Are Most Deaf In the USA On SSI? I don't think that is true.

deafskeptic · 11-04-2009, 12:13 PM

Someone told me he heard most of the deaf here in the USA are on SSI/SSDI. If this is true, I want to see that changed.

***Brian*** · 11-04-2009, 12:17 PM

I don't know if there is any truth to this, but I have heard that at least sixty-percent (60%) of Deaf people are unemployed.

It seems a bit far-fetched.

Frisky Feline · 11-04-2009, 12:25 PM

what if low funcitoning people who are deaf?

I dont know if thats true.

diehardbiker · 11-04-2009, 02:07 PM

The estimate is 90% of Deaf in New York State does not have employment, here is link

Gov. Paterson: SNL is Enabling Prejudice Against the Disabled - Political Punch

souggy · 11-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Wonder many of the unemployed are late-deafened...

Topgun · 11-04-2009, 02:34 PM

You cannot count on the percentage because they account for all deaf people. People who have just became deaf through old age, blind people who are deaf, and low funtioning people who are deaf as well. Every single deaf ear is counted and this causes the percentage to seem very high.

Even people who are retired and recieving their pensions as well as thier SSI checks due to their age. Even they are counted for if they are deaf.

When counting how many unemployed people in the United States there are, then they count everyone without a job. Even those who are retired because they no longer have a job. They are living off their retirements or SSI. This is another cause for high numbers.

"Percentages are always souring and falling, but they are not real." -DAS

rockin'robin · 11-04-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

The estimate is 90% of Deaf in New York State does not have employment, here is link

Gov. Paterson: SNL is Enabling Prejudice Against the Disabled - Political Punch

90% ??...Unbelievable!

Passionate4ASL · 11-04-2009, 04:13 PM

Would be interesting to make this an AD poll.

diehardbiker · 11-04-2009, 04:16 PM

I can believe because if you go to different stores, different companies, different factories what are the chances are that you would find Deaf employees there? Mind you, there are around 1% of Deaf in community, why rarely you will find Deaf in workplace?

Also, here in Rochester, we have at least 10% Deaf in our community, and I rarely see companies that got more than 1% of Deaf in their workplace with one exception my job which exceeded that major time.

My last Job with Contact lens manufacturer once had 7 Deafies work together and they got over 1,100 employees, why only .7% work there?

This is way obviously! But to prove them that there is clear discrimination? You can figure out how closed mind hearing people are.

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

90% ??...Unbelievable!

PowerON · 11-04-2009, 04:28 PM

If that so, then it mean there are over 30 million deaf in US, and deaf people are on SSI, over 27 millions. While rest of them are about 3 millions on job. That's pity.

shel90 · 11-04-2009, 05:45 PM

Hearing people need to stop relying solely on hearing to perform many tasks. Too many narrow-minded hearing people out there so change will take a long time.

deafskeptic · 11-04-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Topgun

You cannot count on the percentage because they account for all deaf people. People who have just became deaf through old age, blind people who are deaf, and low funtioning people who are deaf as well. Every single deaf ear is counted and this causes the percentage to seem very high.

Even people who are retired and recieving their pensions as well as thier SSI checks due to their age. Even they are counted for if they are deaf.

When counting how many unemployed people in the United States there are, then they count everyone without a job. Even those who are retired because they no longer have a job. They are living off their retirements or SSI. This is another cause for high numbers.

"Percentages are always souring and falling, but they are not real." -DAS

I hear NAD wants a survey done on deaf unemployment and that it wants it to better eflect the number of cultureally deaf people who are on SSI/SSDI.

That number is unacceptably high in my eyes.

Tousi · 11-04-2009, 07:33 PM

Well, for whatever it is worth, I will opine that there are a lot more deaf folks on SSI than some of you think. In addition to some of the comments above pointing that way, I add that schools actually encourage, even assist their students to apply for it. Sad, eh?

deafskeptic · 11-04-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Hearing people need to stop relying solely on hearing to perform many stops. Too many narrow-minded hearing people out there so change will take a long time.

