It must get tiring! - Page 2

**Bottesini** · 08-01-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I know it wasn't. I just thought Beowulf's comment was funny.

A little argument makes people think.

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Originally Posted by KStiletto

See? Drawing an audience to this debate already!

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I know it wasn't. I just thought Beowulf's comment was funny.

A little argument makes people think.

I can explain why I brought up audism. Hearing poster dictating how a Deaf forum should operate and how the Deaf should behave. Smacks of audism to me. Same old same old attitude of "do it like I do it. You would be so much better off."

Hopefully, a little argument makes people think. It does most of the time here. In fact, I have been thanked for it on numerous occasions. Never by the hearing,though, lol.

**Bottesini** · 08-01-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I can explain why I brought up audism. Hearing poster dictating how a Deaf forum should operate and how the Deaf should behave. Smacks of audism to me. Same old same old attitude of "do it like I do it. You would be so much better off."

I understand. I really wasn't arguing. I just thought it was funny.

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I can explain why I brought up audism. Hearing poster dictating how a Deaf forum should operate and how the Deaf should behave. Smacks of audism to me. Same old same old attitude of "do it like I do it. You would be so much better off."

I saw it exactly like that. I had no objections.

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

As Jiro said, this has apparently come up many times in the past so I am not the only one thinking this way. I'm sure the people who "liked" my post feel the same way, otherwise they wouldn't have "liked" it.

Yeah, they are in here helping you out, too, aren't they?

**Jiro** · 08-01-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

As Jiro said, this has apparently come up many times in the past so I am not the only one thinking this way. I'm sure the people who "liked" my post feel the same way, otherwise they wouldn't have "liked" it.

I have more "like" than you so just saying that this is same ole' same ole' and what I've just said above is what mods have said many times - "ignore button. use it."

and mods have repeatedly said that if the posts are insulting or offensive to you, report it and they will take care of it. if you're not satisfied, well then.... you drama queen?

Jane B. · 08-01-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

When did hearing people start to decide what kind of a forum AllDeaf was supposed to be? That is something best left to the Deaf/deaf around here.
Isn't this just another case of a hearing person dictating what is proper in a Deaf environment based on their own needs? Can anyone say "Audism"?

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Originally Posted by CSign

We all know you can.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Are you making mockery of some of our members' speech abilities?????

From the looks of this CSign is not making a mockery of anyone's speech abilities. She is saying that we all know that Jillio can say "Audism". I don't think anyone can question that given how often Jillio uses the term.

**Jiro** · 08-01-2011, 05:40 PM

oh my... it's getting tiring to see people spam-liking my posts

posts reported.

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I understand. I really wasn't arguing. I just thought it was funny.

I wasn't really explaining for your benefit, either. I figured you got the reference.

I was explaining for those that see audism as something only connected to speech.

**Jiro** · 08-01-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jane B.

From the looks of this CSign is not making a mockery of anyone's speech abilities. She is saying that we all know that Jillio can say "Audism". I don't think anyone can question that given how often Jillio uses the term.

HowStuffWorks "How Sarcasm Works"

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 05:42 PM

Rounders:

"If you don't spot a sucker within 30 minutes of playing, you're the sucker..."

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jane B.

From the looks of this CSign is not making a mockery of anyone's speech abilities. She is saying that we all know that Jillio can say "Audism". I don't think anyone can question that given how often Jillio uses the term.

Another one taking themselves way too seriously!

We did not need your explanations. Everyone has the thread figured out nicely, thank you. Well, everyone but you, I guess.

***naisho*** · 08-01-2011, 05:49 PM

Wirelessly posted

First, not reading past the first few posts, let me welcome you to the internets.

Second, it's not just here, it's anywhere. Except it is a little more personal here because the deaf world is small, someone knows another at some point in the network.

Only options are:
A) ignore it or admit mistake/resign from thread etc
B) fight back
C) troll them so we can all eat popcorn and watch the show.

Srs post. /thread

CSign · 08-01-2011, 05:50 PM

I just got an insightful PM from a well respected member.

I'm not going to read the above posts right now, and I also won't respond to them.

I will say; if you all like the fighting, bullying, immature name calling etc., then carry on.

I had good intentions and was hoping that some of us could make a concerted effort going forward for a less hostile environment.

I was reminded though, that I am not always dealing with linear thinking, rational people.

So with that said, if you get off on the hostility and hate keep at it. If you enjoy reading it, keep "liking" those posts and everything will stay the same.

You might lose some people who would benefit from participating, and on the otherhand you might miss out on some good information they have to share.

But so it goes.

Peace.

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Wirelessly posted

First, not reading past the first few posts, let me welcome you to the internets.

Second, it's not just here, it's anywhere. Except it is a little more personal here because the deaf world is small, someone knows another at some point in the network.

