For Canadian ADers: What cell phones are like the BB Curve 8310 with TTY function?

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Hey, I just found out (yeah, so sue me for living under a rock :P ) that Blackberry's Curve 8310 (or pretty much any new BB) has a TTY function that turns it into a TTY so one can call 711 and use the BB as if you had a TTY. I understand it does not work with Voice-Carry-Over, but that is okay.

I was all excited and made a beeline for the nearest Ruger's store. Here's what happened (I posted in another thread): http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-product...ll-phone-blackberry-sidekick.html#post1039788

So now I've come back to ask if any ADers in Canada know of a regular cell phone that works like BB's TTY function. I could save like $40.00 a month if I had just a regular cell phone. Crazy, I don't understand the whole wireless/cell phone plans. I've never had a cell phone (how did I live--simply with a landline and old TTY), but now I really need a cell phone or BB, but I definitely cannot afford $87.45 a month, which doesn't even include any out-of-range or over-the-limit calls or texts.

Anyone able to help in pointing me to cell phones that while aren't as good as BB, they offer the TTY function, can send and receive text message, receive SpinVox, and surf the Internet on occassion (I'll leave the email for at home)?

Thank you! :ty:
 
It doesn't work that way, unfortunately...

All modern cellphones have a TTY function to make it compatible with an external TTY connected over a cable...
It doesn't let you use the keyboard to type directly on the device...

I did, however, jerryrig a home-made Bell Canada IP-Relay system:
MiniTTY
(Please don't send me an email asking me where to download it, unless you have a business investment that would like to invest in making a public-rollout possible. This is currently only a homebrew system that requires home server infrastructue, and would require a little business investment for a public-rollout.)

I also use WebCapTel on my laptop as well (I have two U.S. phone lines, both forwarding to Canadian phone numbers, so I am able to use Captioned Telephone while in Canada even though Captioned Telephone is only available in the U.S.). Apparently WebCapTel also works on iPhone (I just tested on iPhone 3G at a local Rogers store).

Also, Rogers Canada now has the $30 for 6gigabyte promotion expiring August 31st (see the Rogers area of HowardForums.com), which can thus be combined with a 200minutes voice for $20 plan, plus the mandatory SAF ($6.95), plus 911 fee ($0.50), for a total cellphone cost of approximately $57.00 plus taxes (PST and GST). That is less than $87. With some tricky phone calls to Customer Retentions, it may be possible to later switch from the $20 plan to a $5 voice plan (but it's advanced user stuff), to reduce your BlackBerry bill to only approx $42.00 plus taxes. The promo data price unfortunately does require a voice package so that's why you need both. This assumes you get a BlackBerry separately (such as a BlackBerry 8700 from eBay for only $80). For now, get the $57.00 package and you'll have nearly unlimited data -- the BlackBerry can be used as a modem for laptop too, so you can get Internet anywhere you get cellphone reception. (6gig is plenty for web browsing stuff on laptop, including chatting, email, etc)

I highly recommend BlackBerry, as they are very easy to type on.
 
It doesn't work that way, unfortunately...

All modern cellphones have a TTY function to make it compatible with an external TTY connected over a cable...
It doesn't let you use the keyboard to type directly on the device...

I did, however, jerryrig a home-made Bell Canada IP-Relay system:
MiniTTY
(Please don't send me an email asking me where to download it, unless you have a business investment that would like to invest in making a public-rollout possible. This is currently only a homebrew system that requires home server infrastructue, and would require a little business investment for a public-rollout.)

I also use WebCapTel on my laptop as well (I have two U.S. phone lines, both forwarding to Canadian phone numbers, so I am able to use Captioned Telephone while in Canada even though Captioned Telephone is only available in the U.S.). Apparently WebCapTel also works on iPhone (I just tested on iPhone 3G at a local Rogers store).

