Are Most Deaf In the USA On SSI? I don't think that is true. - Page 2

Tousi · 11-04-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Well in their defense...........One reason why a lot of people apply for Disabilty is b/c they can't afford or can't qualify (due to preexisting conditions) health insurance.

I'm not following you at all. At schools who encourage this behavior, they encourage all of the students who become of age, without regard to any criteria such as the one you proffered. What's the matter with these schools? Why are they even in deaf education?

Mr. Averythest · 11-04-2009, 10:43 PM

Well - You can go to my newest thread =D

diehardbiker · 11-04-2009, 11:39 PM

He is right, here is perfect example

I was former SSI, and its been struggling with catch 22. Because I was eligible for Medicaid which covers my asthma expenses, and when I find a job, my income will instantly exceeded medicaid limits and cut off right away, I could get health insurance with new employer, but the problem is that the health insurance sees my asthma as pre-existing condition and will not cover, maintaining Asthma is NOT cheap, and can easily wipe out minimum wage income alone without rent. Thats scary, Health insurance industry really in for profit on top of health.

With this, how am I going to survive? Its easier to stay with SSI until a employer that offers decent health care and ignoring my pre-existing condition.

You may not realize how dysfunctional this country government is. That is why I support Obamacare to solve this catch 22 cycles.

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I'm not following you at all. At schools who encourage this behavior, they encourage all of the students who become of age, without regard to any criteria such as the one you proffered. What's the matter with these schools? Why are they even in deaf education?

Mr. Averythest · 11-04-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

He is right, here is perfect example

I was former SSI, and its been struggling with catch 22. Because I was eligible for Medicaid which covers my asthma expenses, and when I find a job, my income will instantly exceeded medicaid limits and cut off right away, I could get health insurance with new employer, but the problem is that the health insurance sees my asthma as pre-existing condition and will not cover, maintaining Asthma is NOT cheap, and can easily wipe out minimum wage income alone without rent. Thats scary, Health insurance industry really in for profit on top of health.

With this, how am I going to survive? Its easier to stay with SSI until a employer that offers decent health care and ignoring my pre-existing condition.

You may not realize how dysfunctional this country government is. That is why I support Obamacare to solve this catch 22 cycles.

I disagree with Obamacare. It wont solve the cycle.

Think about it - you make minimum wage - and you *have* to pay for insurance, or get fined. You may still can't afford it, but who cares, you're gonna get fined.
The people who are really happy is the doctors who benefit from this.
The European approach is much better - The law is the government is required to provide insurance to you instead of you are required to get your own insurance.

sara1981 · 11-05-2009, 12:37 AM

i remind when President Obama promise have cut taxes and also SSI/SSDI

and also this year i never got check this years but my mom told me explains about that i understand but Social Security office make decision about that..

im been unemployer for months i know its hard search jobs for deaf people im pray get jobs somedays..

diehardbiker · 11-05-2009, 06:07 AM

This is very misunderstood, no that is not what he meant, he meant that everybody is required to have insurance, those who can't afford will be able to get one at very steep discount or even free. Right now the income threshold is way way too low making alot people easily disqualified, this needs to be changed.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I disagree with Obamacare. It wont solve the cycle.

Think about it - you make minimum wage - and you *have* to pay for insurance, or get fined. You may still can't afford it, but who cares, you're gonna get fined.
The people who are really happy is the doctors who benefit from this.
The European approach is much better - The law is the government is required to provide insurance to you instead of you are required to get your own insurance.

Cheri · 11-05-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Berry

The last time I mentioned to the bosses at my job that there is not a single job there a deaf person could not do I was told "They are a danger to themselves and everyone else here. No way could they hear a forklift coming."

Excuse me. The forklifts are electric. There is no way ANYONE can hear them coming.

I can't even hear the one I'm driving.

That's what I've been told when I applied for a job at a former Tops warehouse ( food industry) a couple years ago.

So you're actually saying nobody could hear a forklift coming? So basically I've been lied to

Mr. Averythest · 11-05-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

That's what I've been told when I applied for a job at a former Tops warehouse ( food industry) a couple years ago.

So you're actually saying nobody could hear a forklift coming? So basically I've been lied to

Electric Forklifts are quiet. Hearing people just ignore it.

I've been told that I can't operate a forklift because I cant hear the beeper.
I then told the HR people "Ya know, it's more safe for me to be INSIDE the forklift because if I can't hear it coming towards me...." they quickly got me the forklift cert.

I'm damn proud of my forklift skillz.

Cheri · 11-05-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Exactly my point...too many hearing employers seem to find one excuse after another not to hire deaf people. It is beyond ridiculous. In the old days when people werent properly educated about what deaf people can or cant do, it made sense but nowadays..no excuse at all. Some people are just plain stupid and are allowing that stupidity to deprive many good working deaf people of good jobs.

