Deaf Churches...where are they hiding? - Page 3

deafCHL · 04-21-2012, 11:04 PM

I was born and raised Catholic, but I don't believe that BS that a human, even if priest, bishop, or Pop can "Absolve you of your sin". Sorry, that don't fly with me. To me, only God can forgive sin.

The last few years I've been leaning more towards "Church Of Christ".

drphil · 04-21-2012, 11:10 PM

Another resurrection of old threads-Deaf churches! Not a "hot topic" over the last 2 years.

deafCHL · 04-21-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Another resurrection of old threads-Deaf churches! Not a "hot topic" over the last 2 years.

Well, sorry about that. I'm new to this board and still learning the ropes.

**Reba** · 04-22-2012, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Another resurrection of old threads-Deaf churches! Not a "hot topic" over the last 2 years.

That's because religious discussions in general are discouraged by the forum rules.

**Reba** · 04-22-2012, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by deafCHL

Well, sorry about that. I'm new to this board and still learning the ropes.

That's OK.

drphil · 04-22-2012, 09:28 AM

I realize right away the forum's rules-no religious discussion. I am not sure if theology has ever been "split" into "hearing or Deaf".
Probably "locked" shortly.

Anij · 04-22-2012, 09:40 AM

Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Bold )

Religious discussion is different than a query into finding a specific dhh service.

It's always been acceptable to ask "do you know where I can find a d/hh friendly ...." Be that school, dentist, dr, place of worship etc.

To deafCHL - there are a number of weekly live/streamed or recorded services online. Also contacting your denominations diocese/synod is a good way to find out what services are available locally. Also sontact your school for the deaf, or deaf community they should be able to get you in touch with a place that works for you.

If you're into mega churches, you can likely call /email one up directly and ask if they have interpreters, or would be willing to get them. Most have a massive budget and can easily provide 'terped services on request.

GrayEagle · 04-22-2012, 12:34 PM

As a HOH person, whose hearing aids no longer help much in hearing sermons, or attending services with a lot of verbal stuff, I follow my own religious practices mostly as a solitary, with meditation and t'ai chi practices. I tried a couple of places for whom I felt an affinity, but they couldn't afford CART, nor an ASL interpreter for that matter, so I found that going my own way suited me best.

airportcop · 04-22-2012, 12:46 PM

I think that this is a very healthy discussion that should not be banned. Worship is important to many people. Thanks to those brave enough to participate.

GrayEagle · 04-22-2012, 01:01 PM

My post originally was in more detail about my particular experiences & path, but after reading some of the other posts above, I deleted it and made it short.

**Reba** · 04-22-2012, 01:41 PM

My church provides interpreters for all services, if requested. We aren't paid to interpret.

**KristinaB** · 04-22-2012, 02:26 PM

Well - I have come to the decision that I will not be attending church anymore. I still believe, but being total deaf and not understanding enough ASL for the deaf church to benefit me, and also being total deaf and not being able to follow along in a hearing church, what do I do? I had been sitting and reading in my bible and such. I decided that with the rising gas prices, I would stay home and do my study at home. If I have questions, I have at least 20 people to whom I trust from all different religions and beliefs that I can ask and get instruction by way of email.

C.C.Sinned · 04-22-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

Well - I have come to the decision that I will not be attending church anymore. I still believe, but being total deaf and not understanding enough ASL for the deaf church to benefit me, and also being total deaf and not being able to follow along in a hearing church, what do I do? I had been sitting and reading in my bible and such. I decided that with the rising gas prices, I would stay home and do my study at home. If I have questions, I have at least 20 people to whom I trust from all different religions and beliefs that I can ask and get instruction by way of email.

I used to just sit up in the loft and worship in my own way. keeping to myself to just pray, meditate and reflect in my own way.

now, I do not believe anymore....

rockin'robin · 04-22-2012, 02:44 PM

Yesterday, I went to an indoor Flea Market and ran into a friend I had not seen in a long time...we sat at the Food Court and ate a sandwich and just talked....the discussion of Church came up...She asked if I was going to Church, and if I was, what Church?....I told her not at the present time I was not, I had my own reasons.....

She told me that at the Church she had been attending, the Preacher encouraged all the deaf members to "confess" anything they needed to talk about....one woman told the Preacher in private, that a male member had raped her.....and ALSO, 5 other women came and said the same thing.....

