Liebling:-)))

wow, thank you for sharing cons/pros posts with us here.

All what I see that Property taxes in your country are expensive than Germany.

I paid $250.00 tax property a year due measure of my house and property. No matter how much the house/property cost but measure. Example large like castle/villa would cost more than $1,000 tax property a year.


Yes, I forget to add, thank you for remind me K75.

Cigarettes, Tabaccos, alochoc and coffee have different taxes included with VAT but I dont know how many %.


I will add the bill here to show you this evening.

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DeafSCUBA98

very interesting...

which bill u want to see? i can do several ones.. but i dunno what kind of bill :/

here in minnesota.. we pay sales tax of 6.5% we don't pay sales taxes on food and clothings.

however the cig. and liqour have high sales tax, i dunno what % though..

hotels are high 15% tax.... if you buy a high price item like auto, house, land.. the taxes are lower than the sales tax.

property tax.. i think i pay .7% of the house value. however i normally get half of my property tax refund (it all depends on how much u earn)

federal and state tax.. it withheld out of my check... however i get them all back the end of the year (accually more than what i'm paying) so i get extra cash in my pocket.



not to mention.. i heard the most richest man in world (bill gates) i heard he pays near 1 billion dollars a year in income taxes

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Reba

Wow, I am so glad that our Founding Fathers ensured that the United States could not have a state supported church! It sounds so scary.

Other than the government wanting to control religion, I don't understand why the government would use tax dollars to support churches.

I also don't understand this statement: "jews... because this beliefs are not belongs their pride country"; I got a chill when I read that.

Liebling:-)))

See this bill of Saturday. You will know how much you pay VAT and which 7% and 16% VAT.

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Liebling:-)))

The government donated churches/grave yard for jews here in Germany after World War II and pay the pension to survivors who had been through in camping.
They donated alot of money to build churches etc for jewish but jews want more and more which it's not acceptance. They only support survivors, not their children/grandchildren or great-grandchildren.
We are not allow to visit jew's churches/graveyard because we are not jew reglious.

Germans are furious and felt it's not right to carry on pay the tax for the children or grandchildren of survivors. It's understandable that the survivors has the right to have pension as long as they are alive. The government agree with his people and stop it. The children/grandchildren should do with their churches themselves. Why can't they make church taxes to improve their churches etc like what catholic & protestant did?


Why should the government support different beliefs? Should we pay our tax for different beliefs?
The government are for Protestants and Catholic. They do not control any churches but an ecclesicastical office for church taxes.

An ecclesicastical office (church offices) for each catholic and protestant separately in area where we lives.

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Liebling:-)))

My employer and I paid half of tax from my monthly wage slip (50% - 50%)

Gross tax - Go to Government.
Healthy Insurance - Go to Healthy Insurance company
Church tax - Go to ecclesicastical office (church offices)
Unemployment Insurance - Go to Unemployment Department
Nursing care Insurance - Go to Nursing care office
Pension Insurance - Go to Pension companies (mine is go to Pension Company in Berlin)
solidarity tax - Go to government



The employers are obligate to pay 50% of tax and social insurances for their employees accord German law.

You see that the government only take gross tax and solidarity tax from me, not other taxes.

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ITPjohn

I'm not sure I unddy. You pay gross and solidarity taxes, but your company paid all the others that you mentioned.

Income taxes/Social Security take out about 20% of my annual pay. If I include sales and property taxes, it's another 1-2%. What about yours? I've read that some European countries are HIGH.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, I pay taxes/social insurances every month thru wage slip but they are go to different companies/department except gross tax and solidarity tax. Gross tax and solidarity tax go to Government.

We don't have % for Gross tax, solidarity tax and Church tax. Its depend on difference % accord how much gross wages you have - check with tax tablet. (I paid €12 solidarity tax and €15 church tax a month).

Tax card I for single - more tax
Tax card IV for married couple - quite low tax than single
Tax card III and V for married couple - Who has 61% more than his/her wife/husband then take Tax card III for tooo low tax pay and Tax card V for his/her wife/husband.
It would be more low tax if you have a family. You have to go to Tax Office to change if you have more children, unemployment, or more wage yourself... They help us to reduce our tax pay.

