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Unread 10-02-2006, 06:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Strongest OTC Sleeping Pill ?

I am wondering what is the strongest OTC sleeping pill ? The only one I know of and use is Tylenol PM and I am looking for something that will be even more stronger for sleeping pills please ?

What is the top sleeping pill ?

Tylenol PM isn't just going to do it anymore .....
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Unread 10-02-2006, 06:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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percogesic is another one .. it work for me.. but one thing.. be warned.. u can be groggy into next day.. almost like bendaryl.. ok..
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OTC sleeping pills don't do shit for me. I have to take something strong like Halcion, but it's a prescription that I get from my doc.
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Unread 10-02-2006, 07:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Okay, Thank You Ladies !!!!!
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Beware of over doing OCD purchases. Actually Tylenol PM and similiar products can do you a great deal of harm. Better to drink warm milk or something more in click with nature. Have you tried excercise? I mean, you cannot sit around all day and expect to be tired enough to fall asleep. Try walking a couple of miles each day in the fresh air, you will be able to sleep just fine.
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Unread 10-02-2006, 09:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Beware of over doing OCD purchases. Actually Tylenol PM and similiar products can do you a great deal of harm. Better to drink warm milk or something more in click with nature. Have you tried excercise? I mean, you cannot sit around all day and expect to be tired enough to fall asleep. Try walking a couple of miles each day in the fresh air, you will be able to sleep just fine.
I agree. It's better to use natural methods.

Heath, you need to figure out why you can't sleep, and do something about the cause. If it's a medical problem, go to a doctor. If it's stress, use exercise (not too late in the evening), warm baths, and deep breathing. Don't watch stimulating TV programs before bedtime. Don't eat heavy foods late at night. Don't oversleep in the morning.

You are too young to have sleep problems.

When I do a full afternoon of heavy yard work I never have trouble going to sleep that night.
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Unread 10-02-2006, 09:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, personal experience has shown that a pint of Jack Daniels will work bloody wonders for insomnia. Auto starter fluid works pretty good too. All kidding aside, I like phenibut myself. Itís the only thing you can buy OTC that really works. Tolerance builds up pretty fast, so itís only useful for short-term use. But it really will put you right to sleep and keep you asleep. Basically, itís an OTC form of Valium. Itís effects are said to be similar to GHB, the now-banned supplement that was all the rage in the early 80ís.
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There is nothing wrong with my body. I suffer from PTSD and I don't want to be drinking alots which is no good for work the next day or smoking marijuana which is illegal anyways and I try not to take Tylenol PM that too much because of the liver. Tylenol can really damage the liver if use everyday so I use it maybe 2 x a week sometimes 3 x but then the next day I am groggy myself so I gotta figure something out and no matter how much excersice I get I still will stay awake because I really don't like to sleep. Some things are best not remembered so anything to help with sleep would be really great. I am already looking at 100 % natural methods and I also excersice, drink water and do all the right things too.
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I am wondering what is the strongest OTC sleeping pill ? The only one I know of and use is Tylenol PM and I am looking for something that will be even more stronger for sleeping pills please ?

What is the top sleeping pill ?

Tylenol PM isn't just going to do it anymore .....
Sleep pills aren't good but you need Rx for sleeping and check doctor in your area.

You will extremely looping when you take strong sleep pills.
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Well, phenibut was actually developed by Russian chemists specifically for the treatment of PTSD. You might wanna give it a try. I'd recommend you get the bulk powder (lot less expensive) and try half a teaspoon about 4 hours before bedtime. Get a small bottle first, so that if it doesn't work for you it won't be too much money wasted.
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I use melatonin.
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The doctor tried to give me Zolfot , Paxil but I said no because I did not want the side effects.
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The doctor tried to give me Zolfot , Paxil but I said no because I did not want the side effects.
Paxil isn't bad...
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Well, phenibut was actually developed by Russian chemists specifically for the treatment of PTSD. You might wanna give it a try. I'd recommend you get the bulk powder (lot less expensive) and try half a teaspoon about 4 hours before bedtime. Get a small bottle first, so that if it doesn't work for you it won't be too much money wasted.
Can you show me a link to that one please ? Levonian ?
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The doctor tried to give me Zolfot , Paxil but I said no because I did not want the side effects.
Zoloft and Paxil arent sleep aids..... they're anti-depressants, and wont help with sleep. If you're getting prescribed those, the doctor or therapist will usually also prescribe a secondary medication to combat anxiety or as a sleep aid.... probly something like Klonopin or Diazepan or something, which are sedatives (but also risk addiction so recommend to be careful how much you use them).
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Bad thing about sleep medicine. your body becomes dependant on them & get used to them & end up have to take a stronger dose for them to work.
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There is nothing wrong with my body. I suffer from PTSD ... Some things are best not remembered so anything to help with sleep would be really great....
Using a chemical, legal or illegal, prescribed or OTC, to solve a emotional problem won't work. It just covers up the problem, which will pop up in other ways. You really need to get counselling and learn positive ways to overcome the troubling memories. You need a long-term permanent solution.