Also, Rogers Canada now has the $30 for 6gigabyte promotion expiring August 31st (see the Rogers area of HowardForums.com), which can thus be combined with a 200minutes voice for $20 plan, plus the mandatory SAF ($6.95), plus 911 fee ($0.50), for a total cellphone cost of approximately $57.00 plus taxes (PST and GST). That is less than $87. With some tricky phone calls to Customer Retentions, it may be possible to later switch from the $20 plan to a $5 voice plan (but it's advanced user stuff), to reduce your BlackBerry bill to only approx $42.00 plus taxes. The promo data price unfortunately does require a voice package so that's why you need both. This assumes you get a BlackBerry separately (such as a BlackBerry 8700 from eBay for only $80). For now, get the $57.00 package and you'll have nearly unlimited data -- the BlackBerry can be used as a modem for laptop too, so you can get Internet anywhere you get cellphone reception. (6gig is plenty for web browsing stuff on laptop, including chatting, email, etc)

I highly recommend BlackBerry, as they are very easy to type on.

Hi Mark,

I rather have iPhone G3 with unlimited data usage because I tend to use Internet alot during the road or train trip. Unfortunately the Rogers Wireless did not offer that feature when they released their rate plan which was one of the most expensive in the world last month. That was why I decided not to buy iPhone 3G from them.

I agree with you about the Blackberry 8700 that I am using at this moment. I love it so much.
 
Hi Mark,

I rather have iPhone G3 with unlimited data usage because I tend to use Internet alot during the road or train trip. Unfortunately the Rogers Wireless did not offer that feature when they released their rate plan which was one of the most expensive in the world last month. That was why I decided not to buy iPhone 3G from them.

I agree with you about the Blackberry 8700 that I am using at this moment. I love it so much.
I agree but the Verizon Unlimited plan actually has a 5 gigabyte softcap, and 6 gigabytes is quite plenty. And AT&T has a softcap now, reportedly, at 5 gigabytes. So US and Canada not too different anymore when Rogers cut the $60 down to $30 after consumer outrage, anger at Rogers, so Rogers dropped the price of data quite a bit!

Make sure you switch your BlackBerry 8700 to the new 6gig/$30 plan -- it's a great deal compared to the old 25meg/$60 plan. The new $30 data plan is available for all smartphones, including BlackBerry. It's also great to use my BlackBerry as a modem for my laptop too -- where I have cellphone reception, I now can use my laptop for Internet too. Now I can use Google Maps, GPS, Facebook, Browser, etc, as much as I want -- I used less than 200 megabytes less month (less than 5% of my 6 gigabyte allowance). And that even includes attaching cameraphone photos as file attachments to my BlackBerry email messages. (My BlackBerry Curve has a camera built-in). So it's pretty much unlimited to me, surf all I want...

It could be better, but it is "unlimited" enough: I dare you to hit the 6 gigabyte limit for on-device Internet without using tethering (using device as modem for laptop)...

My BlackBerry Curve is now on the 6gig/$30 data plan. Just need to call 1-866-931-DATA and get them to switch to the big 6 gigabyte data plan. Can't wait for the BlackBerry Bold!
 
I agree but the Verizon Unlimited plan actually has a 5 gigabyte softcap, and 6 gigabytes is quite plenty. And AT&T has a softcap now, reportedly, at 5 gigabytes. So US and Canada not too different anymore when Rogers cut the $60 down to $30 after consumer outrage, anger at Rogers, so Rogers dropped the price of data quite a bit!

Make sure you switch your BlackBerry 8700 to the new 6gig/$30 plan -- it's a great deal compared to the old 25meg/$60 plan. The new $30 data plan is available for all smartphones, including BlackBerry. It's also great to use my BlackBerry as a modem for my laptop too -- where I have cellphone reception, I now can use my laptop for Internet too. Now I can use Google Maps, GPS, Facebook, Browser, etc, as much as I want -- I used less than 200 megabytes less month (less than 5% of my 6 gigabyte allowance). And that even includes attaching cameraphone photos as file attachments to my BlackBerry email messages. (My BlackBerry Curve has a camera built-in). So it's pretty much unlimited to me, surf all I want...

It could be better, but it is "unlimited" enough: I dare you to hit the 6 gigabyte limit for on-device Internet without using tethering (using device as modem for laptop)...

My BlackBerry Curve is now on the 6gig/$30 data plan. Just need to call 1-866-931-DATA and get them to switch to the big 6 gigabyte data plan. Can't wait for the BlackBerry Bold!

Actually my BB 8700 belongs to my employer. I convinced my manager to provide me BB since I emphasized on safety and access. I have no idea how much my employer is paying to the Rogers to whom they have had a contract for their services; however, I rather not abuse the guidelines that my employer set for their employees about the use of BB.

