Attn: Addressing some issues that has been going on. - Page 6

jillio · 10-16-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SerendipityG3A

Yeah, sorry about that, hope I wasn't too out of hand.

Its all good!

deafskeptic · 10-16-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SerendipityG3A

Yeah, sorry about that, hope I wasn't too out of hand.

Nah, I don't think you were out of hand.

Em903 · 11-15-2009, 05:21 PM

I think this needs a

... play nice boys and girls. Noticing it's been a lil heated recently again... If you want an argument, back it up with facts, or state it's your opinion and respect others' opinions. No need for name calling and cat/dog fights!

Eve · 11-15-2009, 10:02 PM

Ya know, until there are actual CONSEQUENCES for this sort of behavior, you can preach and preach on the subject till you are blue in the face and nothing will change. The culprits of such behavior are the same individuals who recognize this behavior in others, but never in themselves. The mods need to step up to the plate and start warning and banning the offending parties and stop overlooking the foul actions of those that make the rest of us uncomfortable with any form of debate on this forum.

kokonut · 11-15-2009, 10:10 PM

It's really a lost cause, Eve. For some, it's just easier to attack individuals rather than the arguments. Yet claim they're for discussions when their actions tell otherwise.

Lighthouse77 · 11-16-2009, 09:11 PM

If you ask me, I think the moderators should be the peacemaker instead of banning and forbidding topics. If there is a heated topic, A moderator should help people settle down. If two people are misunderstanding each other, a moderator should step in and settle the issue by help each other understand or lock the thread and punish those who keep breaking the rules of the board. Or lock the thread if neccessary (the topic will eventually come up again)

In fact, A moderator should look at both side, explain their fault (while being neutral with the issue) and lock the thread (the original post of this thread is what I mean by explaining and settling, because he is setting his foot down about the issue) .

If there is chaos on the board, I blame it on the management of this board, not the people who are on this board who are expressing their opinions.

souggy · 11-16-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lighthouse77

If you ask me, I think the moderators should be the peacemaker instead of banning and forbidding topics. If there is a heated topic, A moderator should help people settle down. If two people are misunderstanding each other, a moderator should step in and settle the issue by help each other understand or lock the thread and punish those who keep breaking the rules of the board. Or lock the thread if neccessary (the topic will eventually come up again)

In fact, A moderator should look at both side, explain their fault (while being neutral with the issue) and lock the thread (the original post of this thread is what I mean by explaining and settling, because he is setting his foot down about the issue) .

If there is chaos on the board, I blame it on the management of this board, not the people who are on this board who are expressing their opinions.

Some people actually do troll deliberately to start flame wars, and even if a mod does do peacekeeping, it doesn't always solve the problem because that person has a specific agenda, and it's pretty obvious if they are trolling if they painted a specific target by name on another forum or on their own blogs, which coincidently several members have, which is a big no-no on the Internet.

It's not really a matter of conservatives versus liberals; it's just people on the Internet are being pricks which is the reason why I step down from moderatorship on several forums because it's childish, petty and stupid for people to troll others and hide behind the guise of "but others bashed me first!"

shel90 · 11-16-2009, 09:34 PM

Really, I stopped sweating about it a long time ago. I just dont let it get to me like before. It will continue to happen but it is nice to have reminders though.

Eve · 11-16-2009, 09:36 PM

souggy, even if you think a person is "trolling" that doesn't give anyone license to resort to name-calling and personal attacks.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 12:08 PM

here's what I think the board should do. Make hot topics ten pages long then have it automatically lock (so no one get to the point to name calling)

And let people have a forum of their own and anyone who post on that forum can ask questions but they can't attack. Like christian forum, Jewish, etc. And we wouldn't have the need to express our faith to other deaf people on other areas.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Second suggestion won't work. Rarely one religious group agrees with another even within the same branch.