The Preacher told the male member that he was not welcome in that Church....and he needed to get married...since the male member said he was "sorry" but he was just "horny"....The Preacher told the male member that before he could come back to Church, he had to tell the women that he raped that he was sorry and beg for forgiveness......Then he would be allowed to come back to Church Services.....

NO WORD of anyone calling the Police to report this!....And to my knowledge, the Preacher was not of Catholic faith, he was a Baptist.....So that male member is....on Sunday's....sitting right there in Church....a FREE man....after raping 5 women in that Church....

It boggles my mind!...An unspeakable act!....and has deeply disturbed me also. It's what you would call a "serial rapist"...but he still walks the streets!

deafCHL · 04-22-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Yesterday, I went to an indoor Flea Market and ran into a friend I had not seen in a long time...we sat at the Food Court and ate a sandwich and just talked....the discussion of Church came up...She asked if I was going to Church, and if I was, what Church?....I told her not at the present time I was not, I had my own reasons.....

She told me that at the Church she had been attending, the Preacher encouraged all the deaf members to "confess" anything they needed to talk about....one woman told the Preacher in private, that a male member had raped her.....and ALSO, 5 other women came and said the same thing.....

The Preacher told the male member that he was not welcome in that Church....and he needed to get married...since the male member said he was "sorry" but he was just "horny"....The Preacher told the male member that before he could come back to Church, he had to tell the women that he raped that he was sorry and beg for forgiveness......Then he would be allowed to come back to Church Services.....

NO WORD of anyone calling the Police to report this!....And to my knowledge, the Preacher was not of Catholic faith, he was a Baptist.....So that male member is....on Sunday's....sitting right there in Church....a FREE man....after raping 5 women in that Church....

It boggles my mind!...An unspeakable act!....and has deeply disturbed me also. It's what you would call a "serial rapist"...but he still walks the streets!

He needed to "get married"? He had to apologize to the women before allowing to come back??? AND this "Preacher" didn't report to the police what happened????? Sorry, but that's just wrong on so many levels.

C.C.Sinned · 04-22-2012, 02:51 PM

that scumbag belongs in prison.

rockin'robin · 04-22-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

that scumbag belongs in prison.

Totally agree with that, CC.....and for the life of me, I cannot figure out "why" it was not reported to the Police....5 women!...They are Deaf....He is Deaf....and 56 years old.

C.C.Sinned · 04-22-2012, 03:14 PM

why don't the victims join forces and go to the cops?
that just sucks this scumbag is getting away with it....

**Reba** · 04-22-2012, 03:36 PM

That's odd that not even one woman reported the rape to the police or to a rape crisis center. It's also odd that the women would still want to attend the same church that the perp attends and have to see him every week. That's really sad for the women.

The pastor's advice to the man is really bizarre.

If the meetings with the pastor were private, how did the one woman find out about the other four women? How did she know what the pastor said to the rapist?

This whole situation is creepy and strange.

rockin'robin · 04-22-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

why don't the victims join forces and go to the cops?
that just sucks this scumbag is getting away with it....

I don't know why they didn't and why they don't report it....but I do know there are more rapes than have been reported....my guess is the embarrassment...but to my way of thinking, the Preacher should have encouraged these women to report it, as I believe the women would have listened to the Preacher....to me, this Preacher sounds very manipulative.

green427 · 04-22-2012, 04:35 PM

That's my problem with most churches....everyone is at the mercy of that specific preacher's point of view.

One deaf church preaches that you are not allowed to have sex with your own spouse for any reason other than to procreate. Another says it is a sin to use birth control. Same religion, different rules. We even had a deaf Baptist preacher tell us that our son is Autistic because we obviously committed a sin and never asked for forgiveness. He also said that my son was going to hell because he does not know how to accept Jesus as his saviour. Give me a ****ing break.

The way I see it, churches are supposed to be a gathering place for people to pray and help each other...today it seems like their goal is to get as much control over people's minds and money. There are just way too many hypocrites and dishonest preachers these days.

Out of all the preachers I've met, only one was truly down-to-earth and open minded, and I wanted to go to his church, which was unfortunately 4 states away.

rockin'robin · 04-22-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's odd that not even one woman reported the rape to the police or to a rape crisis center. It's also odd that the women would still want to attend the same church that the perp attends and have to see him every week. That's really sad for the women.