Yeah I am real interested into looking and maybe buying BB Bold when they become available in the stores.

What do you think of Samsung's Insight that Bell Canada will start selling next month? I know for a fact that they do not have wi-fi capability.
 
What do you think of Samsung's Insight that Bell Canada will start selling next month? I know for a fact that they do not have wi-fi capability.

Not only to mention Bell Mobility's plan to make people pay 15 cents per incoming and outgoing text messages... that's going to make a dent!
 
Not only to mention Bell Mobility's plan to make people pay 15 cents per incoming and outgoing text messages... that's going to make a dent!

Yeah right! Thanks for mentioning it!
 
Also, Rogers Canada now has the $30 for 6gigabyte promotion expiring August 31st (see the Rogers area of HowardForums.com), which can thus be combined with a 200minutes voice for $20 plan, plus the mandatory SAF ($6.95), plus 911 fee ($0.50), for a total cellphone cost of approximately $57.00 plus taxes (PST and GST). That is less than $87. With some tricky phone calls to Customer Retentions, it may be possible to later switch from the $20 plan to a $5 voice plan (but it's advanced user stuff), to reduce your BlackBerry bill to only approx $42.00 plus taxes. The promo data price unfortunately does require a voice package so that's why you need both. This assumes you get a BlackBerry separately (such as a BlackBerry 8700 from eBay for only $80). For now, get the $57.00 package and you'll have nearly unlimited data -- the BlackBerry can be used as a modem for laptop too, so you can get Internet anywhere you get cellphone reception. (6gig is plenty for web browsing stuff on laptop, including chatting, email, etc)

I highly recommend BlackBerry, as they are very easy to type on.

That is too bad there aren't cell phones out there with the same TTY abilities as the BB (yeah I know about the ones you hook up with a cable to a TTY).

Now I like that $57.00, but that doesn't include the additional $15.00 a month to get the SpinVox voice-to-text messaging service, right?

Oh, I also found out Telus is also offering that SpinVox Voice-to-Text Messaging service, and I am already a Telus client (with landline which I had hoped to replace with the BB TTY). I currently pay $42.29 for their cheapest phone plan so an increase of $20 a month for something better plus an answering machine to boot is a good thing.

The salesperson kept saying something about paying $30.00 a month to lease the BB. I was like huh, but I can buy one for like $500 or $600. I mean $30 a month = $360 a year and if I am stuck in a 36-month contract I'd pay $1080 for something I could have bought somewhere for $600, right?

Well, what exactly should I be asking for and where should I get a TTY-fuctioning BB? eBay sounds dodgy to me, how do I know it's not a rip-off or whatever? I've checked FutureShop and BestBuy but it looks like one has to buy the wireless plan from either Rogers or Telus, especially if I want that SpinVox.

Anyway, I really liked that BB Curve 8310. The keyboard was large enough for my not-so-nimble thingers, plus I didn't need to change functions from numbers to letters like on the smaller phones.

Any advice you can give on navigating the pushy Rogers (or Telus) people and get that price you just quoted would be much appreciated!
 
Not only to mention Bell Mobility's plan to make people pay 15 cents per incoming and outgoing text messages... that's going to make a dent!
That's only for people without a text messaging plan.

Bell Mobility doesn't charge for texting if you're already on a "text messaging package" -- that is unchanged. No charges on Bell Mobility if you're already on "package".

The 15 cent charges are only if you don't subscribe to a text message package. Annoying, we put up with them, but at least let's make sure the facts are accurate. The 15 cent incoming text charge is not mandatory on all Bell plans. It can be eliminated by adding a $5/month or $10/month option.
 
That is too bad there aren't cell phones out there with the same TTY abilities as the BB (yeah I know about the ones you hook up with a cable to a TTY).
BlackBerry do not have native TTY abilities.

BlackBerry just simply can accept third party software for U.S. services that turn the device into the equivalent of a TTY.

I've even turned an iPhone into a TTY and Captioned Telephone, by running special software on it. Same goes for TREO, Pocket PC, even Nokia etc. They all can turn into a TTY with special software especially in the United States. Unfortunately, it's not possible to do this in Canada.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to turn a BlackBerry into a TTY in CANADA without some tricks. You are out of luck... Canadian's must use a cable between a cellphone and a BlackBerry to call Bell Canada Relay service.

