darkdog

Will do. Thanks!

__________________
Playing guitar is my 2nd amendment right.

Deafness

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com

jillio

You are quite welcome!

SerendipityG3A

I think I understand all the main positions here now. I think most of us agree with the concept. We just don't seem to agree on how to describe the concept.

jillio

There you go...saying the same thing in different ways. That is why asking for clarification, or engaging in an exchange of ideas is important. If we don't take the time to discuss things reasonable and rationally, everyone comes away misunderstanding.

Beowulf

I would hesitate before posting any photo slideshows, particularly the lengthy one. It would be quite a task making them accessible for the blind members here, but give me time.

jillio

But, the fact that you understand that it is unfair not to make them accessible is the key. You are aware, at the very least. Rather than appear to be rude by not captioning, you just don't post them. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Jolie77

Yes, If any rules were to be changed or modified; One of us moderators will let everyone know of the changes.

This is why I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention so that way we all can be able to sort this out and to clarify it. Often time, we get to see so many threads that ends up being argumentative just because things were taken out of context, misunderstandings occurs, or being combative with words, so and on. It becomes a sling-fest.

So, in order to make this able to work; we all need to at least try to ASK before saying such thing that would go out on a limb.

__________________


“Tough girls come from New York. Sweet girls, they're from Georgia. But us Kentucky girls, we have fire and ice in our blood. We can ride horses, be a debutante, throw left hooks, and drink with the boys, all the while making sweet tea, darlin'. And if we have an opinion, you know you're gonna hear it.” - Ashley Judd

jillio

I think that we are making excellent progress toward that goal in this thread.

Jolie77

Definitely, and, it shows that we all can come together to understand where both sides are coming from.

It is a start. I must add, It is something that was much needed to do so. Granted, at times we all get edgy or whatanot but at least, it is a progress towards that goal.

__________________


“Tough girls come from New York. Sweet girls, they're from Georgia. But us Kentucky girls, we have fire and ice in our blood. We can ride horses, be a debutante, throw left hooks, and drink with the boys, all the while making sweet tea, darlin'. And if we have an opinion, you know you're gonna hear it.” - Ashley Judd

Cowpuppy

Apparently though...you're in the habit of ending your post with some sarcastic references insulting one's intelligence. Still trying to play games. Either demand someone do your bidding and/or insult them.
As I said....philosophy is open to many interpretations......and I didn't need you to point that out. Nice try.
Same as many issues here are open to different interpretations. But some people only want thier interpretation permitted.
Noone owes you anything ...making demands doesn't change that.......doesn't prove someone as a liar because didn't respond to your demand.
You're playing ego smartass games and welcome to iggyland.

faire_jour

So, you admit that you give exactly those responses when asked to back up your statement. If you provided it once, no matter how long ago, or to whom, that is enough?

jillio

Again, faire jour,this is a prime example of the type of posts that keeps the argumentative stance going. And yes, I have responded in that way when you have demanded links, as a direct result of the manner in which you demanded it. There are numerous posters on this forum that will tell you that I am very generous in sharing research when they have requested it from me in a polite manner, and have genuinely shown an interest in learning more about the topic. Many times I have made the effort to access documents that I have access to that they would have had to pay for, downloaded those documents, and emailed them out to members of this forum that wanted to read and learn.

If you approached it in that spirit, rather than the confontational, challenging, and arrogant way in which you generally approach posters on this board, you could have been among those receiving research documents from me for over 2 years now.

And yes, if I have provided a complete citation that allows you to locate the research, and you have failed to do so, then it is certainly not my responsibility to provide it a second time. Had you been truly intererested, you would have made the effort to access it the first time around.

SerendipityG3A

Jimmy: Hello!
Lily: Hi, nice to meet you!
Jimmy: My pleasure! My name is Jimmy. What's yours?
Lily: Somebody asked me that before, so if you weren't there, you were obviously not interested, so really there's no point in telling you.
Jimmy:
Lily:

jillio

Fallicious comparison.

SerendipityG3A

I got tired of restating questions.

SerendipityG3A

Okay, where's the fallacy?

jillio

Firstly, you are comparing a conversation to something in print that has a trail that can be easily recalled. Secondly, you are comparing a piece of information that is quite easily replicated to one that is not. Thirdly, you are comparing a social interaction to one that is not social in nature. Fourthly, you are comparing an individual who has requested that a single word be repeated to someone who demands that detailed information be provided again and again, despite the fact that it can easily be located with minimal effort on the part of the individual making the demand. Fifthly, you are comparing a polite request to an often insulting and agressive demand.

jillio

Perhaps it wasn't a matter of restating.

SerendipityG3A

It seems restating may be the only way to get a straight answer, but the odds of getting nothing but emotionally charged language makes it a waste of my time.

jillio

Is it a matter of getting a straight answer, or getting the answer you want? People often restate in an attempt to manipulate the answer they want because they don't like the answer they got. It is a mistake to assume that you got a specific answer because someone did not understand the way you stated the question. Sometimes, that is the appropriate answer, and the one you will get no matter how many ways you phrase the question. In that case, it is best to accept the answer, even though it may not be the one you wanted. There is an old saying: "If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question."

SerendipityG3A

1. This forum has so many posts on it that you cannot possibly expect any one person to have read them all.

2. I was not comparing anything to information that would be difficult to replicate.

3. I was comparing a social interaction to another social interaction. (Note: both instances of social interaction are defined in exactly the same way.)

4. The complexity of the information requested is unknown. It could easily be as simple as a name. If it is too complex, just say so.

5. I'm not considering rude requests.

jillio

It isn't necessary to read all the posts. The forum also has a user friendly search feature.

No, a social interaction whereby one is simply intoducing oneself is very different from an in depth conversation requiring technical information. If one is asking for a citation, then the complexity of the information is a given. In most instances, especially those that are being referenced on this forum, providing a name only results in further demands for detailed information.
The fact that you haven't considered rude requests is what makes your comparison fallicious. None of us here have a problem responding to polite requests.

SerendipityG3A

Did you answer the bold part of the question? Nowhere does it say "if it's requested in a rude tone" or "if the citation is excessively complex" or any of that. Did you answer that part of the question without those "hidden" conditions?

jillio

Yes I answered the bolded part of the question. Perhaps you should stick around a while and see how some of these situations play out. There is actually quite a lengthy history behind this issue. It is not a new occurrance.

deafskeptic

A certain advocate or should I say pusher of cued speech is a good example of what jillio is talking about. I can think of other posters as well but I don't want to start flame wars.

__________________
Left ear implanted with Med-El on April 24 2007.
Activated on May 9th.

SerendipityG3A

I hadn't read your most recent post yet when I wrote this, so this is obsolete.

The fact that you weren't considering polite requests was unstated, and therefore I missed it. I have no further concerns with impolite demands.

SerendipityG3A

Don't worry about it. It was a misunderstanding. I don't need any fingers pointed.

SerendipityG3A

To me, rude demands don't deserve my consideration. That's why I didn't automatically assume you were considering rude demands. With this new information, my little sample conversation was completely irrelevant. Just disregard it or take it as humour.

jillio

Good. We are on the same page.

SerendipityG3A

Yeah, sorry about that, hope I wasn't too out of hand.