I agree. At times I think the best course is to start your own business or work in the deaf ed related fields and that trying to find a job with hearing business is not recommended at all. But while that will help deaf we can't completely cut off the hearing so the deaf community will have to work on changing the bias against hiring deaf. It will take a long time to change that.

deafskeptic · 11-04-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

what if low funcitoning people who are deaf?

I dont know if thats true.

I don't think 60% of deaf are low fuctioning.

Tousi · 11-04-2009, 07:50 PM

I also think that employment for deaf folks will increase significantly if the governments paid for interpreters.

souggy · 11-04-2009, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I don't think 60% of deaf are low fuctioning.

Not to mention, a lot of them can get jobs doing dishes... or cleaning. A lot of those types of jobs are taken up by low-functioning people, rather than Deaf.

Frisky Feline · 11-04-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Not to mention, a lot of them can get jobs doing dishes... or cleaning. A lot of those types of jobs are taken up by low-functioning people, rather than Deaf.

That's true.

deafdyke · 11-04-2009, 08:04 PM

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In addition to some of the comments above pointing that way, I add that schools actually encourage, even assist their students to apply for it.

Well in their defense...........One reason why a lot of people apply for Disabilty is b/c they can't afford or can't qualify (due to preexisting conditions) health insurance.

Mr. Averythest · 11-04-2009, 08:11 PM

to be honest - mild low functioning deaf people are the ones i see doing most of the work. Smart ones are the ones that are on the system.

I have a friend that is thinking about quitting his pretty good paying job to be on SSDI so he can try to get on a professional cycling team.

diehardbiker · 11-04-2009, 08:40 PM

That would be best way... VRI!

I personally support VRI and hope one day it will become reality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tousi

I also think that employment for deaf folks will increase significantly if the governments paid for interpreters.

Berry · 11-04-2009, 08:54 PM

The last time I mentioned to the bosses at my job that there is not a single job there a deaf person could not do I was told "They are a danger to themselves and everyone else here. No way could they hear a forklift coming."

Excuse me. The forklifts are electric. There is no way ANYONE can hear them coming.

I can't even hear the one I'm driving.

shel90 · 11-04-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Berry

The last time I mentioned to the bosses at my job that there is not a single job there a deaf person could not do I was told "They are a danger to themselves and everyone else here. No way could they hear a forklift coming."

Excuse me. The forklifts are electric. There is no way ANYONE can hear them coming.

I can't even hear the one I'm driving.

Exactly my point...too many hearing employers seem to find one excuse after another not to hire deaf people. It is beyond ridiculous. In the old days when people werent properly educated about what deaf people can or cant do, it made sense but nowadays..no excuse at all. Some people are just plain stupid and are allowing that stupidity to deprive many good working deaf people of good jobs.

Topgun · 11-04-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I can believe because if you go to different stores, different companies, different factories what are the chances are that you would find Deaf employees there? Mind you, there are around 1% of Deaf in community, why rarely you will find Deaf in workplace?

Also, here in Rochester, we have at least 10% Deaf in our community, and I rarely see companies that got more than 1% of Deaf in their workplace with one exception my job which exceeded that major time.

My last Job with Contact lens manufacturer once had 7 Deafies work together and they got over 1,100 employees, why only .7% work there?

This is way obviously! But to prove them that there is clear discrimination? You can figure out how closed mind hearing people are.

Hold your horses! A 10 Percent is a big number for deaf people. How positive are you that this percent does not count for the college students at NTID? Most of them move away back to their real homes after graduating. So how sure are you?

Topgun · 11-04-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I don't think 60% of deaf are low fuctioning.

I agree, there is no way unless your only counting low functioning people who are deaf, but leaving just plain deaf folks out of it.

souggy · 11-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I agree. At times I think the best course is to start your own business or work in the deaf ed related fields and that trying to find a job with hearing business is not recommended at all. But while that will help deaf we can't completely cut off the hearing so the deaf community will have to work on changing the bias against hiring deaf. It will take a long time to change that.

*coughs*Islay*coughs*

Topgun · 11-04-2009, 09:50 PM

I myself am a worker and I work for a living, but sadly I have friends who are on SSI. They are damn well capable of working. I have low funcation friends and almost all of them have jobs.

