Grammar - Page 5

**saywhatkid** · 07-13-2011, 09:03 PM

Where is "sailorboy" these days? Did he get marooned on an uncharted island with The Professor?

Oceanbreeze · 07-13-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

That's the important part.

I will tell you. I have NOT been criticised on here for my gramatical errors, but, there is someone on my facebook who is such a grammar nazi that she drives me insane. I've not yet deleted her because she hasn't called me out directly for grammatical errors I make on my statuses. However, if she ever does, you can BET she'll be deleted in a FLASH!!!!

This is a woman who is generally very insecure overall, so it doesn't surprise me that she's so picky about this. She is notorious for taking pictures when she's out and about around her town and posting them for all to see on FB. I'll admit that it makes me feel self conscience, but I try to tell myself that she's not judging ME, but, sometimes I wonder. *sigh*

This woman truly has issues she needs to work through. (I know this for a fact.)

**deafskeptic** · 07-13-2011, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I will tell you. I have NOT been criticised on here for my gramatical errors, but, there is someone on my facebook who is such a grammar nazi that she drives me insane. I've not yet deleted her because she hasn't called me out directly for grammatical errors I make on my statuses. However, if she ever does, you can BET she'll be deleted in a FLASH!!!!

This is a woman who is generally very insecure overall, so it doesn't surprise me that she's so picky about this. She is notorious for taking pictures when she's out and about around her town and posting them for all to see on FB. I'll admit that it makes me feel self conscience, but I try to tell myself that she's not judging ME, but, sometimes I wonder. *sigh*

This woman truly has issues she needs to work through. (I know this for a fact.)

Once I put a grammar nazi on World of Warcraft on ignore. I find it difficult to edit my grammar in guild chat or reply so when he made fun of my grammar, I put him on ignore. Serves him right. Others in the same guild put him on ignore as well cuz they didn't like their grammar corrected.

SimonJ · 07-14-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

That's the important part.

As long as it's not hard to read, I don't know text speak and had to look up smh.

**deafskeptic** · 07-14-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonJ

As long as it's not hard to read, I don't know text speak and had to look up smh.

I had to look up smh too.

StevieMont927 · 07-14-2011, 03:20 AM

I am hearing and come from a family of teachers, and I grew up reading, being taught standard English grammar, and getting corrected when I was wrong. Due to my upbringing, I've found that bad grammar can get annoying, however, I understand that my situation's somewhat unique and not everyone has the same experiences. Therefore, I refrain from correcting other people's grammar and word usage unless I'm asked specifically. It's not that difficult to overlook mistakes and understand that not everyone has had the same upbringing.

Seeing as how we're not all writing our dissertations here, I figure as long as I can understand what's being said, I'm fine. No one's perfect, and a high-and-mighty attitude isn't going to get anyone to want to write like an English professor.

I'm sorry if I'm not clear....I'm kinda tired.

**Beowulf** · 07-14-2011, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevieMont927

I am hearing and come from a family of teachers, and I grew up reading, being taught standard English grammar, and getting corrected when I was wrong. Due to my upbringing, I've found that bad grammar can get annoying, however, I understand that my situation's somewhat unique and not everyone has the same experiences. Therefore, I refrain from correcting other people's grammar and word usage unless I'm asked specifically. It's not that difficult to overlook mistakes and understand that not everyone has had the same upbringing.

Seeing as how we're not all writing our dissertations here, I figure as long as I can understand what's being said, I'm fine. No one's perfect, and a high-and-mighty attitude isn't going to get anyone to want to write like an English professor.

I'm sorry if I'm not clear....I'm kinda tired.

Cool. By all means, take each opportunity to correct Bottesini's spelling and grammar. It has been rather slow lately.

**deafskeptic** · 07-14-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cool. By all means, take each opportunity to correct Bottesini's spelling and grammar. It has been rather slow lately.

The real question is will Botts appreciate your post?

**Beowulf** · 07-14-2011, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

The real question is will Botts appreciate your post?

Danger is my middle name.

StSapphire · 07-14-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Danger is my middle name.