Only options are:
A) ignore it or admit mistake/resign from thread etc
B) fight back
C) troll them so we can all eat popcorn and watch the show.

Srs post. /thread

And I've been nice in this thread. Unlike how I'd act in the other forums...

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSign

I just got an insightful PM from a well respected member.

I'm not going to read the above posts right now, and I also won't respond to them.

I will say; if you all like the fighting, bullying, immature name calling etc., then carry on.

I had good intentions and was hoping that some of us could make a concerted effort going forward for a less hostile environment.

I was reminded though, that I am not always dealing with linear thinking, rational people.

So with that said, if you get off on the hostility and hate keep at it. If you enjoy reading it, keep "liking" those posts and everything will stay the same.

You might lose some people who would benefit from participating, and on the otherhand you might miss out on some good information they have to share.

But so it goes.

Peace.

Nice, you couldn't even refrain from saying "I was reminded though, that I am not always dealing with linear thinking, rational people."

Further reinforces what we were saying.

Oceanbreeze · 08-01-2011, 05:53 PM

It takes MATURITY to be the bigger person. If someone (doesn't matter who) wants to be a jerk and throw a grenade into a discussion, they will do it. It takes restraint and maturity to ignore that person. THIS is exactly what I have RARELY seen on this forum. Restraint.

Just because someone says something, that doesn't mean it has to be corrected at. every single. turn.

I've seen discussions turn very ugly simply because someone feels the need to correct what they see as misrepresentation. Just because a person sees a situation a certain way, it doesn't mean someone else does.

In short, folks. We're not going to always agree with each other. But, we shouldn't allow ourselves to resort to tactics one would most often see on a Kindergarten playground to get across our point of view.

The majority of us are adults here. Let's start acting like it.

ALL OF US.

If you don't like what you see and it makes you mad, simply walk away from the thread (or, heck, the forum if you need to).

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

It takes MATURITY to be the bigger person. If someone (doesn't matter who) wants to be a jerk and throw a grenade into a discussion, they will do it. It takes restraint and maturity to ignore that person. THIS is exactly what I have RARELY seen on this forum. Restraint.

Just because someone says something, that doesn't mean it has to be corrected at. every single. turn.

I've seen discussions turn very ugly simply because someone feels the need to correct what they see as misrepresentation. Just because a person sees a situation a certain way doesn't mean someone else does.

In short, folks. We're not going to always agree with each other. But, we shouldn't allow ourselves to resort to tactics one would most often see on a Kindergarten playground to get across our point of view.

The majority of us are adults here. Let's start acting like it.

ALL OF US.

If you don't like what you see and it makes you mad, simply walk away from the thread (or, heck, the forum if you need to).

mi casa no es tu casa......

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSign

I just got an insightful PM from a well respected member.

I'm not going to read the above posts right now, and I also won't respond to them.

I will say; if you all like the fighting, bullying, immature name calling etc., then carry on.

I had good intentions and was hoping that some of us could make a concerted effort going forward for a less hostile environment.

I was reminded though, that I am not always dealing with linear thinking, rational people.

So with that said, if you get off on the hostility and hate keep at it. If you enjoy reading it, keep "liking" those posts and everything will stay the same.

You might lose some people who would benefit from participating, and on the otherhand you might miss out on some good information they have to share.

But so it goes.

Peace.

More claims that you refuse to support?

Are you suggesting that the Deaf here are deficient because ASL is not intended to be processed in a linear way as is English? Are you insinuating the the Deaf are not rational?

Good intentions do not always get good results. In fact, when intentions are coming from a self serving position and are ethnocentric, they rarely get good results.

If you don't like what you find, then you look somewhere else. You don't attempt to change a forum just because you don't like what you find here. Everyone is not obligated to tend to your needs.

jillio · 08-01-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

It takes MATURITY to be the bigger person. If someone (doesn't matter who) wants to be a jerk and throw a grenade into a discussion, they will do it. It takes restraint and maturity to ignore that person. THIS is exactly what I have RARELY seen on this forum. Restraint.

Just because someone says something, that doesn't mean it has to be corrected at. every single. turn.

I've seen discussions turn very ugly simply because someone feels the need to correct what they see as misrepresentation. Just because a person sees a situation a certain way doesn't mean someone else does.

In short, folks. We're not going to always agree with each other. But, we shouldn't allow ourselves to resort to tactics one would most often see on a Kindergarten playground to get across our point of view.

The majority of us are adults here. Let's start acting like it.

ALL OF US.

If you don't like what you see and it makes you mad, simply walk away from the thread (or, heck, the forum if you need to).

You don't have a problem with misinformation being given out under the guise of fact and advice? I know that is not the way you believe, or the way you function.

