Is Club Freedom a scam? - Page 3

diehardbiker · 03-31-2007, 01:11 PM

Its all mathematic, In pyrimid scheme, its always going in "Squares" in mathematic term If you do a calculator and see for yourself, you might understand why in the beginning it is easier to make money than in the end. at top of the pyrimid, you need 2-square if you do calculator, enter 2 then x-2 and you will get 4, then the next level of pyrimid, you would have 4, then on calculator, hit 4 then x-2 and you will get 16, then the next level, you would need to put 16 then x-2 you will get 256, , the next level, you would need to enter on your calculator 256 then x-2 you will get 65536 See how it expands to 65,536, and if you need to go next level, how many people do you think needed to get it complete? If you do that on calculator 65,536 and x-2 and do you think we can come up with this number of people to join and make money????

Mathematics do NOT lie! and the square power is generally overlooked except if your damn good with mathematic.

***VamPyroX*** · 03-31-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Its all mathematic, In pyrimid scheme, its always going in "Squares" in mathematic term If you do a calculator and see for yourself, you might understand why in the beginning it is easier to make money than in the end. at top of the pyrimid, you need 2-square if you do calculator, enter 2 then x-2 and you will get 4, then the next level of pyrimid, you would have 4, then on calculator, hit 4 then x-2 and you will get 16, then the next level, you would need to put 16 then x-2 you will get 256, , the next level, you would need to enter on your calculator 256 then x-2 you will get 65536 See how it expands to 65,536, and if you need to go next level, how many people do you think needed to get it complete? If you do that on calculator 65,536 and x-2 and do you think we can come up with this number of people to join and make money????

Mathematics do NOT lie! and the square power is generally overlooked except if your damn good with mathematic.

Yep, you're right.

The other thing is that a lot of pyramid schemes require others to keep going in order for you to reap in benefits.

For instance, you need 7 people under you and each of those 7 people need 7 people under them, and each of those 7 people need 7 more... in order for you to get your benefits. However, if at least one person leaves... you have to find more to replace them and the process starts all over again.

One good example is Quixtar.

sillycat · 03-31-2007, 09:14 PM

I didn't join CF even though I got email from a friend. I looked it over and felt it was more likely to be a scam because there is no way your $200 will multiply into $6000 that easy. It sounds too good to me.

Ive seen similiar MLM and pyramid schemes like this more than a decade ago in the deaf community and it ruined alot of friendships because of greed. Also many deafies are on SSI or have low paying jobs so they cannot afford the fees to join the pyramid schemes so later on, there are not enough people at the bottom to send the fees/$$ up to those on the top. Its best to research before spending your precious money.

diehardbiker · 03-31-2007, 09:17 PM

Its true that it can multiply to 5000 dollars from just 200, Actually multiply is not right mathematic method, you need to do what is called square, if you look in calculator there is one button show x-2 that is where you need to use it, and in formal word it is called exponent, same meaning for "square".

But because pyramid depends on exponent powers, it gets harder to reach the the next level once the number gets bigger. That is why its scam in general.

here is the termology in mathematic to better understand

Add - You all know what it is, and in other word "Sum"

Subtract, of course you know what it is, and in other word "difference"

Divide, It is to split a unit into even amount of unit

Multiply, that is you would make it several times bigger, in other word it is "Times"

Exponent, that is another word for "Square If you see say 10^2 that means 10 times 10 equals 100, note the difference between 10 x 2 = 20 and 10^2 =100, if you simply change from 10 to 20, 20^2 equals 400! See how the numbers grow faster with exponent? So, the requirement for members grow much faster as the next level happens, making it harder to find people who would join to get the next level!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillycat

I didn't join CF even though I got email from a friend. I looked it over and felt it was more likely to be a scam because there is no way your $200 will multiply into $6000 that easy. It sounds too good to me.

Ive seen similiar MLM and pyramid schemes like this more than a decade ago in the deaf community and it ruined alot of friendships because of greed. Also many deafies are on SSI or have low paying jobs so they cannot afford the fees to join the pyramid schemes so later on, there are not enough people at the bottom to send the fees/$$ up to those on the top. Its best to research before spending your precious money.

IcedTeaRulz · 04-01-2007, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleCherokee63

Sure, I show you here, I not want show to everyone my husband and I are picture here. I take picture my sk2 in VP here. I got 3 deaf friends got six thousand.