The pastor's advice to the man is really bizarre.

If the meetings with the pastor were private, how did the one woman find out about the other four women? How did she know what the pastor said to the rapist?

This whole situation is creepy and strange.

Yes, it's creepy and strange!...These women were friends with each other...so I feel this is how it came about...I also know one of the women. She no longer attends any Church, she shuns everyone, lives with her mother.

The Preacher himself, is deaf also. Now I could "try" to get these women to inform the Police about this....then again...(as it's bothering my conscience ever since I heard about it).....I don't know if I should get involved.....And I'm also thinking there may be more women who have been raped by this man, not only deaf women....It's a very sad situation with me.

I was thinking about calling our Legal Aid lawyer for the Deaf, Mrs. Castera, and inform her of what I know.....it really depresses me.

airportcop · 04-22-2012, 10:15 PM

The important thing that seems to be getting missed by some is the importance of fellowship with like minded people. That is part of what a church is about. It's not all about the pastor but his role is very important. Prayer and the reading of the Bible is also very important. It is a relationship between us and God. Very personal but very needed.

**Reba** · 04-22-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Yes, it's creepy and strange!...These women were friends with each other...so I feel this is how it came about...I also know one of the women. She no longer attends any Church, she shuns everyone, lives with her mother.

The Preacher himself, is deaf also. Now I could "try" to get these women to inform the Police about this....then again...(as it's bothering my conscience ever since I heard about it).....I don't know if I should get involved.....And I'm also thinking there may be more women who have been raped by this man, not only deaf women....It's a very sad situation with me.

I was thinking about calling our Legal Aid lawyer for the Deaf, Mrs. Castera, and inform her of what I know.....it really depresses me.

You might also want to talk with a rape crisis center counselor. They might be able to advise you on how to proceed. They have a lot of experience, and understand the emotions that are involved. I believe if any of the women do want to go to the police, a volunteer from the center would be willing to accompany her for support.

Of course, they should have an interpreter available for this process, if they want.

GrayEagle · 04-23-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

I don't know why they didn't and why they don't report it....but I do know there are more rapes than have been reported....my guess is the embarrassment...but to my way of thinking, the Preacher should have encouraged these women to report it, as I believe the women would have listened to the Preacher....to me, this Preacher sounds very manipulative.

This preacher is a loser who doesn't protect his flock. Awful!

I feel so angry on behalf of those women! I hope Karma comes and lands full-force on the rapist *and* the preacher for doing nothing to help those women!

And that the women find the strength & support they need to go to the police and have this lowlife arrested.

Roger · 08-18-2012, 05:46 PM

I am very disappointed on how the "preacher" took care of this situations of those ladies. Either contact the local authorities or someone who deals with this circumstances.

katz4life · 08-18-2012, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by green427

That's my problem with most churches....everyone is at the mercy of that specific preacher's point of view.

One deaf church preaches that you are not allowed to have sex with your own spouse for any reason other than to procreate. Another says it is a sin to use birth control. Same religion, different rules. We even had a deaf Baptist preacher tell us that our son is Autistic because we obviously committed a sin and never asked for forgiveness. He also said that my son was going to hell because he does not know how to accept Jesus as his saviour. Give me a ****ing break.

The way I see it, churches are supposed to be a gathering place for people to pray and help each other...today it seems like their goal is to get as much control over people's minds and money. There are just way too many hypocrites and dishonest preachers these days.

Out of all the preachers I've met, only one was truly down-to-earth and open minded, and I wanted to go to his church, which was unfortunately 4 states away.

Hmm, I take that you're referring to Joe Kaplan the Deaf Preacher.

katz4life · 08-18-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Yesterday, I went to an indoor Flea Market and ran into a friend I had not seen in a long time...we sat at the Food Court and ate a sandwich and just talked....the discussion of Church came up...She asked if I was going to Church, and if I was, what Church?....I told her not at the present time I was not, I had my own reasons.....

She told me that at the Church she had been attending, the Preacher encouraged all the deaf members to "confess" anything they needed to talk about....one woman told the Preacher in private, that a male member had raped her.....and ALSO, 5 other women came and said the same thing.....