So your full name is Böðvarr Danger Bjarki?

**Beowulf** · 07-14-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StSapphire

So your full name is Böðvarr Danger Bjarki?

Perhaps the silver bullet will help identify me.

**Bottesini** · 07-14-2011, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cool. By all means, take each opportunity to correct Bottesini's spelling and grammar. It has been rather slow lately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

The real question is will Botts appreciate your post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Danger is my middle name.

Hahahaha! I am almost falling off my chair now!

AlleyCat · 07-14-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cool. By all means, take each opportunity to correct Bottesini's spelling and grammar. It has been rather slow lately.

Botts? Never. She's sharp as a tack!

kbnyc · 07-14-2011, 12:21 PM

I feel like on a forum, especially one for people who may or may not have had their first language as English, the important thing to do is convey your ideas to the best of your ability and contribute to a discussion thoughtfully.

Being a grammarian on a writing forum makes sense, that adds to the discussion. Most everywhere else, you just end up looking like an ass.

BecLak · 07-14-2011, 06:23 PM

Wirelessly posted

Simply put and no need for any other reply: AllDeaf is a worldwide public forum. Not everyone has English as their native language.

StevieMont927 · 07-14-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cool. By all means, take each opportunity to correct Bottesini's spelling and grammar. It has been rather slow lately.

I wasn't trying to be a b****, I was just putting my two cents in. Like I said, I don't correct unless I'm asked.

**saywhatkid** · 07-14-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevieMont927

I wasn't trying to be a b****, I was just putting my two cents in. Like I said, I don't correct unless I'm asked.

There should have been a sarcasm warning. Botts is one of the best writers on the site, and we all know it. Since you are new, it was easy for you to think it was a serious remark. Relax and enjoy all the grammatical errors. Eye kan keap yu bizzy fer daize.

StevieMont927 · 07-14-2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

There should have been a sarcasm warning. Botts is one of the best writers on the site, and we all know it. Since you are new, it was easy for you to think it was a serious remark. Relax and enjoy all the grammatical errors. Eye kan keap yu bizzy fer daize.

En eye wil resis tentashun fur curreksshun.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was kinda nervous.

I'm sure I'll get used to the site eventually.

**saywhatkid** · 07-14-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevieMont927

En eye wil resis tentashun fur curreksshun.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was kinda nervous.

I'm sure I'll get used to the site eventually.

Know wurrys!

StevieMont927 · 07-14-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Know wurrys!

tenk u fur unnershtandin!!

Berry · 07-16-2011, 02:10 PM

English grammar has some problems.

Even without considering spelling. Knot and not are spelt the same, said different while Polish and polish are spelt the same, said different. And then there is PREsent and preSENT which is spelt the same and said the same -- But the accent is on the opposite syllable.

While the grammar nazis think grammar should be slavishly obeyed many of us believe English, both written and spoken, should be revamped.

Some rules are ridiculous -- Such as the one against splitting infinitives. At the time this one was put into effect Latin was considered The Perfect Language. You can NOT spilt an infinitive in Latin -- Therefore you should not in English. However the structure of English makes splitting infinitives both easy to do and easier to understand.

Some of our written grammar makes it more difficult to communicate, not easier. To make it worse prescriptive grammar was designed to control written English -- Not spoken English -- But grammar nazis tend to insist that these rules be applied to spoken English as well.

There are two types of grammar.

Prescriptive grammar states how you MUST speak and write in order to be considered intelligent and educated enough for those in power to consider you worth paying attention too. You will not be considered for the office of Prime Minister of England if you insist on using a Cockney accent.

The entire concept of following, or not following, prescriptive grammar for a written language is one of the problems facing those who would like ASL accepted as an equal to English.

Linguistic grammar considers how people actually communicate with each other. How communication develops over time and what is actually conveyed, both spoken and unspoken. For example when someone answers a question with "Of course." Nowhere in this two word sentence is it implied on the surface that the question or the questioner said something stupid -- But every native speaker knows that is EXACTLY what it Does mean.