Medication might work for the short term but it's not a permanent solution. Sooner or later, you will have to confront the problem and overcome it. Not easy but more permanently satisfying.
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Heath,

Try Levonian's suggestion. Barring that, I don't know of any thing that might work, unless you go the prescription route.

I also suffer from PTSD with wicked sleep issues. Unlike you, I had to resort to prescription medications to deal with this.

I'm currently taking phenergan for sleeping. It's a prescription antihistamine. It's prescribed for people who suffer allergies. It's also commonly prescribed for post surgical nausea, and to combat post chemo nausea. It WILL knock you on your backside! That's what I like about it!

I absolutely refused to take anything that was addictive, so that's why I'm on this. The common treatment for insomnia is the benzodiazipine tranquilizers (xanax, valium, ect), and I won't go there!

Incidently,

Tyenol PM, Advil PM, and Sominex are common OTC sleep aids. They all contain benadryl, which I've tried. Worked for a time, but didn't work long term.

I've also tried Kava Kava, which worked real well, but again, wasn't a long term solution. Kava is considered the "natural" xanax.

Whatever method you choose, I wish you luck. PTSD really bites, man! I've been there, and I'm currently still there.
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Why don't u go to health store and talk to some person there about which vitamins will help u to sleep. I remember Biotin suppose to help to sleep. But I do not need it.
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possibly i will try kava kava if it will work on me. good thing that is natural..
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possibly i will try kava kava if it will work on me. good thing that is natural..
Er, be careful. I heard that Kava can have liver side effects. Just because it's supposed to be natural, that doesn't mean it's safe to use.
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Er, be careful. I heard that Kava can have liver side effects. Just because it's supposed to be natural, that doesn't mean it's safe to use.
ohhh glad you let me know thanks
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Hi Heath,

I would advise you to take Lanataīs and Rebaīs suggestion.
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Not necessarily, Liebling.

For some people, these drugs are actually life saving.

I, for one, would not be able to function without antidepressants.

It's up to Heath to decide what is best for him, but some of these remedies being discussed just don't help well enough to provide decent, long term relief.

Warm milk is good for the occasion sleepless night, but if you have a diagnosed illness like PTSD, it's more likely that you'll need prescription meds to treat it.
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ohhh glad you let me know thanks
I admit that I'm not a fan of alternative medicine, and to be fair, prescription meds also carry the same side effects.

Here's the difference, the Food and Drug Administration regulates prescription medications; whereas they don't regulate substances like Kava Kava. Reason being, natural remedies are considered supplements, and therefore, aren't under the auspices of the FDA.

Personally, I've grown up in the medical world, so I'm more inclined to go with what I know and trust. I trust medicine. Others may not.
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Can you show me a link to that one please ? Levonian ?
Just Google itóitís available from a lot of Internet suppliers. I buy the bulk powder, because itís a LOT less expensive. The best sources Iíve been able to find so far are Discount Anabolics and Bulk Nutrition. Both are excellent companies to do business with.

Donít take too much of this stuff, though. Phenibut crosses the blood-brain barrier and acts directly on the same neural receptors that the benzodiazepines do, so it can be addictive. The general consensus is that someday it will be made a controlled substance, just as GHB was made a controlled substance a few years ago. If I stop taking it, I get a nasty rebound anxiety attack, so Iím tapering off slowly. Fortunately, my addiction only costs about $.60/day. I think the ideal way to use it is to take no more than Ĺ a teaspoon, once a day, at night.
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Bad thing about sleep medicine. your body becomes dependant on them & get used to them & end up have to take a stronger dose for them to work.
That's why I use melatonin - because its a natural drug your body produces.
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Drink warm milk before bedtime.

Take a warm bath before bedtime.

Do not drink alcohol or sodas after 6pm-- it will encourage you to wake up frequently overnight.

Do not work out several hours before bedtime.

Don't watch TV while you are in bed. Try to lay in your bed in dark-- boredom will make you sleepy.

Try to get up next day EARLIER than your usual so you can go to bed easier that night and it might break your habit.

If all of above don't work for you within 3 days or more--
then I will say if you need a strong pill to knock you out-- Benardly (it is for allergies, but it is SURE drowsy.)
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Heath, I will assume you are seeing a therapest and you don't want another perscription or thay are to expensive for me melatonin helped me but only for a few months you can take about 10mg a day ( a night ) for a few months start with 3 it will corect a minor imbalence for a wile but it's a tollernce thing also once your body has enof of it it will dump the rest kinda like vit c. OTC's are ushaly not very good and shuld only be used once or twice a week AT MOST. if you are haveing consitant problems you may have to get a persciption ask your doctor for samples.
cammimeal tea is also help full to me I also have a major depresive disorder and alot of truble sleeping,
may i ask what other medications you are taking ? some thing are contraindicated for some of the lissed ones inculding melitonin, I would not want you to get sick.
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