Where is the proof of CF check? They voted yes mostly that CF is a scam! Wait until their bank demands them to pay back cuz of fake check.

rockdrummer · 04-01-2007, 09:58 AM

Well it's not just my opinion but its a fact that Club Freedom IS A SCAM. It's known as a pyramid scheme. It's a scam and you will just be giving your hard earned dollars to someone else and you will also potentially be arrested if you participate in this illegal scam. Below are some links to interesting facts about Club Freedom. Always remember that if something sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Pyramid scams have been around forever. Don't get sucked into it. Read the last link about the numbers.

Law enforcers shut down State College scam

Mishka Zena » Blog Archive » CDT A Pryamid?

Matrix Watch - View Single Post - Club Freedom

Kalista · 04-01-2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes it is a scam. Deaf people are better off holding real jobs like the rest of real people do.

Yeah, I certaintly agree with you.

SherryCherish · 04-01-2007, 01:00 PM

u know what, whenever u something join to win money, which is "always" hard to get. If things are easy to get money, which is scam.

DeafSCUBA98 · 04-01-2007, 02:19 PM

a cash.. what if they withdraw all that cash from a bank.

there's so many fools around there. and companies are changing their rules in order to keep it legal.

there's a few non-scams around.. for example SMC corp.. the reason they say you will earn "millions" is not a fact but a fact is you will if you work so hard to earn that money like owning 50 stores or so. you just have to work hard to sell their products.

SxyPorkie · 04-01-2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleCherokee63

Sure, I show you here, I not want show to everyone my husband and I are picture here. I take picture my sk2 in VP here. I got 3 deaf friends got six thousand.

showing the cash.. is not a proof.. where is a check before getting it cashed????? that person could have of getting money out of her or his savings and showed money... IT IS BALONEY!!!!

Freaky Cat · 04-01-2007, 02:28 PM

i knew it is a scam.. my best friend want me to join CF and i told her I think not cuz it sound too good to be true so not interested to join.. jeez.. good thing i am not that dumb to do that.. whew!

SxyPorkie · 04-01-2007, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcedTeaRulz

Wow, bravo! U were so strong to tell him, LOL!

Thanks... everyone in here California know me too well.. I am too bold... would tell troublemakers or liars off....I work with Domestic Violence part time... I have to be very strong...

IcedTeaRulz · 04-01-2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

showing the cash.. is not a proof.. where is a check before getting it cashed????? that person could have of getting money out of her or his savings and showed money... IT IS BALONEY!!!!

That's what I think in the back of my mind.

IcedTeaRulz · 04-01-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Thanks... everyone in here California know me too well.. I am too bold... would tell troublemakers or liars off....I work with Domestic Violence part time... I have to be very strong...

Oh! No wonder, smile!

sweet4u618 · 04-01-2007, 11:22 PM

Club Freedom is probably scam about family nudist camp like someone said. CF is not Club Freedom. CF is no space between two words (Club Freedom -- together). so CF is not scam. It is a real job business than family nudist camp. Tennessee man who worked for CF is doing wrong to bother calling people. He was supposed to talk with friends or just advertise online and let people want to sign up their own choices. CF is good business but RT is revolving travel that is just different ways with trusted friends paying 65 dollars as a team or something. I do not know about RT yet and I know just about CF. All CF does is have trusted friends or ask other friends who want to sign up CF. All cycles of CF is to have people sign up under your id and people above sometimes send messages and help. There is DEAF INFO program on that CF website. If you want to know more info about CF. There is more info in other hearing and deaf website even with video lecture. So don't get confused between many different company that look the same words but different space and dash and hypen. ( - ) It is nontax job business from other country and money only through the card once u get it in mail. Good Luck. Either way Scam or Not. I will see that scam or not also.

rockdrummer · 04-02-2007, 10:35 AM

If CF is for Club Freedom and it's the one that earns travel stuff and alleges you will recieve 6 thousand dollars... IT IS A SCAM. PERIOD. Look at the links I provided above where people are getting arrested for participating in the SCAM. Club Freedom is a SCAM

sequoias · 04-02-2007, 12:10 PM

Will that make me believe it? *chuckles* NO! They're running a meeting on it.
The same guy who "scammed" me about the stock options to get a house long time ago, still is there doing the other "scams" like CDT. I don't trust that guy anymore.

Why is he there doing that while he has a REAL job under federal government? I suggest all deafies stop fooling around with it and get a REAL job, run your own real business or stick with SSDI if your doctor order you can't work due to health cocerns, period!

I have removed their home address, names of the people who are running those ******* due to privacy "laws" for Alldeaf.

__________________________________________________ _______________________

Hi Everyone!!!!!!

Welcome to the beautiful Spring 2007 !!!!!!!!! It's time to smell the roses and flowers

Today, ........... is working with me on making an announcement and here it is, FYI

When: April 15, 2007

Time: 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM timeframe as usual (please WEAR Shirt in BLACK)!