Linguistic grammar can account for the Frenchman's native shrug. Prescriptive grammar considers it beneath notice.

Prescriptive grammar is not a friend to ASL.

jedimunky · 07-16-2011, 03:47 PM

I have worn hearing aids since I was three, as that was when my hearing loss was first diagnosed. Grammatically, I think I am fine. Speaking, I am fine, although I have a tendency to rush my words and therefore stutter sometimes. I never learned ASL as I never felt that I needed to, even though I did go to a deaf camp for twice as a kid and I did go on some field trips of sorts with other Deaf/HoH kids. As well as participating in several banquets for Deaf/HoH kid as well.

Audiofuzzy · 07-16-2011, 05:08 PM

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This is a woman who is generally very insecure overall, so it doesn't surprise me that she's so picky about this.

hmm. maybe she was OCD??? an' grammar was her thingy?...

Fuzzy

natty_4ever · 07-16-2011, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Most Deaf learn how to read and write English but don't advance. Most of the time, it's a matter of early language development and lack of proper instruction in either sign or English. *shrug* The out-of-order thing you see is syntax confusion.

THIS.

I grew up JUST LIKE YOU, OP. I grew up mainstreamed in an all-hearing school and was the only deaf student in the ENTIRE school. I only had hearing aids and nothing else. Guess what? I was in the top of my class in AP English also! In fact, I did so good because I graduated high school a year early with honors and got into Harvard! Do you see me parading around on this forum about how awesome my English is? How great I can speak and how awesome my hearing aids are because now I can INTEGRATE into the hearing world?! No. You'll never see that, because I am a proud Deaf person who LOVES being part of the Deaf culture. I have hearing friends and I'm not scared of the hearing world, but I've accepted my identity and you need to do the same.

Not everyone is just like you, OP. Some parents don't know what to do for their deaf children and they're dumped off at mainstream school with nothing. Maybe they're totally deaf and hearing aids don't work, so they get no benefit in hearing school whatsoever without an interpreter. Maybe the parents don't learn sign or cued speech or any communication method to help their child, and as a result, their reading suffers because of the lack of language exposure. Is it their fault? No, it's not. STOP BLAMING THEM.

Good lord. I rarely get mad on AD but this is one thread that actually pinched a nerve.

**Banjo** · 07-16-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natty_4ever

THIS.

I grew up JUST LIKE YOU, OP. I grew up mainstreamed in an all-hearing school and was the only deaf student in the ENTIRE school. I only had hearing aids and nothing else. Guess what? I was in the top of my class in AP English also! In fact, I did so good because I graduated high school a year early with honors and got into Harvard! Do you see me parading around on this forum about how awesome my English is? How great I can speak and how awesome my hearing aids are because now I can INTEGRATE into the hearing world?! No. You'll never see that, because I am a proud Deaf person who LOVES being part of the Deaf culture. I have hearing friends and I'm not scared of the hearing world, but I've accepted my identity and you need to do the same.

Not everyone is just like you, OP. Some parents don't know what to do for their deaf children and they're dumped off at mainstream school with nothing. Maybe they're totally deaf and hearing aids don't work, so they get no benefit in hearing school whatsoever without an interpreter. Maybe the parents don't learn sign or cued speech or any communication method to help their child, and as a result, their reading suffers because of the lack of language exposure. Is it their fault? No, it's not. STOP BLAMING THEM.

Good lord. I rarely get mad on AD but this is one thread that actually pinched a nerve.

Don't worry about her, she's just full of hot air.

**deafskeptic** · 07-16-2011, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berry

English grammar has some problems.

Even without considering spelling. Knot and not are spelt the same, said different while Polish and polish are spelt the same, said different. And then there is PREsent and preSENT which is spelt the same and said the same -- But the accent is on the opposite syllable.

While the grammar nazis think grammar should be slavishly obeyed many of us believe English, both written and spoken, should be revamped.

Some rules are ridiculous -- Such as the one against splitting infinitives. At the time this one was put into effect Latin was considered The Perfect Language. You can NOT spilt an infinitive in Latin -- Therefore you should not in English. However the structure of English makes splitting infinitives both easy to do and easier to understand.

