rhr

Hi All

I wanted Closed Caption Tweak program (extra options more) add-on/plug-ins for MCE2005 (Media center Edition 2005)

I have MCE2005 but only CC1, CC2, Mute, On, and Off, no extra
background is no soild and grey, I need black Soild background?

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Mookie

Are you talking about new Window XP operating system?

Neo

Yes and It's XP Media Center Edition 2005

DarrenD

I haven't seen such a thing, though you can try wading through the vast landscape that is AVS Forums.

I think this is the forum for HTPCs and stuff like that.

Do you want this for a TV tuner card or for DVD movies? I'm pretty sure it is program-dependent, the closed captioning, I mean. You might be able to tweak around with Graphedit, but there is a sort of steep learning curve if you're really new to playing around with filters, codecs, and stuff like that.

rhr

Yes, I many HTPC Forums at www.thegreenbuttom.com and www.avsforum.com but they don't care, they not interest closed caption. but better deaf know about caption than hearing

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DarrenD

I know what you mean. There is not much of a concern for it, and even the best program for the ATI HDTV card (WatchHDTV) does not support captioning because captioning "isn't high on his list of priorities." It's a hobby with him and he IS doing it for free, so there is not much one can say about it.

Well, you can try and play around with Graphedit. I did, but I couldn't get it to render ATSC captions, but the analog captions look like they might be easy to fool with. I don't have an antenna or cable attached to my analog plug in my computer so I don't know exactly how to tweak it.

There is a thread here, at Rage3D that explains some about Graphedit, and there are a bunch of layouts and examples to use. There are several setups with closed captioning.

Have you tried that?

rhr

I use Regedit.exe under MCE2005, I saw Caption mode, size, color, i try change FFFFFFFF to 00000010 etc.. they are nohting but I saw CaptionMode = 0, I turn on, saw Captionmode = 1 near color, size are nothing, I will find it

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DarrenD

What's your setup? I'm not sure if regedit will get you what you want.

rushabh

Good to see fellow deaf HTPC users here. I also have a MCE 2005 set-up and am happy with the basic captioning function. You might want to contact this guy amirm (?) on Avsforum.com as he is a Microsoft guy who addresses questions about the MCE 2005. A PM to amirm might get you the info you are seeking.

rhr

WHOA! I bought ATI HDTV Wonder and instsll MCE 2005
They have MORE Function CC!!!!
MCE 2005 many beat HDTV’s options CC

Analog Caption display
On
Off
On when muted

Captioning for Analog Channel
CC1
CC2

Captioning for Digital Channel (ONLY)
Basic CC1 (as Analog’s CC)
Basic CC2 (as Analog’s CC)
Advanced – Service 1
Advanced – Service 2
Advanced – Service 3
Advanced – Service 4
Advanced – Service 5
Advanced – Service 6

Left screen
“SAVE”
“Cancel”
“Advanced”  click

Screen show “Digital Closed Caption”
( ) Use Settings in Broadcast
( ) Use Custon Settings below  click

Text Size
As Broadcast
Small
Standard
Large
Text Style (Fonts)
Style1
Style2
Style3
Style4
Style5
Style6
Style7
Style8

Text Color
As Broadcast
Black
Red
Green
Blue
Cyan
Magenta
Yellow
White

Text Opacity
As Broadcast
Solid
Translucent
Transparent

Edge Color
As Broadcast
Black
Red
Green
Blue
Cyan
Magenta
Yellow
White

Edge Type
As Broadcast
None
Raised
Depressed
Uniform
Shadowed

Windows Color
As Broadcast
Black
Red
Green
Blue
Cyan
Magenta
Yellow
White

Windows Opacity
As Broadcast
Solid
Translucent
Transparent

Background Color
As Broadcast
Black
Red
Green
Blue
Cyan
Magenta
Yellow
White

Background Opacity
As Broadcast
Solid
Translucent
Transparent

HAPPY!!!

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kurtcs

Nice, RHR! Just bought same as yours and will install in evening! Hope it's worth it!! Let y'all know how is it going!