**Jiro** · 08-01-2011, 06:02 PM

First Lesson of Communication 101 - Message Sent is not equal to Message Received.

jillio · 08-01-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

First Lesson of Communication 101 - Message Sent is not equal to Message Received.

Oh, if only some would learn that!

Oceanbreeze · 08-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You don't have a problem with misinformation being given out under the guise of fact and advice?

This is a public forum. We all have opinions, and that, is what this really comes down to at the end of it. Opinions. But, how someone comes across also matters. We can all stick to our values and what we feel is right w/o causing flame wars; if we simply are mature about it.

jillio · 08-01-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

This is a public forum. We all have opinions, and that, is what this really comes down to at the end of it. Opinions. But, how someone comes across also matters. We can all stick to our values and what we feel is right w/o causing flame wars; if we simply are mature about it.

Gotcha. In order to be true to myself, I have to correct that misinformation which has the potential to cause harm.

Oceanbreeze · 08-01-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

First Lesson of Communication 101 - Message Sent is not equal to Message Received.

OK, so message isn't received. That is not our problem. If someone really isn't going to see a certain point of view. There's really NOTHING anyone is going to say to that person to change their mind, so what's the POINT in arguing?

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

OK, so message isn't received. That is not our problem. If someone really isn't going to see a certain point of view. There's really NOTHING anyone is going to say to that person to change their mind, so what's the POINT in arguing?

The point is to have accurate information represented for the onlookers.

**Jiro** · 08-01-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

OK, so message isn't received. That is not our problem. If someone really isn't going to see a certain point of view. There's really NOTHING anyone is going to say to that person to change their mind, so what's the POINT in arguing?

I say same for person who sent the message. It's not our problem either if their message isn't what a sender intended. Many times - a speaker expects us to understand him immediately like we're mind readers.

I would focus more on constructing a well-received message than to fret about why audience is being "difficult" with my ill-conceived message. that's why some people can be stupid but charismatic and some are brilliant yet poor at convincing people.

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

I say same for person who sent the message. It's not our problem either if their message isn't what a sender intended. Many times - a speaker expects us to understand him immediately like we're mind readers.

I would focus more on constructing a well-received message than to fret about why audience is being "difficult" with my ill-conceived message. that's why some people can be stupid but charismatic and some are brilliant yet poor at convincing people.

Exactly

Oceanbreeze · 08-01-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

The point is to have accurate information represented for the onlookers.

I get that. But, there's a way to give that information w/o turning a thread into something akin to a blood bath.

posts from hell · 08-01-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I get that. But, there's a way to give that information w/o turning a thread into something akin to a blood bath.

I don't think you fully grasp it. I could drop some liners, and you would want to turn me into gory bits...

Then we can discuss from there?

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*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,162	Wirelessly posted First, not reading past the first few posts, let me welcome you to the internets. Second, it's not just here, it's anywhere. Except it is a little more personal here because the deaf world is small, someone knows another at some point in the network. Only options are: A) ignore it or admit mistake/resign from thread etc B) fight back C) troll them so we can all eat popcorn and watch the show. Srs post. /thread posts from hell, BecLak and StSapphire like this. __________________

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	I just got an insightful PM from a well respected member. I'm not going to read the above posts right now, and I also won't respond to them. I will say; if you all like the fighting, bullying, immature name calling etc., then carry on. I had good intentions and was hoping that some of us could make a concerted effort going forward for a less hostile environment. I was reminded though, that I am not always dealing with linear thinking, rational people. So with that said, if you get off on the hostility and hate keep at it. If you enjoy reading it, keep "liking" those posts and everything will stay the same. You might lose some people who would benefit from participating, and on the otherhand you might miss out on some good information they have to share. But so it goes. Peace. Beach girl likes this.

08-01-2011, 05:53 PM	#47 (permalink)
Oceanbreeze Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: S. FL Posts: 9,967	It takes MATURITY to be the bigger person. If someone (doesn't matter who) wants to be a jerk and throw a grenade into a discussion, they will do it. It takes restraint and maturity to ignore that person. THIS is exactly what I have RARELY seen on this forum. Restraint. Just because someone says something, that doesn't mean it has to be corrected at. every single. turn. I've seen discussions turn very ugly simply because someone feels the need to correct what they see as misrepresentation. Just because a person sees a situation a certain way, it doesn't mean someone else does. In short, folks. We're not going to always agree with each other. But, we shouldn't allow ourselves to resort to tactics one would most often see on a Kindergarten playground to get across our point of view. The majority of us are adults here. Let's start acting like it. ALL OF US. If you don't like what you see and it makes you mad, simply walk away from the thread (or, heck, the forum if you need to). Babyblue, GrendelQ, Beach girl and 1 others like this. __________________ "There comes a time in your life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh. Forget the bad, and focus on the good. Love the people who treat you right, pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living."

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