Some of our written grammar makes it more difficult to communicate, not easier. To make it worse prescriptive grammar was designed to control written English -- Not spoken English -- But grammar nazis tend to insist that these rules be applied to spoken English as well.

There are two types of grammar.

Prescriptive grammar states how you MUST speak and write in order to be considered intelligent and educated enough for those in power to consider you worth paying attention too. You will not be considered for the office of Prime Minister of England if you insist on using a Cockney accent.

The entire concept of following, or not following, prescriptive grammar for a written language is one of the problems facing those who would like ASL accepted as an equal to English.

Linguistic grammar considers how people actually communicate with each other. How communication develops over time and what is actually conveyed, both spoken and unspoken. For example when someone answers a question with "Of course." Nowhere in this two word sentence is it implied on the surface that the question or the questioner said something stupid -- But every native speaker knows that is EXACTLY what it Does mean.

Linguistic grammar can account for the Frenchman's native shrug. Prescriptive grammar considers it beneath notice.

Prescriptive grammar is not a friend to ASL.

Let's not get started on foreign names. One of my most embrassing moments came when I learned that the Chinese surname Hung is not pronounced as the English word Hung. I hate mispronouncing peoples' names cuz they get offended.

**deafskeptic** · 07-16-2011, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natty_4ever

THIS.

I grew up JUST LIKE YOU, OP. I grew up mainstreamed in an all-hearing school and was the only deaf student in the ENTIRE school. I only had hearing aids and nothing else. Guess what? I was in the top of my class in AP English also! In fact, I did so good because I graduated high school a year early with honors and got into Harvard! Do you see me parading around on this forum about how awesome my English is? How great I can speak and how awesome my hearing aids are because now I can INTEGRATE into the hearing world?! No. You'll never see that, because I am a proud Deaf person who LOVES being part of the Deaf culture. I have hearing friends and I'm not scared of the hearing world, but I've accepted my identity and you need to do the same.

Not everyone is just like you, OP. Some parents don't know what to do for their deaf children and they're dumped off at mainstream school with nothing. Maybe they're totally deaf and hearing aids don't work, so they get no benefit in hearing school whatsoever without an interpreter. Maybe the parents don't learn sign or cued speech or any communication method to help their child, and as a result, their reading suffers because of the lack of language exposure. Is it their fault? No, it's not. STOP BLAMING THEM.

Good lord. I rarely get mad on AD but this is one thread that actually pinched a nerve.

Wow. That's an impressive post. :bow:

deafbajagal · 07-16-2011, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natty_4ever

THIS.

I grew up JUST LIKE YOU, OP. I grew up mainstreamed in an all-hearing school and was the only deaf student in the ENTIRE school. I only had hearing aids and nothing else. Guess what? I was in the top of my class in AP English also! In fact, I did so good because I graduated high school a year early with honors and got into Harvard! Do you see me parading around on this forum about how awesome my English is? How great I can speak and how awesome my hearing aids are because now I can INTEGRATE into the hearing world?! No. You'll never see that, because I am a proud Deaf person who LOVES being part of the Deaf culture. I have hearing friends and I'm not scared of the hearing world, but I've accepted my identity and you need to do the same.

Not everyone is just like you, OP. Some parents don't know what to do for their deaf children and they're dumped off at mainstream school with nothing. Maybe they're totally deaf and hearing aids don't work, so they get no benefit in hearing school whatsoever without an interpreter. Maybe the parents don't learn sign or cued speech or any communication method to help their child, and as a result, their reading suffers because of the lack of language exposure. Is it their fault? No, it's not. STOP BLAMING THEM.

Good lord. I rarely get mad on AD but this is one thread that actually pinched a nerve.