The Preacher told the male member that he was not welcome in that Church....and he needed to get married...since the male member said he was "sorry" but he was just "horny"....The Preacher told the male member that before he could come back to Church, he had to tell the women that he raped that he was sorry and beg for forgiveness......Then he would be allowed to come back to Church Services.....

NO WORD of anyone calling the Police to report this!....And to my knowledge, the Preacher was not of Catholic faith, he was a Baptist.....So that male member is....on Sunday's....sitting right there in Church....a FREE man....after raping 5 women in that Church....

It boggles my mind!...An unspeakable act!....and has deeply disturbed me also. It's what you would call a "serial rapist"...but he still walks the streets!

katz4life · 08-18-2012, 09:41 PM

Rockin' Robin......your post story about your friend's church is un-fricking-believable. =( Let me tell you about my church....which I haven't gone since I started working including every Sundays. I kind of miss attending there. Less than 6 Deaf members there at my church I am no longer friends with due to long stupid story in several seperate issues to each with them. Anyway, something happened about this guy that I know and had grew up with him at deaf school until I no longer was friend with him due to his long history of hypocriteness...I recently found out from a couple of good friends who are also members at my church, this guy got kicked out TWICE from the church in five years. First one, was because he bothered an underage young woman (he was 31 at that time) for "dating" which the young woman was not feeling comfortable and needed to get away from him as well. I guess the young woman (my also friend) was pretty smart and probably havehad a strong instinct that somethign was really wrong with this guy. To some of us who knew this guy very well, he has the history of addiction in porn especailly since when he was "born again" baptizied on November 17, 2002 (of course i would not forget that was just right before I no longer friendship with him.) He kind of raped my first old childhood best friend when she was 10 and he was 14. The young woman was so upset, nervous, had someone to talk to and informed the deaf ministry coorindator complaining about this guy. So the ministry decided to have the guy to leave the church and told him don't come back to the church. So three years later - 2010, they gave him second chance to welcome him back to the church after he behaved better and forgiveness, or whatever I was not there at the time while i was living another residence far away. Here he went again in March 2012 probably several weeks after I started working full-time, he got kicked out AGAIN. The reason was the SAME!!! with different young woman member, who is also my friend. She is not an underage but 30 years old and he is 36 now) it was not only that reason he got kicked out but ALSO reason,at same around time happened in MARCH, he got caught looking at porn video on his iPhone or iPad in his car, I think right outside of church in parking lot by one of the hearing pastors. Oooh noo busted...i think he is gone for good.I am not so surprised...because he has this interest in porn since he was 12 years old. He told me when we were friends. Soooo the women are better off safe away from him for good, period. He married underage wife she was 15 and he was 19....to which they had baby together. They divorced a several years later. So he is stil DESPERATE looking to bother ladies for dates....i know it means SEX. Don't ask me how many women he had slept with WHILE he is being born again christian. YUCK

**KristinaB** · 08-18-2012, 10:35 PM

I am going to go back to the deaf church I was attending before. We will see if things are better this time around. If not, then I will remain with my decision to just deal with bible lessons and readings on my own and lessons from the internet for adult bible study.

04-21-2012, 11:04 PM	#61 (permalink)
deafCHL Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Rye, TX Posts: 22	I was born and raised Catholic, but I don't believe that BS that a human, even if priest, bishop, or Pop can "Absolve you of your sin". Sorry, that don't fly with me. To me, only God can forgive sin. The last few years I've been leaning more towards "Church Of Christ". airportcop likes this.

04-21-2012, 11:10 PM	#62 (permalink)
drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,120	Another resurrection of old threads-Deaf churches! Not a "hot topic" over the last 2 years. __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

04-22-2012, 09:28 AM	#66 (permalink)
drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,120	I realize right away the forum's rules-no religious discussion. I am not sure if theology has ever been "split" into "hearing or Deaf". Probably "locked" shortly. __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

04-22-2012, 09:40 AM	#67 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,087	Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Bold ) Religious discussion is different than a query into finding a specific dhh service. It's always been acceptable to ask "do you know where I can find a d/hh friendly ...." Be that school, dentist, dr, place of worship etc. To deafCHL - there are a number of weekly live/streamed or recorded services online. Also contacting your denominations diocese/synod is a good way to find out what services are available locally. Also sontact your school for the deaf, or deaf community they should be able to get you in touch with a place that works for you. If you're into mega churches, you can likely call /email one up directly and ask if they have interpreters, or would be willing to get them. Most have a massive budget and can easily provide 'terped services on request. airportcop likes this. __________________ Hoh/Deaf ~ +120db deaf right , mild/mod flux left & APD English & ASL ...PAH!! Ignorance is NOT Bliss