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rhr

Don't buy it, it is big problem

1) ANALOG's CC (no function)), CC1, CC2, Mute only but no solid, it is very smooth, you can buy it

2) Digital (DTV & HDTV) only OTA, have more options already you saw messsage. it is very problem, not smooth, slow move up only 1 1/2 and 2 1/2,I want full 2 or 3 line

3) DVR-MS copy to DVD, MEPG, WMV etc.. won't work CC

you look more at Captioning & Sign Language Interpreter
http://www.alldeaf.com/captioning-sign-language-interpreter/

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kurtcs

RHR,

Thanks for telling me.. I'm not looking for burning to DVD.. Just wanted to have recorder.. whenever I get home from work or whatever and play from recorded.. And deleted it.. That's all I needed.. Anyway, I did buy ATI HDTV Wonder and been messing around for 2 days.. And I have to say overall is OK.. But I have few details about ATI HDTV Wonder with 3rd Party software (showing in blue...)

ATI Multimedia Center -
Pros:
Supported CC!
Able to watch with CC from recorded.

Cons:
No TV Guide.
Manual Schedule Recorder Time.
Only Pause.. Can't have forward from LiveTV.

SageTV and BeyondTV -
Pros:
TV Guide.
LiveTV playback.

Cons:
No CC Supported except PVR-250 or PVR-350 (Hauppauge) will work and BeyondTV isn't supported CC yet also..

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 -
Pros:
CC Supported
Able to watch with CC from recorded.
TV Guide (Ugly!).

Cons:
Must use MUTE to enable CC (Can't have that!)
Don't like the way CC looks such as showing: 567 lines instead of 789 lines.

That is all for now.. I can't think of anything else.. About to return the ATI HDTV Wonder unfortunately since there's NOTHING what I wanted for that kind of PVR.. So, whenever I have something in mind, I'll post for sure.. Sounds like there's only way to have TiVo??? But it sucks for not having own HTPC..

Kurt

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thank you for let me know, but I am not interest about SagaTV, Beyond, I interest MCE2005 becuase MCE2005 can more internet, RSS, TV, Games, more add-in, plug-ins more power on TV SagaTV, Beyond don't have add

DVR-MS can copy into Burn Data only yes work CC both Analog and Digital becuase DVR-MS is bulti-in CC, who aake programmer don't know about CC, they are hearing, they don't interest CC, sigh
maybe Vista will full CC, i am not sure see see becuase limit hardware for MCE2005

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kurtcs

I understand about alot of features with MCE2005.. But the question is.. how do you feel about CC? Does it looks funny to you, right? But still, you know I don't believe about CC which you gotta have to MUTE the MCE2005 that will show CC but what about my kids, they are hearings.. Think it's fair for not having sounds? Also, it's not that "eye-candy" on TV Guide made by MCE2005.. But I wonder is it possible to have TV Guide custom-made that comes from plug-in or add-in instead of using plain boring TV Guide by MCE2005?? Just wondering.. Hrmm..?

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okay, MCE2005 with TV but not monitor, I not read windows XP, Beyond, SegaTV. I can read MCE2005 on TV! I not use windows XP on TV, if upgrade, fix, I use remote desktop follow to MCE2005

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kurtcs

I understand.. What I'm trying to say is I don't like the way it looks on CC came from MCE2005 cuz it almost looks in center instead of bottom (standard CC).. Also, you said TV not monitor, of course, must use CC from MCE when using TV.. Otherwise, there'll be no CC.. And also, *PRESS MUTE* button from remote control to enable CC is dumbass!! All they needed is move CC lines from 567 to 789 and add feature for CC icon or whatever without require to press stupid MUTE!

Anyway, I wanted to make sure about my video card (ATI Radeon 9800 Pro).. I noticed anything play from my DVD movie or PVR output to TV, never showing in CC but there's only way to enable CC from DVD player software ie: PowerDVD or MCE2005.. I wonder anyone have Video Card output to TV without need to enable CC from software?

Cheers!

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rhr

Yeah, I already send to The Green Forums and AVS Forums, I want MCE2005 don't need CC program, I want out-TV and TV will work CC in bulti-in TV, because MCE2005 and other TV Tuner are filter

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kibby

Hello,

You can use CC without muting. Here's the procedure:

In MCE2005, go to Settings -> TV -> Audio -> Caption Display (set to: "On")

Cheers
Jason

rhr

yes, of Coruse, I know about Mute under Audio long time ago

see AllDeaf's Computer and Caption more about MCE2005

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kibby

I do know what you want. Let TV handle CC data, not MCE. This is design limitation by hardware on certain TV tuner chipsets. MCE 2005 isn't alone. Bell ExpressVU HD with/out PVR option does that too. Did you know that MCE 2005 uses DVD decoder to view live TV at real-time? This is exactly the reason why this part has to be processed from MCE side, not TV side.

