born male, somehow something in their brains are telling them that they are female even tho they were way too young to understand about gender roles. We also have people who operated on newborn boys and removed their penises and try to raise them as girls... and they failed miserably. Virtually all became extremely mentally ill and many died young. So much for "gender is purely a social construct."

That goes the same with races. Cut with race as being purely a social construct. It's too dangerous and we've seen enough damage done with that false idealogy.

Daredevel7 · 03-10-2009, 11:43 PM

You're forgetting one thing. We have high intelligence. This is why we have religion and animals don't. This is why we have feelings of being in love and major depression and animals don't. Can't the same be said about gender roles?

netrox · 03-10-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

You're forgetting one thing. We have high intelligence. This is why we have religion and animals don't. This is why we have feelings of being in love and major depression and animals don't. Can't the same be said about gender roles?

Of course, our intelligence is what sets us apart from animals BUT we are STILL influenced by our own biology.

Why not use your intelligence to overcome your OWN "gender" role? Intelligence does NOT make us gay or straight or bisexual. Intelligence does NOT make us more submissive or more dominant. Intelligence does not make us more peaceful or more violent.

Daredevel7 · 03-10-2009, 11:58 PM

There are gender roles but who is to say that they HAVE to be dedicated by our sex? I mean, you use animals as an example, I know that female dogs who display dominance on male dogs. What does that say?

netrox · 03-11-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

There are gender roles but who is to say that they HAVE to be dedicated by our sex? I mean, you use animals as an example, I know that female dogs who display dominance on male dogs. What does that say?

We are still bound by our own biology limits. when you talk about a female dog showing dominance on a male dog, it's not the "norm" and it is usually a short term effect. Even women have moments of dominance and that's likely because of testerone levels being high. Hormone levels vary at times.

Look at ants - male ants work for the queen... they are literally slaves and they all submit to the queen. The queen is bigger and stronger so she establish her dominance over them. If they are given intelligence, they will STILL be assigned "gender roles" because evolution has consistently showed that when gender is bigger and stronger than the opposite, they are 'dominant' and there's nothing you can do about it.

And black widow spiders.. they kill men after sex! That only shows that males are STUPID and if they have intelligence, they would probably sell books like "Why men are stupid!" or "why men are intellectually inferior" or "why women love killing men."

WhiteWolves64 · 03-11-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Oh! I forgot, the reason why I post as Male to Female, not the Female to Male is because I can't find any much good informations about the Female to Male. There is not really many female have neopenis, and the price for the operation is way toooooo expensive than Male to Female.

So I think I would just stick with Male to Female.

Hey PuyoPiyo, I have information about SRS on FTM (female to male) so here's the link Phalloplasty | The Gender Centre Inc. and Online Alchemy - The Art of Loren Cameron (this one is two different kind of surgeries for FTM)

pathymo · 03-12-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

You're forgetting one thing. We have high intelligence. This is why we have religion and animals don't. This is why we have feelings of being in love and major depression and animals don't. Can't the same be said about gender roles?

You are confusing intelligence with sentience. Many animal species are said to be "non-sentient".

But, if you think animals don't have feelings of being in love or major depression, I strongly suggest you look at documentary footage of KoKo the Gorilla. She learned sign language and was able to express herself quite clearly, and believe me, that gorilla felt love and great depression. At one point she tells of how her family was murdered by poachers and she was left alone.....

Elephants also have feelings of love and sadness, as do dolphins and many other species.

Daredevel7 · 03-12-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pathymo

You are confusing intelligence with sentience. Many animal species are said to be "non-sentient".

But, if you think animals don't have feelings of being in love or major depression, I strongly suggest you look at documentary footage of KoKo the Gorilla. She learned sign language and was able to express herself quite clearly, and believe me, that gorilla felt love and great depression. At one point she tells of how her family was murdered by poachers and she was left alone.....

Elephants also have feelings of love and sadness, as do dolphins and many other species.

I never said they couldn't feel sad nor happy. I said they don't have the intelligence to feel a love "high" or major depression. Their range of emotions are not as extreme nor complex as ours because they don't have the mental capacity.

You listed only the higher IQ animals for those that experience emotions. Shows that the higher the IQ you have, the greater range of emotions you comprehend, correct?

pathymo · 03-12-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I never said they couldn't feel sad nor happy. I said they don't have the intelligence to feel a love "high" or major depression. Their range of emotions are not as extreme nor complex as ours because they don't have the mental capacity.

You listed only the higher IQ animals for those that experience emotions. Shows that the higher the IQ you have, the greater range of emotions you comprehend, correct?

Are penguins considered high IQ?

I think ultimately its kinda silly to try and presume what an animal feels, as humans are not psychically empathic to animals and we can't really know what they're feeling, or how a different species might experience different human-labeled emotions. Its a bit egocentric for humans to assume such things.