Healthy insurance (6.95%)(for medical cost, surgries, therapies, dentist, etc.)
Unemployment insurance (3.25%) (pay unemployment money, education, training, etc.)
Nursing care insurance (0.85%) - (old people homes, take care of old people at home, etc.)
Pension insurance (9.75%) for my future pension.


I already said in my early post that I only pay $250 property tax a year due measure of my house/property. Please read what Americans said about their tax property in their country in my thread. They paid more than $1,000 a year tax property to follow the value of the house in America.

Yes, I pay tax alot but there're some of cons/pros.

Employer pay me 100% if I am sick leave up to 6 weeks. After 6 weeks sick leave, Public Health insurance pay me 80%.

Public Health insurance pay me 100% to watch the kids due my hubby´s illness.
Public Health insurance pay me 100% to take care of my sick kids until the kids are 12 years old.

Public Health insurance paid me 80% and plus 20% from my employer to watch the kids during my hubby´s 3 weeks absence last April (Spa (reba./cure clinic).

I have 30 days leave annual plus 6 speical leave due disabilty a year with full paid and bonus leave paid.

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kuifje75

In American reciepts, they do not always tell you the exact taxes you pay. It just gives you a total for taxes only. Look at this example:

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Cheri

I don't know what type of vehicle insurance you have, But my insurance does not go up if I am at not at fault in the time of the accident. They only raise it up only if I am at fault at the time of the accident.

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Liebling:-)))

Thank you for share your bill with us.

I work out % of $1.63 tax from your bill where you pay extra for tax = 6.59%. Is it not same % tax in every store?

I hope everyone scan their bills here to see either % tax for foods/drink are same in every stores or not.

VAT (Value added Tax) 16% for materials and 7% for foods/drink are same in every stores around Germany.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, that's right. It's same with Europe.

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kuifje75

Liebling, no..... Not all food are taxed. Only a few things. That is why the tax percentage may seem low for food.

Here are more receipts.

* Utah State Liquor Store does not show taxes. But we know, it's "included" in the prices, just like in Germany.
* Paulino's Nursery shows a summary of taxes
* Asian Marketplace does not show taxes percentage, but taxes are included in the prices, I guess, just like in Germany.
* Denver Botantical Garden shows zero taxes for admission to gardens

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kuifje75

Also Liebling, like I said, taxes vary from city to city.

One city, it can be 5,75%, next city it can be 7,25%.
Got it?

**goes to look for more receipts**

Reba

I didn't mean that the one accident caused only my premium to go up because the other driver (the at fault one) wasn't insured. I mean ALL drivers insurance rates go up because of uninsured drivers. Every insuranced driver is carrying the extra financial burden of the uninsured drivers. When your insurance company pays you a claim, where do you think they get that money? That money comes from ALL the insured drivers. The uninsured drivers are not paying their share. Therefore, the insured drivers are stuck with the entire premium bill. The uninsured drivers ride free.

Reba

Also, it depends on the city and state.

When we lived in Florida, there was no tax on groceries. We were shocked when we moved to South Carolina and had to pay sales tax, same rate, on groceries and all other items. Everything in SC has a sales tax. Some tourist cities even have additional "hospitality" taxes.

While growing up in Connecticut, we paid no sales tax on food from the grocery store, but we paid sales tax for "prepared" or "luxury" food in restaurants and delis. When I worked at the refreshment stand at the movie theater, we charged sales tax for candy, popcorn, and cups of orange drink, but we didn't charge tax for ice cream or soda from the machine. We paid sales tax for adult clothing and shoe sizes, but not for children's sizes. It was very complicated.

The United States is extremely varied.

Reba

Who is your employer? I know that you work for the U.S. Army, but who actually pays your salary? Are you a civil service employee for the Army, or a contract worker, or ....?

Hubby and I pay 100% of our taxes, insurance, etc. We have no employer contribution.

Reba

Donated? I don't think that money was donated out of the goodness of their hearts. I think it is called reparations; that is, money that is due to the victims for the damages done by the guilty ones. Maybe the Jews wouldn't need so many new synagogues if the Germans hadn't destroyed the old ones. Maybe the Jews wouldn't need so many graveyards if the Germans hadn't killed so many of them.