Very few people do things like jerryrig a homebrew ip-relay service like I did (BlackBerry->Telnet/SSH->Linux->TDD Modem->Dial 711->Bell Canada Relay) since that requires quite a bit of technical knowledge.

Now I like that $57.00, but that doesn't include the additional $15.00 a month to get the SpinVox voice-to-text messaging service, right?
Nope, it doesn't. I do have to pay that $15 per month extra charge.

The salesperson kept saying something about paying $30.00 a month to lease the BB.
It's best to buy outright. Personally, I prefer GSM devices because they use the SIM card method.

That way, it's easy to switch between different phones. I remove the SIM card from my BlackBerry and plug it into an iPhone. Presto! My phone number has been instantly transferred from BlackBerry to iPhone. I can own two phones and just have one phone plan. I can move the SIM card between phones. I can even get phones off eBay, or off my mom (if she's Rogers), or off a friend -- All I do is transfer the SIM card, which is like a digital camera's memory card. I don't even need to tell Rogers I'm using a different cellphone -- it takes less than 2 minutes to move my cellphone number from one cellphone to a different cellphone. As easy as moving a memory card between two gadgets.

Fido and Rogers (GSM) can only do that. Bell Mobility and Telus cannot. Too bad we Canadians are stuck with Fido and Rogers if we want cellphone flexibility.

Well, what exactly should I be asking for and where should I get a TTY-fuctioning BB? eBay sounds dodgy to me, how do I know it's not a rip-off or whatever?
eBay is hundreds of thousand of sellers, including people like you and me. Everybody sells from big reputable companies down to the criminals, so yes you must exercise some judgement. You can, yes, accidentally buy from a criminal off eBay. eBay is just one big classified ads website -- like the Classifieds section of the newspaper, but better. You can even hold a garage sale of your own items on eBay. But also big companies sell there, even including Dell Inc. (the big computer maker) at least at some time in the past, to get rid of used/refurbished computers that are perfectly working, etc. It is also more environmentally friendly, buy and sell used stuff instead of throwing them away....

I recommend the book "eBay For Dummies" as a good introduction to safely making purchases on eBay. The book is also available at the local Chapters/Indigo, and I think it could be found at Smithbooks too. It is an excellent book. I have had 100% safety success on my last 74 purchases off eBay. But yes, eBay can be dangerous, just be "safe smart" on eBay; learn how to be safe on eBay!

(The "eBay for Dummies" books have generally good reviews. Such as "Yes..I was afraid..I was very afraid..but there's no better feeling than going into something armed with knowledge, even if you are a newbie! And you don't need to read it cover to cover to get started. It's easy to look up and find answers to questions you have to get started, and it'll always be there as a refrence as you go along and become more comfortable.You'll be a biddin' and a buyin'(and maybe even a sellin')in no time at all. Be careful though..you may get hooked!")")

I've checked FutureShop and BestBuy but it looks like one has to buy the wireless plan from either Rogers or Telus, especially if I want that SpinVox.
You can add Spinvox later to ANY plan. Just get some cheap plan first, then get Spinvox added later by telephone to Rogers. That's what I did. Salespeople know nothing.

One can get a cheap $20/month voice plan in the store. Then call into Bell or Rogers to switch it into a better data plan, and then add SpinVox, and enhance their plan. You only need an activated month by month plan, preferably on no-contract to begin with, then you can make some informed decisions about "upgrading" the phone plan.

You may wish to skip resellers and go directly into a large Rogers or Telus or Bell Mobility store (when the people there are not busy) and do it there. If they are pushy, leave and go to a different store...

Anyway, I really liked that BB Curve 8310. The keyboard was large enough for my not-so-nimble thingers, plus I didn't need to change functions from numbers to letters like on the smaller phones.
The Curve is a great device, but BlackBerry Bold will be even better!