Daredevel7 · 03-13-2009, 09:00 AM

You're right, we shouldn't assume what an animal feels, but that wasn't my point anyway. I was just saying that due our higher IQ, we have a whole new level of thinking when it comes to living life. We aren't just simply bound by our "gut instincts". For example, animals kill the suffering or the weak of their litter. We cannot do that for numerous reasons, including the need to nurture and blind compassion.
Anyway, I digress, netrox was saying that gender roles are dedicated by our sex, and I disagree. I do believe that our biology affects what we do, but I believe sex has a smaller impact than you'd think.

pathymo · 03-13-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

You're right, we shouldn't assume what an animal feels, but that wasn't my point anyway. I was just saying that due our higher IQ, we have a whole new level of thinking when it comes to living life. We aren't just simply bound by our "gut instincts". For example, animals kill the suffering or the weak of their litter. We cannot do that for numerous reasons, including the need to nurture and blind compassion.
Anyway, I digress, netrox was saying that gender roles are dedicated by our sex, and I disagree. I do believe that our biology affects what we do, but I believe sex has a smaller impact than you'd think.

Agreed

My old room mate has a degree in gender studies, and we would sometimes have interesting conversations. He used the label "queer" a lot to describe certain people's "gender". I think he was also of the belief that gender and sex are not necessarily one in the same. He considered himself "queer", not male or female.

deafdyke · 03-14-2009, 01:49 AM

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Human females will ALWAYS be the "submissive" gender and males the "dominant" gender, no MATTER how hard you try to "equalize" both genders. It just doesn't work. That's why I find feminism a failed idealogy - it subverts the human nature. It only works for a SMALL percent of people and so far, Darwinism never favored them.

Sex assignment surgeries are for people who are convinced they're the opposite gender and they have ALWAYS been that way. There's a damning evidence that they have this belief since infancy and we have no clue why it happens. No one was there to "feminize" those boys, while biologically born male, somehow something in their brains are telling them that they are female even tho they were way too young to understand about gender roles. We also have people who operated on newborn boys and removed their penises and try to raise them as girls... and they failed miserably. Virtually all became extremely mentally ill and many died young. So much for "gender is purely a social construct."

That goes the same with races. Cut with race as being purely a social construct.

Ah no.....you're mixing up sex and gender. Sex is biological and it's basicly what's between your legs. Gender however is very different. Gender is what's between your ears. Our society has this insistance that there's only two genders, either male or female. However, its a lot more complex then that. There are tons of genders out there. It's not as black and white as male or female.

magican · 07-29-2009, 02:20 AM

Hi that true myself got boobs and keep my penis it good thing to feel sexy

Hwy99 · 07-29-2009, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zacburks

just because a guy wants to wear girl clothes instead of guy clothes does not mean that is a reason to under go this process. I am gay, and im a guy... and i wear girl jeans, and sometimes girl shirts, but thats because that is wat i like to wear. not because i want to rid of my junk!

and i highly recommend that if ur a person and want to undergo this precedure just because ur "curious" DO NOT DO IT! u have to know for sure that is what u want. once its gone, it is GONE! think twice and think long and hard!
~~Zach~~

Zach, I didn't mean to create this thread to undergo the surgery. I just want to see people's comments or opinions about this, even the transsexual's opinion.

This thread is 2 years old now, and I haven't undergo the surgery.

I like to discuss around here, that is what the forums for, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafdyke

Virtually ALL of those are buying into stereotypes about gender.
Like I wonder how many TS people grew up in families with VERY strict gender roles. Maybe they think that there's only ONE WAY to be male or female. Maybe if our society was less strict abt gender roles, you'd see a lot less "transexxuals" There are a lot more "genders" then just male or female.

Well there are a lot of reasons that transsexuals went undergo the surgery. I've meet some transsexual friends around my location and read some of transsexual's stories, they are farout interesting.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWolves64

Hey PuyoPiyo, I have information about SRS on FTM (female to male) so here's the link Phalloplasty | The Gender Centre Inc. and Online Alchemy - The Art of Loren Cameron (this one is two different kind of surgeries for FTM)

Thank you for sharing

dogmom · 07-30-2009, 08:15 PM

the trans folks I know knew from a very early age that they were in the "wrong body" but may not at that time known how to express it in words. Sexual reassignment is actually a very long, intensive and expensive proposition and not done lightly by those involved. Usually there are number of medical consults and at least a year of medical prep. <hormones etc.> prior to a surgery and often more than one surgery is required particularly going FTM because the doctors have to ADD so much stuff - not just gentalia but secondary sexual characteristics like ridges/prominences over the eyebrow region and other physically "masculine" features that are not immediately obvious. Travel and recuperation time must also be included because surgeons skilled in this are few and far between.

magican · 08-01-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

the trans folks i know who have undergone any or all of the re-assignment procedure or who have even begun thinking about it seemed to have reached a point where there is no other option and have been struggling alone for years; it's not something done lightly and is quite expensive and logistically difficult. The gbltq community has many facets just as the idea of "gender" does and people who are trans were not always accepted in the community as is mostly the case now. As far as i know, aside from all the hormones and other medical things, much counseling and other psychological preparation goes into planning for the surgery. 99% of insurance does not cover it because it is considered "lifestyle" or just a desire, not a medical need.