What: CDT/CF/RT/GT purpose of meeting to help gather people together working as a teamwork educating on how to construct a successful business. Also, We provide support groups, mentors, sources, resources as well.

Food Providing: ............... will be providing her special treatment of food (suprises) You are more than WELCOME to bring your favorite any kind of dish, casserole, dessert, beverage of your choice.

For those of you WHOM happen to have DIABETES! Please inform .............. accordingly so she could easily accommodate to your special diet need(s). Ok?

For those of you who have some "doubts and non-believers" toward the possibility of having an actual diamond and money itself from CDT. Finally, there will be a show and tell tale story . (yeah, right.....)

PePe LePew · 04-02-2007, 12:20 PM

[b][color="Navy"]If you are interesting and wants to know more informations

[b]
Also if you feels this is a scams, why not asks questions!
clicks here:
http://www.***********s.com/toughquestions.htm<--Not working oh well!

By the way Club Freedom will be in ASL expo April 7th in Indianapolis, Indiana

Welcome to ASL EXPO 2007 - connecting the sign language community!

Show Information

Date
April 7, 2007

Time
9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.

Location
Indiana Convention Center
Exhibit Hall G
100 South Capitol Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46225

Booth
Reserve today

Admission
Register Online
Adult: FREE
Child (age 5 and over): FREE
Sign up now

At door without a FREE ticket
Adult: $10.00
Child (age 5 to 12): $5.00

sequoias · 04-02-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PePe LePew

[b][color="Navy"]If you are interesting and wants to know more informations

Also if you feels this is a scams, why not asks questions!
clicks here:

http://www.***********s.com/toughquestions.htm

By the way Club Freedom will be in ASL expo April 7th in Indianapolis, Indiana

Welcome to ASL EXPO 2007 - connecting the sign language community!

Show Information

Date
April 7, 2007

Time
9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m.

Location
Indiana Convention Center
Exhibit Hall G
100 South Capitol Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46225

Booth
Reserve today

Admission
Register Online
Adult: FREE
Child (age 5 and over): FREE
Sign up now

At door without a FREE ticket
Adult: $10.00
Child (age 5 to 12): $5.00

WOW?! SCAM is going to a expo......HOW lame.

PePe LePew · 04-02-2007, 12:31 PM

Go to ASL expo and find out more about Club Freedom!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sequoias

WOW?! SCAM is going to a expo......HOW lame.

nozobo · 04-02-2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sequoias

WOW?! SCAM is going to a expo......HOW lame.

They must be that DESPERATE!

rockdrummer · 04-02-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PePe LePew

Go to ASL expo and find out more about Club Freedom!!!

Yes go there and find out for yourself that ITS A SCAM

IcedTeaRulz · 04-02-2007, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

my roommate join CF and right now, thus far as i know it's not a scam and also, it is not a pyramid. And CF has been approved by BBB.

I don't see "BBB" on Club Freedom website.

IcedTeaRulz · 04-02-2007, 01:56 PM

I received a message in "myspace" inbox. This person is coda (children of deaf adults). This person wrote:

"Yes, it is a scam. A lot of Deaf people are being sucked into it right now. They will tell you anything to get your money. The only way to MAKE more money is to ask other people to join. Then you get a part of their money. It's called a pyramid scheme/scam. Beware!"

LovelyBlkGal · 04-02-2007, 02:09 PM

Yes it's scam this one ... i get email from my friend about this one i was like it's SCAM i don't intz join cuz RIP OFF $$!

***VamPyroX*** · 04-02-2007, 02:35 PM

According to Club Freedom sources, you have to get people to join under you in order for you to get money. This process is the same for Quixtar and CDT.

For instance, Club Freedom has 4 positions... Traveler (1), Stand-By (2), Planner (4), and Reservation (8). When you sign up, you are given the rank of "Reservation". When you get 2 people to join under you, and each of those 2 people get 2 more people to join under them, and each of those 4 people get 2 more people to join under them, that totals to at least 14 people under you. Once that happens, you get paid $6,000. So, by joining and paying $200... someone else gets $6,000 because of that.

Code:

Traveler
Stand-By
Planner
Reservation

              T
              |
      +-------+-------+
      |               |
      S               S
      |               |
  +---+---+       +---+---+
  |       |       |       |
  P       P       P       P
  |       |       |       |
+-+-+   +-+-+   +-+-+   +-+-+
|   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
R   R   R   R   R   R   R   R

Also, another thing you have to do is spend $6,000 on Club Freedom vacations or they will bill you for it if you don't. That's how they make money.

