Question about right to privacy

JoeyDeafNinja · 07-22-2012, 04:18 PM

Long story, short story. One of my friend posted on her facebook. She posted about Deaf man who are homosexual and have son. He molested her children. She even named his name! I jumped in and warned her that she can get in the trouble with law for expose such information like that plus false accuse. I didn't find that man record for any kind of sexual offender. So that consider as false accuse. She refused to listen to me and got her friends ganged up on me like how "that information can help us protect our children." I kept pointing at the point "Where is the proof that he molested children?" They never gotten that point. They kept saying it is right to do. Fact: It is very wrong! No one have a right to do like that! Post in PUBLIC? Idiot! Private can be different story. Thoughts? EDIT: Warning: I think this thread can cause flaming. I don't mean to stir the pot. I wanted to know if I am right.

JoeyDeafNinja · 07-24-2012, 01:11 AM

bump?

Steinhauer · 07-24-2012, 03:52 AM

Child molestation is a heinous crime and should be reported to the authorities immediately!

No one should try to cover it up. If it is a false allegation, let the proper authorities handle the situation - posting about it on facebook is not the way to handle this.

dereksbicycles · 07-24-2012, 11:26 AM

I would be careful about jumping into other people's business. If she gets sued for naming someone who raped her kids, then it is not your problems. She knew the laws and she chose to ignore them. Don't let anyone drag you into all this mess.

CSign · 07-24-2012, 11:41 AM

If this person actually molested her children then what do you think she'd get in trouble for? It's not libel if it's true.

whatdidyousay! · 07-24-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

If this person actually molested her children then what do you think she'd get in trouble for? It's not libel if it's true.

The mother should had gone to the polices and reported this and taken her child to a hospital to made sure they are OK and get some reports from a doctor saying her child was molested so she can back this up. I am not saying nothing happen to the child, but the mother need to show that her child was
molested . You can't just post this and not have some proof that will be needed it court.

**Smithtr** · 07-24-2012, 02:44 PM

tell report to police!

CSign · 07-30-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

The mother should had gone to the polices and reported this and taken her child to a hospital to made sure they are OK and get some reports from a doctor saying her child was molested so she can back this up. I am not saying nothing happen to the child, but the mother need to show that her child was
molested . You can't just post this and not have some proof that will be needed it court.

Right- the mom should have (and hopefully did) go to the police. However, this person won't get in trouble if it's the truth.

Frisky Feline · 07-30-2012, 12:35 PM

contact CPS and contact any adults.

caz12 · 07-30-2012, 01:00 PM

my friend daughter did same on fb a man she know was being accused of child molestation she said same unless got proof do not say these things...she has had so much hatemail that had close account

CSign · 07-30-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by caz12

my friend daughter did same on fb a man she know was being accused of child molestation she said same unless got proof do not say these things...she has had so much hatemail that had close account

I'm certainly not advocating that people do this. However, I am saying that it was within her rights to do that if it was in fact the truth.

Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record, or because they aren't a registered sex offender doesn't mean they aren't guilty. Conversely, just because someone has been accused doesn't mean they are guilty. It's a tricky situation.

DeafTim · 07-30-2012, 06:03 PM

becareful b/c this could turn into a physical confrontation..

**saywhatkid** · 07-30-2012, 06:28 PM

If you are going to accuse someone publicly like this, you better be right. A whole lot of lawyers are circling above...

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

If this person actually molested her children then what do you think she'd get in trouble for? It's not libel if it's true.

whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I'm certainly not advocating that people do this. However, I am saying that it was within her rights to do that if it was in fact the truth.

Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record, or because they aren't a registered sex offender doesn't mean they aren't guilty. Conversely, just because someone has been accused doesn't mean they are guilty. It's a tricky situation.

you are very well advocating treating a guilty person as guilty one even if he was not proven guilty in the court of law until then. that's a very very very dangerous advice you're giving.

it's called vigilantism.

my advice? simple - let the lawyer and police handle it. do not accuse or libel until he is proven guilty in the court of law. period.

**Reba** · 07-31-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

That applies to legal processes only. If victims want to tell others that so-and-so hit them, robbed them, raped them, etc., they can. They just have to be prepared for legal consequences if the accusation turns out to be false.

**Reba** · 07-31-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

...Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record, or because they aren't a registered sex offender doesn't mean they aren't guilty....

That's right. Sandusky had a clean record for decades before he was finally brought to trial.

CSign · 07-31-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's right. Sandusky had a clean record for decades before he was finally brought to trial.

Good example Reba.

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That applies to legal processes only. If victims want to tell others that so-and-so hit them, robbed them, raped them, etc., they can. They just have to be prepared for legal consequences if the accusation turns out to be false.

but would you advise and encourage a person making an allegation and risk a legal consequences? I wouldn't.

FYI - this is not a victim we're talking about. this is just a mother saying that he molested her children.

**TXgolfer** · 07-31-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

but would you advise and encourage a person making an allegation and risk a legal consequences? I wouldn't.

FYI - this is not a victim we're talking about. this is just a mother saying that he molested her children.

See, that is another thing you will learn as a parent......The mother is very much a victim too. Assuming the allegations are true, of course.

**Foxrac** · 07-31-2012, 02:45 PM

Oh wow, it already happened on social networking when people tell someone is stealing, raping, attacking, threatening, killing, etc and usually I see like that is false accusation. That's just type of drama.