Any advice you can give on navigating the pushy Rogers (or Telus) people and get that price you just quoted would be much appreciated
Technique #1

1. Go into a brand name Rogers or Bell or Telus store (not Future Shop), pay FULL price for the phone handset, and get the cheapest month-by-month phone plan they have available ($20 for 200mins I think) - that can even be downgraded later or removed entirely.
2. Be firm. Say you want to pay for a non-subsidized phone (full price, no discount) and a no-contract voice plan. If they say otherwise, be firm. (Or you can get an unused Rogers phone and bring that phone into the Rogers store to begin with)
3. Add on any necessary upgrades (i.e. Spinvox). If they don't know what it is, don't worry -- just leave the store and get it added later.
4. Leave store.
5. Add any missing options (i.e. Spinvox) by phone. You can even go into a better contract voice plan by phone too, if desired.
6. You can even later buy a used BlackBerry and move the SIM card to that one.

Or for now, since you cannot easily TTY directly on any device in Canada (without tethering to an external TTY), you can easily add Spinvox to your existing cellphone right now, without switching phones. You just need to call in. Sometimes an existing voicemail plan conflicts (if they can't add it), so they need to remove that and replace that feature with Spinvox.

My current BlackBerry plan:
$20....VOICE 200 minutes (no contract, no cancellation fee)
$30....DATA 6 gigs (3-year contract, $100 early cancellation fee)
$6.95....System Access Fee
$0.50....911 fee
_____________________________
$57.45 plus PST and GST

Plus of course, $15.00 extra for Spinvox, which I added recently, and the $10.00 text messaging plan for 2500 text messages. (Yeah, the extra charges do add up!)

You will often get misleading information such as it's not possible to get the $30 data plan without going into a 3-year contract, so you really have to work hard at getting the right information from the right people, and applying it to the right people at the right store. Can get a little tricky and frustrating. To learn more about navigating the Labyrinth of Rogers, Telus, Bell, Fido, go to www.HowardForums.com (For Canadian cellphone forum -- click the "Rogers" topic)
 
You're saying the BB cannot turn into a TTY? The clerk at the Rogers store said it would, all I had to do was make sure the TTY function was on and call 711. She sure didn't know what she was talking about then!

Well, bugger it, that means I would have to get something like the Q90 or the Compact/C and plug it into the BB, switch to the TTY function, then call 711.

Yeah, back to square one. :mad:



BlackBerry do not have native TTY abilities.

BlackBerry just simply can accept third party software for U.S. services that turn the device into the equivalent of a TTY.

I've even turned an iPhone into a TTY and Captioned Telephone, by running special software on it. Same goes for TREO, Pocket PC, even Nokia etc. They all can turn into a TTY with special software especially in the United States. Unfortunately, it's not possible to do this in Canada.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to turn a BlackBerry into a TTY in CANADA without some tricks. You are out of luck... Canadian's must use a cable between a cellphone and a BlackBerry to call Bell Canada Relay service.

Very few people do things like jerryrig a homebrew ip-relay service like I did (BlackBerry->Telnet/SSH->Linux->TDD Modem->Dial 711->Bell Canada Relay) since that requires quite a bit of technical knowledge.
 
You're saying the BB cannot turn into a TTY? The clerk at the Rogers store said it would, all I had to do was make sure the TTY function was on and call 711. She sure didn't know what she was talking about then!

Well, bugger it, that means I would have to get something like the Q90 or the Compact/C and plug it into the BB, switch to the TTY function, then call 711.

Yeah, back to square one. :mad:
Or one could get a remote TTY (Linux or MacOS computer with a TTY modem such as Ultratec Intelemodem, etc). You just use the cellphone to remotely connect to the remote computer that has the TTY modem, then make a TTY call that way.

Then use the cellphone to remotely connect to the computer, and place a TTY call remotely. Telnet, SSH, or some other protocol that allows access remote access. Even VNC or Remote Desktop would work, if you wanted to use Windows XP, in theory. (There is software available for BlackBerry to use VNC and Remote Desktop -- see an image of your home computer desktop, on your BlackBerry, and operate your home computer remotely -- but get a 3G high speed BlackBerry if you do things this way.)

So there's "homebrew" workarounds.
A little technical, but the fact that it's possible at all to manually jerryrig ANY cellphone into a TTY simply by making the cellphone connect to the remote TTY...

It's difficult for a non-technical-minded person, but possible.
 