View Poll Results: Is Club Freedom a scam?
Yes	41	62.12%
No	12	18.18%
I don't know	13	19.70%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

03-31-2007, 09:14 PM	#63 (permalink)
sillycat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kitty travel carrier Posts: 910	I didn't join CF even though I got email from a friend. I looked it over and felt it was more likely to be a scam because there is no way your $200 will multiply into $6000 that easy. It sounds too good to me. Ive seen similiar MLM and pyramid schemes like this more than a decade ago in the deaf community and it ruined alot of friendships because of greed. Also many deafies are on SSI or have low paying jobs so they cannot afford the fees to join the pyramid schemes so later on, there are not enough people at the bottom to send the fees/$$ up to those on the top. Its best to research before spending your precious money. __________________ Where's my kitty litter??

04-01-2007, 01:00 PM	#68 (permalink)
SherryCherish "Can't Hear but Can See" Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: somewhere in USA Posts: 4,549	u know what, whenever u something join to win money, which is "always" hard to get. If things are easy to get money, which is scam. __________________ Have a great 2007 year!

04-01-2007, 02:19 PM	#69 (permalink)
DeafSCUBA98 my cute fish of the year! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: land of 10,000 lakes and living by one of them Posts: 4,627	a cash.. what if they withdraw all that cash from a bank. there's so many fools around there. and companies are changing their rules in order to keep it legal. there's a few non-scams around.. for example SMC corp.. the reason they say you will earn "millions" is not a fact but a fact is you will if you work so hard to earn that money like owning 50 stores or so. you just have to work hard to sell their products. __________________ Nucleus Freedom 04/18/05 activiated 05/16/05

04-01-2007, 02:28 PM	#71 (permalink)
Freaky Cat My cat Oreo :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ArKaNsAs Posts: 10,177	i knew it is a scam.. my best friend want me to join CF and i told her I think not cuz it sound too good to be true so not interested to join.. jeez.. good thing i am not that dumb to do that.. whew! __________________ When you miss me just look up to the night sky and remember, I'm like a star; sometimes you can't see me, but I'm always there! Freaky Cat's Blog

03-31-2007, 01:11 PM	#61 (permalink)
diehardbiker Busy in poker room Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,029	Its all mathematic, In pyrimid scheme, its always going in "Squares" in mathematic term If you do a calculator and see for yourself, you might understand why in the beginning it is easier to make money than in the end. at top of the pyrimid, you need 2-square if you do calculator, enter 2 then x-2 and you will get 4, then the next level of pyrimid, you would have 4, then on calculator, hit 4 then x-2 and you will get 16, then the next level, you would need to put 16 then x-2 you will get 256, , the next level, you would need to enter on your calculator 256 then x-2 you will get 65536 See how it expands to 65,536, and if you need to go next level, how many people do you think needed to get it complete? If you do that on calculator 65,536 and x-2 and do you think we can come up with this number of people to join and make money???? Mathematics do NOT lie! and the square power is generally overlooked except if your damn good with mathematic.

Today
Deafness	Sponsored Links __________________ This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members. Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com

04-01-2007, 09:58 AM	#66 (permalink)
rockdrummer Always 1 beat off Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago area Posts: 3,008	Well it's not just my opinion but its a fact that Club Freedom IS A SCAM. It's known as a pyramid scheme. It's a scam and you will just be giving your hard earned dollars to someone else and you will also potentially be arrested if you participate in this illegal scam. Below are some links to interesting facts about Club Freedom. Always remember that if something sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Pyramid scams have been around forever. Don't get sucked into it. Read the last link about the numbers. Law enforcers shut down State College scam Mishka Zena » Blog Archive » CDT A Pryamid? Matrix Watch - View Single Post - Club Freedom

04-01-2007, 11:22 PM	#75 (permalink)
sweet4u618 sweet4u618 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Illinois, USA Posts: 146	Hi Club Freedom is probably scam about family nudist camp like someone said. CF is not Club Freedom. CF is no space between two words (Club Freedom -- together). so CF is not scam. It is a real job business than family nudist camp. Tennessee man who worked for CF is doing wrong to bother calling people. He was supposed to talk with friends or just advertise online and let people want to sign up their own choices. CF is good business but RT is revolving travel that is just different ways with trusted friends paying 65 dollars as a team or something. I do not know about RT yet and I know just about CF. All CF does is have trusted friends or ask other friends who want to sign up CF. All cycles of CF is to have people sign up under your id and people above sometimes send messages and help. There is DEAF INFO program on that CF website. If you want to know more info about CF. There is more info in other hearing and deaf website even with video lecture. So don't get confused between many different company that look the same words but different space and dash and hypen. ( - ) It is nontax job business from other country and money only through the card once u get it in mail. Good Luck. Either way Scam or Not. I will see that scam or not also.