It isn't good place to tell on social networking (like FB) if accusation turns to be truth and let police deal with that, also they need evidences too.

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

See, that is another thing you will learn as a parent......The mother is very much a victim too. Assuming the allegations are true, of course.

and that's why I don't have a short hindsight like you.

this man can be very much a victim too... in a worst position assuming that allegations are untrue, of course. false accusation is a very very destructive thing that can happen to a person. and a very very easy way to destroy a person if you're a vindictive person.

like I said - don't encourage nor advise a person to go around accusing a somebody, pulling a "oh poor me!" victim card to gather a crowd and garner some sympathy votes and attention because of perhaps lack of evidence. Just leave it to police and court to deal with it. the only advice you should be giving is - call a cop. every person has a right to due process... even Sandusky. Sandusky was found guilty in the court of law and now he can be treated as a guilty pedophile. I will not be a party to vigilantism or pitchfork mob and assume every accused man is Sandusky.

JoeyDeafNinja did a right thing - "where is the proof that he molested children?"

I don't even need to be a parent to understand this. What you're saying is comical. You don't know anything about this. I don't either. That's why I'm not even going to sympathize or even believe her. Simple - don't get involved. don't encourage nor advise a person to accuse.

**Reba** · 07-31-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

but would you advise and encourage a person making an allegation and risk a legal consequences? I wouldn't.

FYI - this is not a victim we're talking about. this is just a mother saying that he molested her children.

"Just" a mother?

**Reba** · 07-31-2012, 03:12 PM

Like I posted, if it's a false allegation, then the poster will have to face the consequences (such as being sued for libel).

If it's a true accusation, then other parents will be grateful for being warned.

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

"Just" a mother?

yes?

**Jiro** · 07-31-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Like I posted, if it's a false allegation, then the poster will have to face the consequences (such as being sued for libel).

being sued for libel is nothing compared to being accused for child molestation. not even close. being accused for child molestation is in fact extremely destructive and mostly unrecoverable. it's an absolute horror.

you get cut off from your friends and families... and you lose a job and possibly your home. and you'll continued to get shunned by public - no matter if you're innocent. this drives an innocent person to deep depression and eventually suicide.

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Originally Posted by Reba

If it's a true accusation, then other parents will be grateful for being warned.

I still would never advise or encourage a person to publicly accuse a person especially when it comes to child molestation.

I'm not going to play with "if" game. That's a very dangerous game.

07-22-2012, 04:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
JoeyDeafNinja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Travelers Rest, SC Posts: 1,267	Question about right to privacy Long story, short story. One of my friend posted on her facebook. She posted about Deaf man who are homosexual and have son. He molested her children. She even named his name! I jumped in and warned her that she can get in the trouble with law for expose such information like that plus false accuse. I didn't find that man record for any kind of sexual offender. So that consider as false accuse. She refused to listen to me and got her friends ganged up on me like how "that information can help us protect our children." I kept pointing at the point "Where is the proof that he molested children?" They never gotten that point. They kept saying it is right to do. Fact: It is very wrong! No one have a right to do like that! Post in PUBLIC? Idiot! Private can be different story. Thoughts? EDIT: Warning: I think this thread can cause flaming. I don't mean to stir the pot. I wanted to know if I am right. __________________ Strength and thrown off reason and reality Cut myself and screamed for their insanity Wake up to this nightmare that will never end Main attraction of this twisted master plan I will be your deadman With nothing but this blood on my hands Stuck in your wonderland I wanna make you bleed just like me So make me your deadman With only poisoning in my veins Stuck in your wonderland Stagnated by the passivity I'm gonna make you bleed like me

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JoeyDeafNinja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Travelers Rest, SC Posts: 1,267	bump? __________________ Strength and thrown off reason and reality Cut myself and screamed for their insanity Wake up to this nightmare that will never end Main attraction of this twisted master plan I will be your deadman With nothing but this blood on my hands Stuck in your wonderland I wanna make you bleed just like me So make me your deadman With only poisoning in my veins Stuck in your wonderland Stagnated by the passivity I'm gonna make you bleed like me

07-24-2012, 03:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Child molestation is a heinous crime and should be reported to the authorities immediately! No one should try to cover it up. If it is a false allegation, let the proper authorities handle the situation - posting about it on facebook is not the way to handle this. CrazyPaul likes this.

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dereksbicycles Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: 60202 Posts: 3,787	I would be careful about jumping into other people's business. If she gets sued for naming someone who raped her kids, then it is not your problems. She knew the laws and she chose to ignore them. Don't let anyone drag you into all this mess. CrazyPaul likes this.

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,183	If this person actually molested her children then what do you think she'd get in trouble for? It's not libel if it's true. Steinhauer and CrazyPaul like this.

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caz12 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,806	my friend daughter did same on fb a man she know was being accused of child molestation she said same unless got proof do not say these things...she has had so much hatemail that had close account

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Foxrac Need Stormtroopers? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Zaphias Posts: 32,401	Oh wow, it already happened on social networking when people tell someone is stealing, raping, attacking, threatening, killing, etc and usually I see like that is false accusation. That's just type of drama. It isn't good place to tell on social networking (like FB) if accusation turns to be truth and let police deal with that, also they need evidences too. __________________ In Moto We Trust

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	Like I posted, if it's a false allegation, then the poster will have to face the consequences (such as being sued for libel). If it's a true accusation, then other parents will be grateful for being warned.

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