Maybe their grandchildren wouldn't need support if the Germans hadn't stolen the property that belonged to the grandparents in the first place.

I can't imagine why not.

Sigh...I guess the German people are still in denial about their role in the Holocaust, and still harbor anti-Semetic feelings. Personally, if I were a Jew, I don't think I would want to continue living in Germany; it doesn't sound like the situation has improved much since Hitler's time.

I guess because the German Catholics and Protestants destroyed the Jewish synagogues. Although I know some Jews don't want German "blood" money.

Why should the government support religious organizations at all?

If the government controls the source of financial support (that is, taxes) then the government does indeed control the churches. If churches become dependent on government money, then they will support government programs and decisions, even when those decisions clash with church beliefs.

BTW, what are German Protestant churches? I know that "Protestant" is not a denomination, so which churches qualify as "Protestant"? In the U.S., "Protestant" usually includes Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, some Baptists, AME, and Episcopal.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, I´m civil service employee for US Army. We have German employer in Kaiserslautern who are responsible for German employees to deal with wage tarif, etc. etc. etc. Check this link then you will understand the Agreement between US and Germany. We have work contract agreement here accord German law. US follow German´s law system as the same as Germany follow US law system, too when Germans work in America.

Check this link over US-Germany Agreement on Social Security.

http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch..._security.html

http://www.ssa.gov/international/Agr...s/germany.html

The Social Security System
http://www.go-to-do.com/content_eng/mitarbeiter/sv/

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/germany/germany_tax.asp

Work Contract Agreement and Employer´s decision between US, other countries and Europe
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/pr...heets/wt-2.pdf

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We dont have sales taxes here as Oregon is one of a few states with no sales taxes.

We do have state/federal taxes and property taxes.

I pay about 1,700 a year for my condo for property tax.

I lose about 600 a month due to federal/state taxes.

Reba

So you are paid by the United States, correct?

I checked your links but they didn't really answer my question. They were just about Social Security and overtime pay.

Liebling:-)))

German word: Evangelisch = Protestant. All what I see Germans use this word like this. I know what you mean about Lutheran, Baptists, etc. British have the same as US but not German. Evangelisch - simple Protestant... Perhaps Lutheran but I saw rarely here in Germany.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes

US follow German security system. Americans who work for US Army in Germany and also pay German security system, too only if they work in Germany more than 2 years.

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Liebling:-)))

wow...
Interesting, it´s different bills and also different % of tax on foods... some not.

It look like it´s confused when you visit to different stores with different % of tax or not tax... Very interesting...

Every receipts/bill in Germany alway shows how many %VAT I pay. 7% or 16%.

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Liebling:-)))

One more question, I ask you about US public holidays (example about 4th July).

Did Government pay Public holiday for you? I mean that you get free time off for US public holiday without take day leave annual or from overtime?

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Gemtun

Yes we have 6 paid leaves a year. Christmas, New Years Day, Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, Labor Day and 4th of July. It works for all city/county/state/federal employees. But some do add other holidays like Martin Luther King day etc ..but what I just mentioned are 6 most common.

Most private corporations do this. But there are many businesses who operate year round no matter what.

I pay my staff double their regular pay on these days so most love to work on paid holidays though. It depends on where you work. I am a salaried worker so I dont get double pay or overtime anyway.

Reba

Sigh....I wasn't asking anything about Social Security. I don't care about Social Security. I was just asking who pays you.

Liebling:-)))

Please check my post.. I already answered "Yes" and talk about German security system separately from my answer "yes" to your question about US pay me...

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Reba

I'm sorry, I guess my questions were not clear. I will try to rephrase them.

I know that you said that Catholics and Protestants were most popular. What I want to know is, what is the reason for the government supporting relgions and churches? Why is that the government's responsibility? Why do the churches accept that?


But why is the government involved? Why don't the people just give their money directly to the churches that they want to support?


Is "Evangelisch/Protestant" a religious denomination in Germany? What is their doctrine? In the U.S., many churches (such as Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopal) are called "Protestant" but there is no Protestant denomination or church. It is just a generic grouping of denominations that resulted from the break with the Catholic Church. Do you actually have a Protestant denomination in Germany? I thought Lutheran churches were popular in Germany because Martin Luther started the Reformation in Germany.

Reba

Thank you.