04-02-2007, 10:35 AM	#76 (permalink)
rockdrummer Always 1 beat off Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago area Posts: 3,008	If CF is for Club Freedom and it's the one that earns travel stuff and alleges you will recieve 6 thousand dollars... IT IS A SCAM. PERIOD. Look at the links I provided above where people are getting arrested for participating in the SCAM. Club Freedom is a SCAM

04-02-2007, 12:10 PM	#77 (permalink)
sequoias Railfan 4 life! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Evergreen State Posts: 11,802	Will that make me believe it? chuckles NO! They're running a meeting on it. The same guy who "scammed" me about the stock options to get a house long time ago, still is there doing the other "scams" like CDT. I don't trust that guy anymore. Why is he there doing that while he has a REAL job under federal government? I suggest all deafies stop fooling around with it and get a REAL job, run your own real business or stick with SSDI if your doctor order you can't work due to health cocerns, period! I have removed their home address, names of the people who are running those ***** due to privacy "laws" for Alldeaf. __________________________________________________ _______________________ Hi Everyone!!!!!! Welcome to the beautiful Spring 2007 !!!!!!!!! It's time to smell the roses and flowers Today, ........... is working with me on making an announcement and here it is, FYI When: April 15, 2007 Time: 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM timeframe as usual (please WEAR Shirt in BLACK)! What: CDT/CF/RT/GT purpose of meeting to help gather people together working as a teamwork educating on how to construct a successful business. Also, We provide support groups, mentors, sources, resources as well. Food Providing: ............... will be providing her special treatment of food (suprises) You are more than WELCOME to bring your favorite any kind of dish, casserole, dessert, beverage of your choice. For those of you WHOM happen to have DIABETES! Please inform .............. accordingly so she could easily accommodate to your special diet need(s). Ok? For those of you who have some "doubts and non-believers" toward the possibility of having an actual diamond and money itself from CDT. Finally, there will be a show and tell tale story . (yeah, right.....)**

04-02-2007, 12:20 PM	#78 (permalink)
PePe LePew PePe LePew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Paradise Posts: 591	Informations on Club Freedom [b][color="Navy"]If you are interesting and wants to know more informations [b] Also if you feels this is a scams, why not asks questions! clicks here: http://www.*********s.com/toughquestions.htm<--Not working oh well! By the way Club Freedom will be in ASL expo April 7th in Indianapolis, Indiana** Welcome to ASL EXPO 2007 - connecting the sign language community! Show Information Date April 7, 2007 Time 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Location Indiana Convention Center Exhibit Hall G 100 South Capitol Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46225 Booth Reserve today Admission Register Online Adult: FREE Child (age 5 and over): FREE Sign up now At door without a FREE ticket Adult: $10.00 Child (age 5 to 12): $5.00

04-02-2007, 01:56 PM	#84 (permalink)
IcedTeaRulz ♥ R.I.P. Mom 6/11/08 ♥ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: ...Not sure where I am... Posts: 1,808	I received a message in "myspace" inbox. This person is coda (children of deaf adults). This person wrote: "Yes, it is a scam. A lot of Deaf people are being sucked into it right now. They will tell you anything to get your money. The only way to MAKE more money is to ask other people to join. Then you get a part of their money. It's called a pyramid scheme/scam. Beware!"

04-02-2007, 02:09 PM	#85 (permalink)
LovelyBlkGal Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere in OHIO Posts: 3,954	Yes it's scam this one ... i get email from my friend about this one i was like it's SCAM i don't intz join cuz RIP OFF $$!

04-02-2007, 02:35 PM	#86 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 27,041	According to Club Freedom sources, you have to get people to join under you in order for you to get money. This process is the same for Quixtar and CDT. For instance, Club Freedom has 4 positions... Traveler (1), Stand-By (2), Planner (4), and Reservation (8). When you sign up, you are given the rank of "Reservation". When you get 2 people to join under you, and each of those 2 people get 2 more people to join under them, and each of those 4 people get 2 more people to join under them, that totals to at least 14 people under you. Once that happens, you get paid $6,000. So, by joining and paying $200... someone else gets $6,000 because of that. Code: Traveler Stand-By Planner Reservation T \| +-------+-------+ \| \| S S \| \| +---+---+ +---+---+ \| \| \| \| P P P P \| \| \| \| +-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+ \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| R R R R R R R R Also, another thing you have to do is spend $6,000 on Club Freedom vacations or they will bill you for it if you don't. That's how they make money. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)