"love is tender and has no gender" <not of my own making - purchased button at pridefest>

some are differnt by some want post op sex-change some have private pay to buy hormones like help self home grow breast i have done help self home grow breast and hormones some cut the penis some keep penis.SO I GIVE U THE WEBSITE FOR U IS

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05-05-2007, 12:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
Hwy99 Back! :) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,147	Transexual Surgery Reassigment (Male to Female) WARNING, this will show the vagina right after you click this! Also the surgery picture are just in the drawing, not reality picture. Transsexual Sex Reassignment Surgery (male to female) I want to hear your opinion, also I know everyone want to share too DISCUSS IT!

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 29,617 Blog Entries: 3	Looking at the pics, they did a good job! If it made the patient happy, then kudos to her. I have nothing against it. Why should I since it wont affect me nor my life? People have the right to do whatever they want with their lives and bodies as long as it is not harmful. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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05-05-2007, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 10,290	Since you are interested in wantin' to know more about transexual issue, are you considerin' to try it from bein' a male to female ?

05-05-2007, 08:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Hwy99 Back! :) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,147	Oh! I forgot, the reason why I post as Male to Female, not the Female to Male is because I can't find any much good informations about the Female to Male. There is not really many female have neopenis, and the price for the operation is way toooooo expensive than Male to Female. So I think I would just stick with Male to Female.

05-05-2007, 04:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 8,411	Well now, here's a question..........what percentage of people undergoing SRS, REALLY honestly need it? I gotta say, I think SOME really should undergo it, (eg like in the cases where a bit of snipping was done at birth) BUT, I really think that a lot of "transsexuality" is simply people not realizing that gender is just very arbitrary......there are more genders then just either male or female. Gender is FLUID............it's just like debates about race etc.......

03-09-2009, 11:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,145	I think there should be some sort of assessment to MAKE SURE that it's what the client wants. Sexuality can be a very confusing issue, and I agree with deafdyke that gender is very fluid. Not to say that TS is "wrong" or anything, but the procedure seems so irreversible, and it's a decision not to be taken lightly. However, since the procedure is so expensive and I'm sure most insurance companies don't cover it or at least the person must fight hard to get it at least partially covered, I am sure that client has REALLY thought about it. I found the link so fascinating! The M to F surgery looks FANTASTIC!

03-10-2009, 12:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,287	The trans folks I know who have undergone any or all of the re-assignment procedure or who have even begun thinking about it seemed to have reached a point where there is no other option and have been struggling alone for years; it's not something done lightly and is quite expensive and logistically difficult. The GBLTQ community has many facets just as the idea of "gender" does and people who are trans were not always accepted in the community as is mostly the case now. As far as I know, aside from all the hormones and other medical things, much counseling and other psychological preparation goes into planning for the surgery. 99% of insurance does not cover it because it is considered "lifestyle" or just a desire, not a medical need. "love is tender and has no gender" <not of my own making - purchased button at Pridefest>

03-10-2009, 11:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,145	You're forgetting one thing. We have high intelligence. This is why we have religion and animals don't. This is why we have feelings of being in love and major depression and animals don't. Can't the same be said about gender roles?

03-10-2009, 11:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,145	There are gender roles but who is to say that they HAVE to be dedicated by our sex? I mean, you use animals as an example, I know that female dogs who display dominance on male dogs. What does that say?

03-13-2009, 09:00 AM	#22 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,145	You're right, we shouldn't assume what an animal feels, but that wasn't my point anyway. I was just saying that due our higher IQ, we have a whole new level of thinking when it comes to living life. We aren't just simply bound by our "gut instincts". For example, animals kill the suffering or the weak of their litter. We cannot do that for numerous reasons, including the need to nurture and blind compassion. Anyway, I digress, netrox was saying that gender roles are dedicated by our sex, and I disagree. I do believe that our biology affects what we do, but I believe sex has a smaller impact than you'd think.

07-30-2009, 08:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,287	the trans folks I know knew from a very early age that they were in the "wrong body" but may not at that time known how to express it in words. Sexual reassignment is actually a very long, intensive and expensive proposition and not done lightly by those involved. Usually there are number of medical consults and at least a year of medical prep. <hormones etc.> prior to a surgery and often more than one surgery is required particularly going FTM because the doctors have to ADD so much stuff - not just gentalia but secondary sexual characteristics like ridges/prominences over the eyebrow region and other physically "masculine" features that are not immediately obvious. Travel and recuperation time must also be included because surgeons skilled in this are few and far between.