Kinda hard when one Church think they are the only true way out of all the denominations out there and go out of their way to prove that their view of the scriptures is the only right one, and bash others for it.

sallylou · 11-17-2009, 01:03 PM

I think that it's odd that people who start threads think that they "own" the thread. I've never be on any other forum where this happens. Usually, people start threads about something that interests them and let the conversation develop.

I don't think that I own threads I start. I just start a thread and see if anyone wants to post. I may or may not respond to other people. The thread just develops as it will.

I think that the concept of "ownership" of threads is problematic and encourages aggressive behavior. The "owner" of a thread often has a preconceived idea about what should be posted on his tread, and he tends to tell people that they are off base or off topic. This prevents the free flow of ideas and conversation.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

I think that it's odd that people who start threads think that they "own" the thread. I've never be on any other forum where this happens. Usually, people start threads about something that interests them and let the conversation develop.

I don't think that I own threads I start. I just start a thread and see if anyone wants to post. I may or may not respond to other people. The thread just develops as it will.

I think that the concept of "ownership" of threads is problematic and encourages aggressive behavior. The "owner" of a thread often has a preconceived idea about what should be posted on his tread, and he tends to tell people that they are off base or off topic. This prevents the free flow of ideas and conversation.

Corruption as result of being in the blogsphere too long?

sallylou · 11-17-2009, 01:35 PM

I don't know? I've noticed this several times from more than one member.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 03:42 PM

Yes, but blogging changed things now. People can choose to suppress certain viewpoints on their blogs if they don't like the comments. So I was wondering if the fact how owners have control over who can comment on their blogs, also has an effect on the sense of ownership over threads in a public forum.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 03:51 PM

I agree, people do have disagreement about religion, but hey we don't live a perfect world where everyone agree with everything.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 04:23 PM

Another reason for locking threads automatically is so it would force the people to think carefully what they want to post because they know the thread will only take a limit of posts and just going back and forth in a chatty or immature way would cause you to lose your spot to speak out your opinion.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lighthouse77

Another reason for locking threads automatically is so it would force the people to think carefully what they want to post because they know the thread will only take a limit of posts and just going back and forth in a chatty or immature way would cause you to lose your spot to speak out your opinion.

Or it could case people to deliberately be chatty to try and get the topic locked.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Or it could case people to deliberately be chatty to try and get the topic locked.

They already have caused the thread to be lock. But really, if a person a troll, then you should remove his posts.

people should not be going back and forth like a chatroom.

hmm, I wonder if there is board that allow chatroom under every thread so people can go back and forth. but that probably cause too much trouble.

Eve · 11-17-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lighthouse77

here's what I think the board should do. Make hot topics ten pages long then have it automatically lock (so no one get to the point to name calling)

Many people attack on page 1, and there might be more pertinent information to contribute to a discussion even past page 10, so that isn't really a viable option. Threads shouldn't be locked just because a few people aren't capable of behaving. That just ruins it for everyone else. People just need to learn to be more respectful of one another or leave.

Lissa · 11-17-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eve

Many people attack on page 1, and there might be more pertinent information to contribute to a discussion even past page 10, so that isn't really a viable option. Threads shouldn't be locked just because a few people aren't capable of behaving. That just ruins it for everyone else. People just need to learn to be more respectful of one another or leave.

But some people will NEVER learn and continue to spoil it for others....

they should be BANNED.....

shel90 · 11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Second suggestion won't work. Rarely one religious group agrees with another even within the same branch.

Kinda hard when one Church think they are the only true way out of all the denominations out there and go out of their way to prove that their view of the scriptures is the only right one, and bash others for it.

That's one of the reasons why I dont believe in organized religion. I do find it fascinating with the history and everything but practice it, nah.

However, I did enjoy reading the religion subforum but it caused too many problems.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

That's one of the reasons why I dont believe in organized religion. I do find it fascinating with the history and everything but practice it, nah.

However, I did enjoy reading the religion subforum but it caused too many problems.