04-22-2012, 12:34 PM	#68 (permalink)
GrayEagle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California Posts: 526	As a HOH person, whose hearing aids no longer help much in hearing sermons, or attending services with a lot of verbal stuff, I follow my own religious practices mostly as a solitary, with meditation and t'ai chi practices. I tried a couple of places for whom I felt an affinity, but they couldn't afford CART, nor an ASL interpreter for that matter, so I found that going my own way suited me best. rockin'robin likes this. __________________ "We deem those happy who from the experience of life have learnt to bear its ills without being overcome by them." ~~Carl Jung

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04-22-2012, 12:46 PM	#69 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	I think that this is a very healthy discussion that should not be banned. Worship is important to many people. Thanks to those brave enough to participate. __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

04-22-2012, 01:01 PM	#70 (permalink)
GrayEagle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California Posts: 526	My post originally was in more detail about my particular experiences & path, but after reading some of the other posts above, I deleted it and made it short. __________________ "We deem those happy who from the experience of life have learnt to bear its ills without being overcome by them." ~~Carl Jung

04-22-2012, 01:41 PM	#71 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,218	My church provides interpreters for all services, if requested. We aren't paid to interpret.

04-22-2012, 02:26 PM	#72 (permalink)
KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,779	Well - I have come to the decision that I will not be attending church anymore. I still believe, but being total deaf and not understanding enough ASL for the deaf church to benefit me, and also being total deaf and not being able to follow along in a hearing church, what do I do? I had been sitting and reading in my bible and such. I decided that with the rising gas prices, I would stay home and do my study at home. If I have questions, I have at least 20 people to whom I trust from all different religions and beliefs that I can ask and get instruction by way of email. rockin'robin likes this. __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

04-22-2012, 02:44 PM	#74 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,339	Yesterday, I went to an indoor Flea Market and ran into a friend I had not seen in a long time...we sat at the Food Court and ate a sandwich and just talked....the discussion of Church came up...She asked if I was going to Church, and if I was, what Church?....I told her not at the present time I was not, I had my own reasons..... She told me that at the Church she had been attending, the Preacher encouraged all the deaf members to "confess" anything they needed to talk about....one woman told the Preacher in private, that a male member had raped her.....and ALSO, 5 other women came and said the same thing..... The Preacher told the male member that he was not welcome in that Church....and he needed to get married...since the male member said he was "sorry" but he was just "horny"....The Preacher told the male member that before he could come back to Church, he had to tell the women that he raped that he was sorry and beg for forgiveness......Then he would be allowed to come back to Church Services..... NO WORD of anyone calling the Police to report this!....And to my knowledge, the Preacher was not of Catholic faith, he was a Baptist.....So that male member is....on Sunday's....sitting right there in Church....a FREE man....after raping 5 women in that Church.... It boggles my mind!...An unspeakable act!....and has deeply disturbed me also. It's what you would call a "serial rapist"...but he still walks the streets!

04-22-2012, 02:51 PM	#76 (permalink)
C.C.Sinned Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,476	that scumbag belongs in prison. __________________

04-22-2012, 03:14 PM	#78 (permalink)
C.C.Sinned Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,476	why don't the victims join forces and go to the cops? that just sucks this scumbag is getting away with it.... __________________

04-22-2012, 03:36 PM	#79 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,218	That's odd that not even one woman reported the rape to the police or to a rape crisis center. It's also odd that the women would still want to attend the same church that the perp attends and have to see him every week. That's really sad for the women. The pastor's advice to the man is really bizarre. If the meetings with the pastor were private, how did the one woman find out about the other four women? How did she know what the pastor said to the rapist? This whole situation is creepy and strange. airportcop likes this.

