So called Ennuchs in the Ancient World

Liza · 05-07-2003, 04:55 AM

Ennuchs are generally neutered men (chopped off dick) according to today's definition.

Having a strong interest in history especially ancient Egypt and Greece's, I stumbled by this interesting theory online. This guy with the theory obviously researched his stuff very thoroughly. It was very interesting!

His thesis: The ancient ennuchs actually weren't castrated. Just gay. Here is the synposis online: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/#Home%202

The whole research and supporting evidence: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/contents.htm

Also for those of you who are lesbian and bi women who felt left out.. no fear!! http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/almah.htm

prostock19 · 05-07-2003, 05:00 AM

I have not heard of such a word until today. What made you research this?

05-07-2003, 05:23 AM

Whoa, a lot to digest at this time of the morning for me!

In my history class in high school, we were taught that homosexuality did exist in ancient Greek and Roman times. Some older male professors liked the idea of their young male students as sexual objects and pursued sexual relations with them. Emperors had their own male lovers, and that was deemed as acceptable. These so-called "heterosexual" men were viewed as heterosexual anyway because they had wives and children. They hated real homosexuals because they had no lust in women.

After the fall of the Roman and Greek civilisation, Christianity came to existence, and it condemned all the homosexual activities.

Incidentially, I do know that in Africa, some men engage in homosexual sex and it is viewed as normal or as a part of their lifestyle. I'll have to read it all later on when I am not tired! Thanks Liza for the interesting info.

MsGiglz · 05-07-2003, 06:00 AM

Oww.. poor guys :X

Liza · 05-07-2003, 06:13 AM

Well, Matty, my friend was recommending Smith's book about this really clever (str8 too) ennuch.. and I just typed ennuch in search engine so I could learn more abt the subject, and bang this came up.... stood out to me lol, I am open minded and actually enjoy reading unusual theories and essays... can you say Alexander Pope?!

Thanks Kuifje! I was thinking of you when I posted this

I think it is so interesting... and would make sense, but I'd like your thoughts are you are done digesting the material

Sydlie · 05-07-2003, 02:13 PM

Not their dick, it was their balls. If you lop off a guy's member then he can't even pee! Alot of times they did it to opera singers, they called the Castrati (hence the english word castrate) and this would keep their body from producing the testosterone it would take to make their voices drop and so they would sing in a high soprano forever. They would also grow very tall and thin. I know that the castrati were allowed to have sex with whomever they wanted and whenever they wanted, man or woman, because after they were castrated, they were no longer consitered to be male or female by other people.

In greek the word "eunuch" means enue, "bed," and echein, "to have charge of" refers to the eunuch's traditional role as a harem keeper. That would make complete sense to me that eunuchs were just gay men. I mean, Greece was known for it's gay population. But since Eunuchs are technically able to get an erection and have sex, I would think that one would be better off having a gay man watch his harem whores than a guy who believes he is entitled to sex whenever he wants from whomever he wants!

Brilliant thought, Liza, I'd never even thought of that before. Good luck on that paper.

deafdyke · 05-08-2003, 12:02 AM

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Some older male professors liked the idea of their young male students as sexual objects and pursued sexual relations with them

I thought that in ancient Greece almost all older high ranking males had relationships with young boys? It's called pederasty, and a lot of members of NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) claim that their proclivties for young boys is justfied b/c "it happened in the past" (vomit!)
I remember reading somewhere that they did it b/c women were thought of as the lowest of the low. Men weren't encouraged to have sex with them, and thus the population almost died out.

illustrator · 06-05-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by Sydlie
Not their dick, it was their balls. If you lop off a guy's member then he can't even pee! Alot of times they did it to opera singers, they called the Castrati (hence the english word castrate) and this would keep their body from producing the testosterone it would take to make their voices drop and so they would sing in a high soprano forever. They would also grow very tall and thin. I know that the castrati were allowed to have sex with whomever they wanted and whenever they wanted, man or woman, because after they were castrated, they were no longer consitered to be male or female by other people.

In greek the word "eunuch" means enue, "bed," and echein, "to have charge of" refers to the eunuch's traditional role as a harem keeper. That would make complete sense to me that eunuchs were just gay men. I mean, Greece was known for it's gay population. But since Eunuchs are technically able to get an erection and have sex, I would think that one would be better off having a gay man watch his harem whores than a guy who believes he is entitled to sex whenever he wants from whomever he wants!

Brilliant thought, Liza, I'd never even thought of that before. Good luck on that paper.