Yeah... try and get a Catholic and a Baptist to agree on something.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 07:36 PM

Some people need organized religion and church. There was one person who didn't believe in churches so she tried to interpret the bible her way. In a result, because she didn't fellowship with other christians, she ended up dead because she took the healing interpretion way too far. Faith alone. If she have discussed her interpretion with others,more likely someone could have shown her errors and that the bible does not forbid doctors. That we need doctors, and pointed out the scriptures on it. People always seem take a danger path when they don't fellowship and study the bible with other people.

But I'll leave it to a christian board to handle christians. I still think politics is just as bad.

shel90 · 11-17-2009, 07:41 PM

Uh oh! Should we stop while we are ahead with the religion discussion or we will actually get this thread locked? *ducks*

souggy · 11-17-2009, 07:44 PM

I think we should cease talking about religions... considering... i am one of those self-taught folks... and is biting my tongue on that issue.

Anyway, the thing with politics is that it affects EVERYONE regardless of background. It's not like you can up and move to another country easily or turn a blind eye without political matters affecting you.

Eve · 11-17-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

I think we should cease talking about religions... considering... i am one of those self-taught folks... and is biting my tongue on that issue.

Anyway, the thing with politics is that it affects EVERYONE regardless of background. It's not like you can up and move to another country easily or turn a blind eye without political matters affecting you.

I can agree on that, EXCEPT when religion is something that is affecting EVERYONE (ie, ft hood shootings)

souggy · 11-17-2009, 07:50 PM

Zealots should just be written off as loonies, regardless of their convictions. Period. Why? Because they are violating the very basis of human rights in which almost everyone (in the world) agree on. So no need to bring religions in the topic of those types, because they know better.

Lighthouse77 · 11-17-2009, 07:54 PM

I didn't say everyone need it, just saying that some people need it. but it is better for people to go to a religion board to discuss religion anyway so never mind on that.

I don't mind discussing news, but for people to badmouth each other political party is really annoying.

souggy · 11-17-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lighthouse77

I didn't say everyone need it, just saying that some people need it. but it is better for people to go to a religion board to discuss religion anyway so never mind on that.

I don't mind discussing news, but for people to badmouth each other political party is really annoying.

Regarding the first one, I agree.

Regarding the second one, I am not sure how other forums are able to conduct it without mods being Nazis.

11-16-2009, 09:11 PM	#156 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	If you ask me, I think the moderators should be the peacemaker instead of banning and forbidding topics. If there is a heated topic, A moderator should help people settle down. If two people are misunderstanding each other, a moderator should step in and settle the issue by help each other understand or lock the thread and punish those who keep breaking the rules of the board. Or lock the thread if neccessary (the topic will eventually come up again) In fact, A moderator should look at both side, explain their fault (while being neutral with the issue) and lock the thread (the original post of this thread is what I mean by explaining and settling, because he is setting his foot down about the issue) . If there is chaos on the board, I blame it on the management of this board, not the people who are on this board who are expressing their opinions. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

11-16-2009, 09:34 PM	#158 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,991 Blog Entries: 3	Really, I stopped sweating about it a long time ago. I just dont let it get to me like before. It will continue to happen but it is nice to have reminders though. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

11-17-2009, 12:08 PM	#160 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	here's what I think the board should do. Make hot topics ten pages long then have it automatically lock (so no one get to the point to name calling) And let people have a forum of their own and anyone who post on that forum can ask questions but they can't attack. Like christian forum, Jewish, etc. And we wouldn't have the need to express our faith to other deaf people on other areas. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

11-17-2009, 12:16 PM	#161 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,349	Second suggestion won't work. Rarely one religious group agrees with another even within the same branch. Kinda hard when one Church think they are the only true way out of all the denominations out there and go out of their way to prove that their view of the scriptures is the only right one, and bash others for it. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

11-17-2009, 01:03 PM	#162 (permalink)
sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,061	I think that it's odd that people who start threads think that they "own" the thread. I've never be on any other forum where this happens. Usually, people start threads about something that interests them and let the conversation develop. I don't think that I own threads I start. I just start a thread and see if anyone wants to post. I may or may not respond to other people. The thread just develops as it will. I think that the concept of "ownership" of threads is problematic and encourages aggressive behavior. The "owner" of a thread often has a preconceived idea about what should be posted on his tread, and he tends to tell people that they are off base or off topic. This prevents the free flow of ideas and conversation. __________________ Happy holidays!