04-22-2012, 04:35 PM	#81 (permalink)
green427 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Cooch's Bridge Battlefield Posts: 1,632	That's my problem with most churches....everyone is at the mercy of that specific preacher's point of view. One deaf church preaches that you are not allowed to have sex with your own spouse for any reason other than to procreate. Another says it is a sin to use birth control. Same religion, different rules. We even had a deaf Baptist preacher tell us that our son is Autistic because we obviously committed a sin and never asked for forgiveness. He also said that my son was going to hell because he does not know how to accept Jesus as his saviour. Give me a ***ing break. The way I see it, churches are supposed to be a gathering place for people to pray and help each other...today it seems like their goal is to get as much control over people's minds and money. There are just way too many hypocrites and dishonest preachers these days. Out of all the preachers I've met, only one was truly down-to-earth and open minded, and I wanted to go to his church, which was unfortunately 4 states away. C.C.Sinned likes this. __________________ Warning: Anything I post may not make any sense. All advice is for entertainment value only. Sarcasm might be present. Interpret at your own risk.*

04-22-2012, 10:15 PM	#83 (permalink)
airportcop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,088	The important thing that seems to be getting missed by some is the importance of fellowship with like minded people. That is part of what a church is about. It's not all about the pastor but his role is very important. Prayer and the reading of the Bible is also very important. It is a relationship between us and God. Very personal but very needed. Reba likes this. __________________ Romans 12:12 (NIV) Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

08-18-2012, 05:46 PM	#86 (permalink)
Roger Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 97 Blog Entries: 8	I am very disappointed on how the "preacher" took care of this situations of those ladies. Either contact the local authorities or someone who deals with this circumstances. __________________ Trust in God. Minister and Chaplain R.A. Sanchez Jr. D.D. Education: Doctor of Divinity Working toward Doctor of Theology. http://groups.myspace.com/MinistyForTheDeafandHOH http://believeringodsword.blogspot.com/

08-18-2012, 09:41 PM	#89 (permalink)
katz4life Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queen City Posts: 1,378	Rockin' Robin......your post story about your friend's church is un-fricking-believable. =( Let me tell you about my church....which I haven't gone since I started working including every Sundays. I kind of miss attending there. Less than 6 Deaf members there at my church I am no longer friends with due to long stupid story in several seperate issues to each with them. Anyway, something happened about this guy that I know and had grew up with him at deaf school until I no longer was friend with him due to his long history of hypocriteness...I recently found out from a couple of good friends who are also members at my church, this guy got kicked out TWICE from the church in five years. First one, was because he bothered an underage young woman (he was 31 at that time) for "dating" which the young woman was not feeling comfortable and needed to get away from him as well. I guess the young woman (my also friend) was pretty smart and probably havehad a strong instinct that somethign was really wrong with this guy. To some of us who knew this guy very well, he has the history of addiction in porn especailly since when he was "born again" baptizied on November 17, 2002 (of course i would not forget that was just right before I no longer friendship with him.) He kind of raped my first old childhood best friend when she was 10 and he was 14. The young woman was so upset, nervous, had someone to talk to and informed the deaf ministry coorindator complaining about this guy. So the ministry decided to have the guy to leave the church and told him don't come back to the church. So three years later - 2010, they gave him second chance to welcome him back to the church after he behaved better and forgiveness, or whatever I was not there at the time while i was living another residence far away. Here he went again in March 2012 probably several weeks after I started working full-time, he got kicked out AGAIN. The reason was the SAME!!! with different young woman member, who is also my friend. She is not an underage but 30 years old and he is 36 now) it was not only that reason he got kicked out but ALSO reason,at same around time happened in MARCH, he got caught looking at porn video on his iPhone or iPad in his car, I think right outside of church in parking lot by one of the hearing pastors. Oooh noo busted...i think he is gone for good.I am not so surprised...because he has this interest in porn since he was 12 years old. He told me when we were friends. Soooo the women are better off safe away from him for good, period. He married underage wife she was 15 and he was 19....to which they had baby together. They divorced a several years later. So he is stil DESPERATE looking to bother ladies for dates....i know it means SEX. Don't ask me how many women he had slept with WHILE he is being born again christian. YUCK __________________ ~katz4life~

08-18-2012, 10:35 PM	#90 (permalink)
KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,779	I am going to go back to the deaf church I was attending before. We will see if things are better this time around. If not, then I will remain with my decision to just deal with bible lessons and readings on my own and lessons from the internet for adult bible study. __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

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