Ooo, that remind me of old movie show, I saw somewhere that two annoying asian-pervert try have sex with queen of ladies island. The punishment, the ladies solider took both guy to the place where they removed their balls. ~ouch.

well, I was little boy who don't understand about balls removed was pain-ass.

XBGMER · 06-06-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by Liza
Ennuchs are generally neutered men (chopped off dick) according to today's definition.

Having a strong interest in history especially ancient Egypt and Greece's, I stumbled by this interesting theory online. This guy with the theory obviously researched his stuff very thoroughly. It was very interesting!

His thesis: The ancient ennuchs actually weren't castrated. Just gay. Here is the synposis online: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/#Home%202

The whole research and supporting evidence: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/contents.htm

Also for those of you who are lesbian and bi women who felt left out.. no fear!! http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/almah.htm

Yike, yike, i do famailar with term EUNUCH from bible already mentioned it you named. grab your bible and look at few verses of Acts 8:27,34-38. Matthew 19:12. and in old testment Major Prophet Jermiah 38:7. get it? New testment and Old testment of this SAME man was from Ethiopan. the EUNUCH which mean ARMY OR MITILITY OR GUARD. but i interested your resource.. keep your reseach it and post on me in future..

05-07-2003, 04:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 3,873	So called Ennuchs in the Ancient World Ennuchs are generally neutered men (chopped off dick) according to today's definition. Having a strong interest in history especially ancient Egypt and Greece's, I stumbled by this interesting theory online. This guy with the theory obviously researched his stuff very thoroughly. It was very interesting! His thesis: The ancient ennuchs actually weren't castrated. Just gay. Here is the synposis online: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/#Home%202 The whole research and supporting evidence: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/contents.htm Also for those of you who are lesbian and bi women who felt left out.. no fear!! http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/almah.htm __________________

05-07-2003, 05:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
prostock19 BAH HUMBUG!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Formerly RI, Now Albany, NY Area Posts: 3,308	I have not heard of such a word until today. What made you research this? __________________

05-07-2003, 05:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	Whoa, a lot to digest at this time of the morning for me! In my history class in high school, we were taught that homosexuality did exist in ancient Greek and Roman times. Some older male professors liked the idea of their young male students as sexual objects and pursued sexual relations with them. Emperors had their own male lovers, and that was deemed as acceptable. These so-called "heterosexual" men were viewed as heterosexual anyway because they had wives and children. They hated real homosexuals because they had no lust in women. After the fall of the Roman and Greek civilisation, Christianity came to existence, and it condemned all the homosexual activities. Incidentially, I do know that in Africa, some men engage in homosexual sex and it is viewed as normal or as a part of their lifestyle. I'll have to read it all later on when I am not tired! Thanks Liza for the interesting info. Last edited by kuifje75; 05-07-2003 at 05:25 AM.

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MsGiglz Finally we are Mr & Mrs.. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: WVa Posts: 4,254	Oww.. poor guys :X __________________

05-07-2003, 06:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 3,873	Well, Matty, my friend was recommending Smith's book about this really clever (str8 too) ennuch.. and I just typed ennuch in search engine so I could learn more abt the subject, and bang this came up.... stood out to me lol, I am open minded and actually enjoy reading unusual theories and essays... can you say Alexander Pope?! Thanks Kuifje! I was thinking of you when I posted this I think it is so interesting... and would make sense, but I'd like your thoughts are you are done digesting the material __________________

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05-07-2003, 02:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sydlie Happier for it Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Columbus Posts: 445	Not their dick, it was their balls. If you lop off a guy's member then he can't even pee! Alot of times they did it to opera singers, they called the Castrati (hence the english word castrate) and this would keep their body from producing the testosterone it would take to make their voices drop and so they would sing in a high soprano forever. They would also grow very tall and thin. I know that the castrati were allowed to have sex with whomever they wanted and whenever they wanted, man or woman, because after they were castrated, they were no longer consitered to be male or female by other people. In greek the word "eunuch" means enue, "bed," and echein, "to have charge of" refers to the eunuch's traditional role as a harem keeper. That would make complete sense to me that eunuchs were just gay men. I mean, Greece was known for it's gay population. But since Eunuchs are technically able to get an erection and have sex, I would think that one would be better off having a gay man watch his harem whores than a guy who believes he is entitled to sex whenever he wants from whomever he wants! Brilliant thought, Liza, I'd never even thought of that before. Good luck on that paper.

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