Yeah, that is me, a non-technical-minded person. :lol:

Well I guess I will continue to be one of the rare people that doesn't have a cell phone let alone a BB nor an answering machine. It seems neither Rogers or Telus enable SpinVox with just a regular telephone account that has a voicemail plan because the SpinVox doesn't send to a regular email account like Gmail or Hotmail so I can't read my voice-to-text messages.



Or one could get a remote TTY (Linux or MacOS computer with a TTY modem such as Ultratec Intelemodem, etc). You just use the cellphone to remotely connect to the remote computer that has the TTY modem, then make a TTY call that way.

Then use the cellphone to remotely connect to the computer, and place a TTY call remotely. Telnet, SSH, or some other protocol that allows access remote access. Even VNC or Remote Desktop would work, if you wanted to use Windows XP, in theory. (There is software available for BlackBerry to use VNC and Remote Desktop -- see an image of your home computer desktop, on your BlackBerry, and operate your home computer remotely -- but get a 3G high speed BlackBerry if you do things this way.)

So there's "homebrew" workarounds.
A little technical, but the fact that it's possible at all to manually jerryrig ANY cellphone into a TTY simply by making the cellphone connect to the remote TTY...

It's difficult for a non-technical-minded person, but possible.
 
What about getting third-party voicemail?

One can purchase a third party voice-to-text voicemail service (sold separately, not with Rogers or Telus) just use call forwarding to a third party, and they can be configured to forward voicemails to email -- you don't even need a cellphone for this type of standalone service. Costs more, but that's what for many years before Rogers introduced SpinVox. Works great with BlackBerry too, although I switched to SpinVox because it was cheaper.

Alternatively, you can get SpinVox on a Telus phone simply by switching the voiceplan to one that doesn't include voicemail, and then adding SpinVox. Sometimes the cancellation department (Retentions Department) can give special deals, not offered in stores, sometimes it takes a couple to three phone calls of persuasive argument (after a "please transfer me to the cancellation department" and talking to the right people) though.

And even if you use a cellphone company that doesn't offer SpinVox (i.e.Fido), you can get a similiar service standalone, just use callforwarding to make your cellphone use a different company's voicemail system. An example of mixing up different services -- it's the voicemail equivalent of the concept of purchasing Rogers HighSpeed Cable, but using GMAIL/Yahoo instead for your email instead of using an @rogers.com email address.
 
Got any suggestions for one of those voice-to-text messaging services for a Canadian-based telephone number? Correct me if I am wrong, but how does one get a voiceplan to that does not have voicemail then add SpinVox?

Oh, going back to the Blackberry 8310. I've seen several on eBay, and point taken regarding my comments about being duped. All I need to do is check out feedbacks. Lots of the sellers have like 96 to 100 per cent positive feedback so that's good, yeah.

Anyway, what I was curious about is if I got a BB 8310 that has the AT&T logo on it and is from the USA, would I be able to get a Canadian-based voice & data plan on that BB?

I know I sound like a noob here, but never done the cell-phone thing so no clue if a BB that has a name other than Rogers on it and from the USA would work in Canada.

What about getting third-party voicemail?

One can purchase a third party voice-to-text voicemail service (sold separately, not with Rogers or Telus) just use call forwarding to a third party, and they can be configured to forward voicemails to email -- you don't even need a cellphone for this type of standalone service. Costs more, but that's what for many years before Rogers introduced SpinVox. Works great with BlackBerry too, although I switched to SpinVox because it was cheaper.

Alternatively, you can get SpinVox on a Telus phone simply by switching the voiceplan to one that doesn't include voicemail, and then adding SpinVox. Sometimes the cancellation department (Retentions Department) can give special deals, not offered in stores, sometimes it takes a couple to three phone calls of persuasive argument (after a "please transfer me to the cancellation department" and talking to the right people) though.

And even if you use a cellphone company that doesn't offer SpinVox (i.e.Fido), you can get a similiar service standalone, just use callforwarding to make your cellphone use a different company's voicemail system. An example of mixing up different services -- it's the voicemail equivalent of the concept of purchasing Rogers HighSpeed Cable, but using GMAIL/Yahoo instead for your email instead of using an @rogers.com email address.
 
BlackBerry do not have native TTY abilities.

Not true. Can enable TTY mode where plugging a portable tty into the blackberry makes it work. But BB doesn't have the right kind of modem for TTY on the handset (not unusual!)
 
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