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11-15-2009, 05:21 PM	#153 (permalink)
Em903 Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 260 Blog Entries: 5	I think this needs a ... play nice boys and girls. Noticing it's been a lil heated recently again... If you want an argument, back it up with facts, or state it's your opinion and respect others' opinions. No need for name calling and cat/dog fights!

11-15-2009, 10:02 PM	#154 (permalink)
Eve Goddess Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,511	Ya know, until there are actual CONSEQUENCES for this sort of behavior, you can preach and preach on the subject till you are blue in the face and nothing will change. The culprits of such behavior are the same individuals who recognize this behavior in others, but never in themselves. The mods need to step up to the plate and start warning and banning the offending parties and stop overlooking the foul actions of those that make the rest of us uncomfortable with any form of debate on this forum.

11-15-2009, 10:10 PM	#155 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,648	It's really a lost cause, Eve. For some, it's just easier to attack individuals rather than the arguments. Yet claim they're for discussions when their actions tell otherwise.

11-16-2009, 09:36 PM	#159 (permalink)
Eve Goddess Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,511	souggy, even if you think a person is "trolling" that doesn't give anyone license to resort to name-calling and personal attacks.

11-17-2009, 01:35 PM	#164 (permalink)
sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,061	I don't know? I've noticed this several times from more than one member. __________________ Happy holidays!

11-17-2009, 03:42 PM	#165 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,349	Yes, but blogging changed things now. People can choose to suppress certain viewpoints on their blogs if they don't like the comments. So I was wondering if the fact how owners have control over who can comment on their blogs, also has an effect on the sense of ownership over threads in a public forum. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

11-17-2009, 03:51 PM	#166 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	I agree, people do have disagreement about religion, but hey we don't live a perfect world where everyone agree with everything. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

11-17-2009, 04:23 PM	#167 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	Another reason for locking threads automatically is so it would force the people to think carefully what they want to post because they know the thread will only take a limit of posts and just going back and forth in a chatty or immature way would cause you to lose your spot to speak out your opinion. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

11-17-2009, 07:36 PM	#174 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	Some people need organized religion and church. There was one person who didn't believe in churches so she tried to interpret the bible her way. In a result, because she didn't fellowship with other christians, she ended up dead because she took the healing interpretion way too far. Faith alone. If she have discussed her interpretion with others,more likely someone could have shown her errors and that the bible does not forbid doctors. That we need doctors, and pointed out the scriptures on it. People always seem take a danger path when they don't fellowship and study the bible with other people. But I'll leave it to a christian board to handle christians. I still think politics is just as bad. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

11-17-2009, 07:41 PM	#175 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,991 Blog Entries: 3	Uh oh! Should we stop while we are ahead with the religion discussion or we will actually get this thread locked? ducks __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

11-17-2009, 07:44 PM	#176 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,349	I think we should cease talking about religions... considering... i am one of those self-taught folks... and is biting my tongue on that issue. Anyway, the thing with politics is that it affects EVERYONE regardless of background. It's not like you can up and move to another country easily or turn a blind eye without political matters affecting you. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

11-17-2009, 07:50 PM	#178 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,349	Zealots should just be written off as loonies, regardless of their convictions. Period. Why? Because they are violating the very basis of human rights in which almost everyone (in the world) agree on. So no need to bring religions in the topic of those types, because they know better. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

11-17-2009, 07:54 PM	#179 (permalink)
Lighthouse77 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,304	I didn't say everyone need it, just saying that some people need it. but it is better for people to go to a religion board to discuss religion anyway so never mind on that. I don't mind discussing news, but for people to badmouth each other political party is really annoying. __________________ Good thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.

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