Who knows if Windows Vista (it has MCE built-in) allows line-21 data be outputted to TV so TV will be able to decode CC. It's up to the programmers if they ever bother getting our dream to come true.

Right now, I've updated my MCE 2005 to "roll-up 2" via Windows Update in "Custom" section and the CC is different now. I have to search on net to find a way to tweak them. Background is now white colored and 90% transparent. I cannot read text unlike before.

With Vista coming out, HTPC concept may become common. That pretty sucks because I want them to keep dropping their jaws how cool MCE is! ;-)

rhr

you from Canada? Bell ExpressVU HD is Canada.
I have ATI HDTV Wonder (no PVR), they will work PVR!! becuase many TV Analog with PVR is not easy binary but spaical PVR for Analog only, all HDTV or DTV are binary easy into Hard Drive, I test ATI HDTV Wonder to H.D. it is working same like PVR!

maybe Vista will be good CC better than MCE2005, we will wait until end of Dec

Yes, TV/HDTV will work to DVD Decode but no CC
if you need CC, only save to "DVR-MS" Data file to burnDVD but not DVD

Would you read to message at www.thegreenbutton.com and www.avsforums.com try send them, becuase they don't care deaf people, because I already send them many but they know only me alone.. i need more deaf people write them, they will be suprise they will be promise but can't few people. search "Caption" from www.thegreenbutton.com and www.avsforums.com ok

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kibby

All TV tuner cards don't do PVR on their own; they are software dependent. You'll have to use a choice of software to do PVR: PowerCinema, Media Center Edition with DVD decoder, GB-PVR, SageTV, BeyondTV, WinTV-PVR, SnapStream Media, CTpvr, MediaPortal, etc.

Yes, I am from Canada. I'm surprised. There's no Bell in U.S.? Hmm...

There's a work-around for MS-DVR into DVD.. Rather a bad way. Hook up a DVD recorder set-top to MCE's video-out and record from there then burn on DVD.. Closed caption will be hardcoded onto video screen which you can't really turn off CC -- it's called open caption. I don't think that method is exactly what hearing people want to do. We're still asking MCE SVP people to make a conversion from MS-DVR to MPEG-2 or VOB with CC stream embedded which we can easily import them into our DVD authoring software to finalize a disc. They made DVR2WMV but that's not what I'm looking for...

rhr

USA have Cox, Castcom, Time Warner, DirectTV, Aplpha, more

another you read about problem MCE with CC

LIne is bad
http://www.alldeaf.com/captioning-sign-language-interpreter/21621-media-center-edition-2005-cc.html

DVR2WMV won't work CC
http://www.alldeaf.com/captioning-sign-language-interpreter/22812-media-center-edition-2005s-dvr2wma-wont-work-cc.html

DVR-MS copy to Burn DVD without .DVR-MS, won't work CC
http://www.alldeaf.com/captioning-sign-language-interpreter/22618-media-center-edition-2005-burndvd-wont-cc.html

Stephen Toub, he program MCE for CC
http://www.dotnetslackers.com/Web_Ap...aptioning.aspx
or
http://blogs.msdn.com/toub/archive/2...17/470491.aspx

copy .DVR-MS files to .DVR-MS files (burn DVD or Hard Disk) will work off or on CC use MCE or MultiPlayer 10 only
but
Copy .DVR-MS files to DVD (no files) won't work CC
Copy .DVR-MS files to WMV, MEPG2/4, AVI won't work CC

I wish
MCE's LiveTV output TV's CC (I don't need MCE's CC)
or
MCE LiveTV need backbround black and must full 21 lines, must move buttom near lsat screen

.DVR-MS copy DVDburn then another DVD Player can read CC
.DVR-MS copy AVI, MEPG2/4, MWV, can off or on CC on Windows Player, MCE, Windows Classic, ATI, etc..

I know many deaf people complaint for MCE2005

Would like we find more program for CC at website

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