I never thought about this until now. It truly is very sad and very depressing.

Mr. Averythest · 11-04-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topgun

I myself am a worker and I work for a living, but sadly I have friends who are on SSI. They are damn well capable of working. I have low funcation friends and almost all of them have jobs.

I never thought about this until now. It truly is very sad and very depressing.

see... just like what I said.

diehardbiker · 11-04-2009, 10:13 PM

NTID has about 1,500 Deaf students, so doing algebra, meaning there is only 15,000 Rochesterians livng in Rochester area, isn't that number way too low?

add note: I just re-calculate, interesting, 1,500 Deaf students at NTID divided by 768,000 residents in Monroe County, NY which gives .19% That's one-fifth percent Where is 9.81% Deafies are from?

So pointing at NTID is moot point!

I am in Rochester and know around Rochester, seen enough, and nope, it is not true that most Deaf graduates head back home, I have seen them moving out of Rochester only to move back in here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topgun

Hold your horses! A 10 Percent is a big number for deaf people. How positive are you that this percent does not count for the college students at NTID? Most of them move away back to their real homes after graduating. So how sure are you?

Berry · 11-04-2009, 10:33 PM

I wonder how many deaf graduates with degrees have jobs?

I wonder how many have jobs commensurate with their degrees?

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*Brian* 極度の調整器 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,629	I don't know if there is any truth to this, but I have heard that at least sixty-percent (60%) of Deaf people are unemployed. It seems a bit far-fetched.

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Frisky Feline Provoke, Pounce, Purr Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,691	what if low funcitoning people who are deaf? I dont know if thats true.

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Topgun Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In Northern Cambria, Pa. Posts: 53	You cannot count on the percentage because they account for all deaf people. People who have just became deaf through old age, blind people who are deaf, and low funtioning people who are deaf as well. Every single deaf ear is counted and this causes the percentage to seem very high. Even people who are retired and recieving their pensions as well as thier SSI checks due to their age. Even they are counted for if they are deaf. When counting how many unemployed people in the United States there are, then they count everyone without a job. Even those who are retired because they no longer have a job. They are living off their retirements or SSI. This is another cause for high numbers. "Percentages are always souring and falling, but they are not real." -DAS

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,989 Blog Entries: 3	Hearing people need to stop relying solely on hearing to perform many tasks. Too many narrow-minded hearing people out there so change will take a long time. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana Last edited by shel90; 11-04-2009 at 07:49 PM.

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,573	Well, for whatever it is worth, I will opine that there are a lot more deaf folks on SSI than some of you think. In addition to some of the comments above pointing that way, I add that schools actually encourage, even assist their students to apply for it. Sad, eh?

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,573	I also think that employment for deaf folks will increase significantly if the governments paid for interpreters.

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Mr. Averythest apotheosis, paragon of Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,840	to be honest - mild low functioning deaf people are the ones i see doing most of the work. Smart ones are the ones that are on the system. I have a friend that is thinking about quitting his pretty good paying job to be on SSDI so he can try to get on a professional cycling team. __________________ Bewb patrol here. I'd love to see your bewbs, please send them to me in PM here. Sets of bewbs sent to my pm box: 6 w00t! You guys are awesome! Keep sendin' em in! Itchy groin ASL and Deaf happy hour at Avery Brewery info (January 5th 2010)

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Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 695	The last time I mentioned to the bosses at my job that there is not a single job there a deaf person could not do I was told "They are a danger to themselves and everyone else here. No way could they hear a forklift coming." Excuse me. The forklifts are electric. There is no way ANYONE can hear them coming. I can't even hear the one I'm driving. __________________ . Living life in the sandbox.

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Topgun Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In Northern Cambria, Pa. Posts: 53	I myself am a worker and I work for a living, but sadly I have friends who are on SSI. They are damn well capable of working. I have low funcation friends and almost all of them have jobs. I never thought about this until now. It truly is very sad and very depressing. __________________ Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy. -Aristotle

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Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 695	I wonder how many deaf graduates with degrees have jobs? I wonder how many have jobs commensurate with their degrees? __________________ . Living life in the sandbox.

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