!!

I don't put down that I'm deaf on my resume or job application because I want them to give a deaf person the same chance as a hearing person when it come down to an interview. If I did put deaf on my resume or job application, it's a possibility that they will dump my resume or job application in the reject pile.

The bottom line is that I don't understand why deaf have to be an issue when you know that you can do the job? Many times we can't seem to get an even break. When I get turned down on a job, I would asked why won't you give me a chance?? I know I can do this job, if you would just allow me to prove it to you. Sometimes they will give me a chance sometimes they won't.

So I don't blame deaf people for being on SSI, They tried to find jobs and I hope they don't give up on finding job though.

Oddball · 11-05-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I can believe because if you go to different stores, different companies, different factories what are the chances are that you would find Deaf employees there? Mind you, there are around 1% of Deaf in community, why rarely you will find Deaf in workplace?

Also, here in Rochester, we have at least 10% Deaf in our community, and I rarely see companies that got more than 1% of Deaf in their workplace with one exception my job which exceeded that major time.

My last Job with Contact lens manufacturer once had 7 Deafies work together and they got over 1,100 employees, why only .7% work there?

This is way obviously! But to prove them that there is clear discrimination? You can figure out how closed mind hearing people are.

Thats common knowledge. Most hearing people are just simply uneducated and plainly stupid.

Deaf people need jobs to bring their food into the table. How sad.

Mr. Averythest · 11-05-2009, 11:48 AM

Just a FYI -
I tried this bitching on a hearing guy who was an exec of a company. We were in a bar, and he got all pissed off, dragged me across the bar, took a napkin and wrote on it.

This is what he said:

If you wanted a job in higher ups in management, and they dont give you a job - go through the EEOC and sue for the job itself. Agree on a 3 month probation, and if they like you, they will keep you! After all, higher up management is mostly emails these days! It's business not personal. Don't give me shit about being deaf and all.

I STFU after that. So, I suggest you guys to do the same.

diehardbiker · 11-05-2009, 01:45 PM

I can see where these executive stand. They aren't the ones that doing hiring. It is hiring people that does the dirty work, and executives may not be aware of it. I wouldn't point any of my fingers to executives, they do not have time for hiring people and blaming games.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Just a FYI -
I tried this bitching on a hearing guy who was an exec of a company. We were in a bar, and he got all pissed off, dragged me across the bar, took a napkin and wrote on it.

This is what he said:

If you wanted a job in higher ups in management, and they dont give you a job - go through the EEOC and sue for the job itself. Agree on a 3 month probation, and if they like you, they will keep you! After all, higher up management is mostly emails these days! It's business not personal. Don't give me shit about being deaf and all.

I STFU after that. So, I suggest you guys to do the same.

Topgun · 11-05-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

NTID has about 1,500 Deaf students, so doing algebra, meaning there is only 15,000 Rochesterians livng in Rochester area, isn't that number way too low?

add note: I just re-calculate, interesting, 1,500 Deaf students at NTID divided by 768,000 residents in Monroe County, NY which gives .19% That's one-fifth percent Where is 9.81% Deafies are from?

So pointing at NTID is moot point!

I am in Rochester and know around Rochester, seen enough, and nope, it is not true that most Deaf graduates head back home, I have seen them moving out of Rochester only to move back in here.

Well you have NTID, Buffalo school for the deaf and you have RSD. Anyone of legal age is counted for... I am not saying that you are wrong or right, but I am saying that the percentage is a bit crooked. Also, many teenagers are on SSI while they are in highschool due to parents. My mom had me on SSI when I was little and once you have it you cannot lose it unless you have a job or your parents make more than enough alone. My mom and Dad never married so according to the law she never made enough alone to have me taken off of it. Once I reached 18 years old, I signed off of it before I went to college.

I was on it since 4 years old. I got off of it at 18.. So do not forget to count them as well.

Topgun · 11-05-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I disagree with Obamacare. It wont solve the cycle.

Think about it - you make minimum wage - and you *have* to pay for insurance, or get fined. You may still can't afford it, but who cares, you're gonna get fined.
The people who are really happy is the doctors who benefit from this.
The European approach is much better - The law is the government is required to provide insurance to you instead of you are required to get your own insurance.

What?? The Dr. do not benefit from the Obamacare. Where have you been? Insurance companies are pissed. They don't want the Obamacare plan because they will make less. If they make less, then Dr. will make less; however, in a sense they may make more, but not benefit from it. With everyone able to afford health care then there will be more patients; therefore, dr in some way will make more, but they have to work more as well. They will be followed very closely on how they manage. They have to docoment more than they use to. This is a whole lot more work for them now. They are not happy about it either, but they know the system has got to change. This has pissed insurance companies off even more. They do not want the Government to watch how they do things. This will prevent the insurance companies from being bad boys.