07-13-2011, 09:03 PM	#121 (permalink)
saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,270 Blog Entries: 2	Where is "sailorboy" these days? Did he get marooned on an uncharted island with The Professor? Oceanbreeze, jillio, Berry and 3 others like this. __________________ "We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves." ~ 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13

07-14-2011, 03:20 AM	#126 (permalink)
StevieMont927 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: I live near Los Angeles, California Posts: 336	I am hearing and come from a family of teachers, and I grew up reading, being taught standard English grammar, and getting corrected when I was wrong. Due to my upbringing, I've found that bad grammar can get annoying, however, I understand that my situation's somewhat unique and not everyone has the same experiences. Therefore, I refrain from correcting other people's grammar and word usage unless I'm asked specifically. It's not that difficult to overlook mistakes and understand that not everyone has had the same upbringing. Seeing as how we're not all writing our dissertations here, I figure as long as I can understand what's being said, I'm fine. No one's perfect, and a high-and-mighty attitude isn't going to get anyone to want to write like an English professor. I'm sorry if I'm not clear....I'm kinda tired. Oceanbreeze, jillio and Berry like this. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "This above all: To thine own self be true."

07-14-2011, 12:21 PM	#134 (permalink)
kbnyc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 106	I feel like on a forum, especially one for people who may or may not have had their first language as English, the important thing to do is convey your ideas to the best of your ability and contribute to a discussion thoughtfully. Being a grammarian on a writing forum makes sense, that adds to the discussion. Most everywhere else, you just end up looking like an ass. Oceanbreeze, jillio, Berry and 1 others like this.

07-14-2011, 06:23 PM	#135 (permalink)
BecLak Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 2,116	Wirelessly posted Simply put and no need for any other reply: AllDeaf is a worldwide public forum. Not everyone has English as their native language. Oceanbreeze, jillio, deafskeptic and 3 others like this. __________________ Severely deaf from birth. Deaf with a Purpose. God designed me this way so I do everything by God's Grace. Exodus 4:11 Ignorance is no longer bliss. Be Educated. KEEP IN STEP WITH ME: Sign Text Email Pen and Paper

07-16-2011, 02:10 PM	#141 (permalink)
Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 2,024	English grammar has some problems. Even without considering spelling. Knot and not are spelt the same, said different while Polish and polish are spelt the same, said different. And then there is PREsent and preSENT which is spelt the same and said the same -- But the accent is on the opposite syllable. While the grammar nazis think grammar should be slavishly obeyed many of us believe English, both written and spoken, should be revamped. Some rules are ridiculous -- Such as the one against splitting infinitives. At the time this one was put into effect Latin was considered The Perfect Language. You can NOT spilt an infinitive in Latin -- Therefore you should not in English. However the structure of English makes splitting infinitives both easy to do and easier to understand. Some of our written grammar makes it more difficult to communicate, not easier. To make it worse prescriptive grammar was designed to control written English -- Not spoken English -- But grammar nazis tend to insist that these rules be applied to spoken English as well. There are two types of grammar. Prescriptive grammar states how you MUST speak and write in order to be considered intelligent and educated enough for those in power to consider you worth paying attention too. You will not be considered for the office of Prime Minister of England if you insist on using a Cockney accent. The entire concept of following, or not following, prescriptive grammar for a written language is one of the problems facing those who would like ASL accepted as an equal to English. Linguistic grammar considers how people actually communicate with each other. How communication develops over time and what is actually conveyed, both spoken and unspoken. For example when someone answers a question with "Of course." Nowhere in this two word sentence is it implied on the surface that the question or the questioner said something stupid -- But every native speaker knows that is EXACTLY what it Does mean. Linguistic grammar can account for the Frenchman's native shrug. Prescriptive grammar considers it beneath notice. Prescriptive grammar is not a friend to ASL. __________________ Free Jillio! Living life in the sandbox.

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07-16-2011, 03:47 PM	#142 (permalink)
jedimunky Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 14	I have worn hearing aids since I was three, as that was when my hearing loss was first diagnosed. Grammatically, I think I am fine. Speaking, I am fine, although I have a tendency to rush my words and therefore stutter sometimes. I never learned ASL as I never felt that I needed to, even though I did go to a deaf camp for twice as a kid and I did go on some field trips of sorts with other Deaf/HoH kids. As well as participating in several banquets for Deaf/HoH kid as well.

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