The system we have now is awful. People in the United States have a higher chance at dying at 60 or 70 than people in other countries. This is bad not good. People in other countries live pass those ages. Because of our stupid health care plan right now we die at those ages. They deny as they see fit, but in the new Obamacare plan they are not allowed to do that.

They have to care for them no matter what..... I got a question for ya. Which would you perfer? to be eligible for full coverage in health care at the age of 65 or at 40?

Which do you perfer? to spend billions more every year for what is owed on our yearly dues for our health care plan now? Or save a billion in the obamacare plan?

pixiestix · 11-05-2009, 04:32 PM

That is true that my teachers in high school did tell us deafies about SSI and we can apply for it.

I did think about it, but I have never tried, and I always prefer working instead of SSI!

diehardbiker · 11-05-2009, 05:10 PM

Yup, thats true

even worse, every year health insurance cost increase more than 10% (Sometimes even 20%), while overall cost of living increase averaged only 3%, been like that since 1970's this shows clearly abusive practice after Nixon deregulate the Health insurance regulations.

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Originally Posted by Topgun

What?? The Dr. do not benefit from the Obamacare. Where have you been? Insurance companies are pissed. They don't want the Obamacare plan because they will make less. If they make less, then Dr. will make less; however, in a sense they may make more, but not benefit from it. With everyone able to afford health care then there will be more patients; therefore, dr in some way will make more, but they have to work more as well. They will be followed very closely on how they manage. They have to docoment more than they use to. This is a whole lot more work for them now. They are not happy about it either, but they know the system has got to change. This has pissed insurance companies off even more. They do not want the Government to watch how they do things. This will prevent the insurance companies from being bad boys.

The system we have now is awful. People in the United States have a higher chance at dying at 60 or 70 than people in other countries. This is bad not good. People in other countries live pass those ages. Because of our stupid health care plan right now we die at those ages. They deny as they see fit, but in the new Obamacare plan they are not allowed to do that.

They have to care for them no matter what..... I got a question for ya. Which would you perfer? to be eligible for full coverage in health care at the age of 65 or at 40?

Which do you perfer? to spend billions more every year for what is owed on our yearly dues for our health care plan now? Or save a billion in the obamacare plan?

society's_child · 11-06-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I don't think 60% of deaf are low fuctioning.

Low functioning?

deafskeptic · 11-06-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Low functioning?

From what I can see when people refer to Deaf as low fuctioning, they are referring to Deaf with limited or no oral skills, low English skills. That is how I interupt it.

society's_child · 11-06-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

From what I can see when people refer to Deaf as low fuctioning, they are referring to Deaf with limited or no oral skills, low English skills. That is how I interupt it.

Oh I see.

Bottesini · 11-06-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Low functioning?

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Understanding
Individuals Who Are Deaf
and Low Functioning

Here is a link to a study that explains it from GWU.

http://www.gwu.edu/~iri/pdf/25.pdf

society's_child · 11-06-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Here is a link to a study that explains it from GWU.

http://www.gwu.edu/~iri/pdf/25.pdf

for the link.

sequoias · 11-06-2009, 01:01 PM

You know how dumb our government are....they are WASTING tax money on SSI with too many deaf people not working, means more tax wasted on that. If government encouraged deaf people to go work by providing better services for them to get employment, like free interpreting for example. It would save a lot on the taxpayers cost to SSI on millions of the deaf population. They would get MORE tax revenue from deaf people actually working paycheck to paycheck. I think government paying for interpreting is cheaper than paying deaf people SSI or whatever.

society's_child · 11-06-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

You know how dumb our government are....they are WASTING tax money on SSI with too many deaf people not working, means more tax wasted on that. If government encouraged deaf people to go work by providing better services for them to get employment, like free interpreting for example. It would save a lot on the taxpayers cost to SSI on millions of the deaf population. They would get MORE tax revenue from deaf people actually working paycheck to paycheck. I think government paying for interpreting is cheaper than paying deaf people SSI or whatever.

Lol, when has the government EVER been efficient in spending money?

Mr. Averythest · 11-06-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Topgun

What?? The Dr. do not benefit from the Obamacare. Where have you been? Insurance companies are pissed. They don't want the Obamacare plan because they will make less. If they make less, then Dr. will make less; however, in a sense they may make more, but not benefit from it. With everyone able to afford health care then there will be more patients; therefore, dr in some way will make more, but they have to work more as well. They will be followed very closely on how they manage. They have to docoment more than they use to. This is a whole lot more work for them now. They are not happy about it either, but they know the system has got to change. This has pissed insurance companies off even more. They do not want the Government to watch how they do things. This will prevent the insurance companies from being bad boys.

The system we have now is awful. People in the United States have a higher chance at dying at 60 or 70 than people in other countries. This is bad not good. People in other countries live pass those ages. Because of our stupid health care plan right now we die at those ages. They deny as they see fit, but in the new Obamacare plan they are not allowed to do that.

They have to care for them no matter what..... I got a question for ya. Which would you perfer? to be eligible for full coverage in health care at the age of 65 or at 40?

Which do you perfer? to spend billions more every year for what is owed on our yearly dues for our health care plan now? Or save a billion in the obamacare plan?

You think I don't know that our system in place currently is awful? Look at my thread titled "Are you sick of the USA."

What I want is: The law to simply say this - The government is required to give you insurance, not the other way around.

sequoias · 11-06-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Lol, when has the government EVER been efficient in spending money?

Never in our lifetime. It's my idea but I bet govt will not take that idea...they're too busy binkering.

Topgun · 11-06-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

You think I don't know that our system in place currently is awful? Look at my thread titled "Are you sick of the USA."

What I want is: The law to simply say this - The government is required to give you insurance, not the other way around.

Well the Obamacare plan nearly provides that. You cannot be denied even if you cannot afford it.

Get it?

Mr. Averythest · 11-06-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Topgun

Well the Obamacare plan nearly provides that. You cannot be denied even if you cannot afford it.

Get it?

If I don't get it, I get fined.
Get it?

You see - I do not want negative reinforcements in this country. That's what my beef is about.
Take a look at the prisons in Norway, please. =D

diehardbiker · 11-06-2009, 03:30 PM

No that is not what they mean, what they mean is IF you were offered a free health coverage and you decline that, you get fine, also if you REALLY can afford it, like your earning 500,000 a year and won't pay for health care, you get fine. Obamacare is trying to expand offer free health coverage to middle class. It is NO excuse for declining free health care.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

If I don't get it, I get fined.
Get it?

You see - I do not want negative reinforcements in this country. That's what my beef is about.
Take a look at the prisons in Norway, please. =D

Mr. Averythest · 11-06-2009, 03:33 PM

why make it so complicated?

Make it automatic, everyone is covered no matter what. *REGARDLESS of income*
Kind of like an unseen median. You go to the doctors, they bill the government. You have nothing to worry about.

diehardbiker · 11-06-2009, 03:40 PM

I know some people refused to accept free health care, this is not an excuse because a person who lacks health care gets sick, gives to other innocent people resulting sick, why pay multiple patients rather treat less patients to reduce the spread. Those people that refused should pay fine for this. Also, other issue is abortation, and immigrants, these should not take advantage of government monies.

The change in health reform is really badly needed, and people are just plain afraid of the changes and unknown. We all must accept the changes and move on, can't stay the old way and suffer needless.

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

why make it so complicated?

Make it automatic, everyone is covered no matter what. *REGARDLESS of income*
Kind of like an unseen median. You go to the doctors, they bill the government. You have nothing to worry about.

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Mr. Averythest apotheosis, paragon of Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,841	Just a FYI - I tried this bitching on a hearing guy who was an exec of a company. We were in a bar, and he got all pissed off, dragged me across the bar, took a napkin and wrote on it. This is what he said: If you wanted a job in higher ups in management, and they dont give you a job - go through the EEOC and sue for the job itself. Agree on a 3 month probation, and if they like you, they will keep you! After all, higher up management is mostly emails these days! It's business not personal. Don't give me shit about being deaf and all. I STFU after that. So, I suggest you guys to do the same. __________________ Bewb patrol here. I'd love to see your bewbs, please send them to me in PM here. Sets of bewbs sent to my pm box: 6 w00t! You guys are awesome! Keep sendin' em in! Itchy groin ASL and Deaf happy hour at Avery Brewery info (January 5th 2010)

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Mr. Averythest apotheosis, paragon of Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,841	why make it so complicated? Make it automatic, everyone is covered no matter what. REGARDLESS of income Kind of like an unseen median. You go to the doctors, they bill the government. You have nothing to worry about. __________________ Bewb patrol here. I'd love to see your bewbs, please send them to me in PM here. Sets of bewbs sent to my pm box: 6 w00t! You guys are awesome! Keep sendin' em in! Itchy groin ASL and Deaf happy hour at Avery Brewery info (January 5th 2010)

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pixiestix Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Washington 98003 Posts: 22	That is true that my teachers in high school did tell us deafies about SSI and we can apply for it. I did think about it, but I have never tried, and I always prefer working instead of SSI!

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sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: A little trip to the extraordinary. Posts: 16,295	You know how dumb our government are....they are WASTING tax money on SSI with too many deaf people not working, means more tax wasted on that. If government encouraged deaf people to go work by providing better services for them to get employment, like free interpreting for example. It would save a lot on the taxpayers cost to SSI on millions of the deaf population. They would get MORE tax revenue from deaf people actually working paycheck to paycheck. I think government paying for interpreting is cheaper than paying deaf people SSI or whatever.