shel90

And those are the ones who have truly suffered and those who really need our attention in changing the attitudes about deaf children in the educational system so this problem doesnt continue. Ignoring it by saying that many were successful doesnt help them at all. In fact, I think it makes it worse.

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kokonut

Um, saying "can't" and stating "disadvantages" are not necessarily one and the same thing. And it doesn't always mean it's a negative thing, too. Just that it's a fact in many cases.

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jillio

Exactly. And the sad fact of the matter is, there is more likelihood of a deaf child being one of the ones that you and I see on a daily basis than the poster child paraded in the media for advertising purposes. I understand that parents want everything to be the best for their child. But in order for that to happen, they have to consider all of the issues involved. Leading them to believe that this is just a matter of a child being able to hear better is misleading, and the kids are the ones who suffer.

jillio

So offer solutions to those disadvantages.

Hohtopics

Cochlear implants were as good 40, 50 or 60 years ago as they are now? Even the BTE's weren't as good back then.

Hohtopics

posts from hell

lol........................................... some things never will change.

Hohtopics

It's you that's always saying that those that are not taking the Deaf route are the ones that's going to fail. So, where's yours?

posts from hell

I doubt she implies that they would fail.

Hohtopics

I'm deaf. I was born deaf. And I'm another that don't agree with you and...?

deafskeptic

The first people to use CIs was back in 1961 so they weren't invented 60 years ago.

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Calums mum

You talk that much psychobabble that I'm not even sure what they're agreeing or disagreeing with.

I don't think my son's experience will be any different because he has a CI. I KNOW my son's experience will be different as I will ensure that he has the ability to communicate with his peers; he will be able to tell me his concerns and know that he will be listened to; he will get the educational support that he needs; he will interact with other deaf children and adults as well as hearings children and adults; he will get EARLY access to sound and intervention, not when he is 4 or 9 as others posters have mentioned; he will have understanding parents that give him the confidence to be a deaf person who can hear, I could go on all night but I have better things to do.

You are so negative that I know that you're never going to agree that I'm doing a damn fine job with my child, the plans I have for him and will continue to do a damn fine job into his future.

A lot of people have psychological issues, not just deaf people. I think that if you want to offer advice, which you clearly do, you should be giving practical, helpful, positive advice, not telling them to 'be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual'.

TXgolfer

yahtzee! And double yahtzee! Some people see making a differnt choice as an attack on their choice. Sad

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TXgolfer

It's actually Gloom 2.0. Doom was already taken

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sallylou

People need a place to belong--to be with other people like themselves. Allow Deaf people to be with other Deaf people. It's not rejection of hearing people. It's having the security of a true peer group.

When I started going deaf, I searched for people who had the same experience. These people truly understand what it's like to lose hearing. I don't reject hearing people. I just need some time with people like me. I feel a special affinity with the Deaf/HOH community. I don't have to pick between the Deaf world versus the hearing world. I'm the bridge between them.

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Beach girl

"People like themselves" is such a huge, huge territory. "Like themselves" in intelligence, education, religion (or lack of, depending), cultural background, hobbies and interests, general age group, all sorts of things. Hearing ability is one thing of many.

Calum's mom has already said she is aware of that and will be providing that.

sallylou

Hearing status is only one thing but it's a huge thing.

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jillio

Now there's an intelligent response. And one that shows, without a shadow of a doubt, that hearing better does not remove the psychosocial issues associated with deafness.

jillio

Then why identify yourself as HOH?

jillio

Get back to me on that one in say, 15 years. Or, better yet, let's talk to your son about it in say, 15 years.

Babyblue

I identify myself as a HOH person too. I use ASL and respect the Deaf culture and I join them and socialize with them.. What is wrong with Identifying yourself as HOH??

Whay psychosocial issues we have since we use Hearing aids??

jillio

Not a thing. Just be consistent, and don't say "I'm deaf" when you find it convenient. And the difference being, between you and the poster to whom I was replying was the fact that you do respect the Deaf culture and use ASL.

You are again equating psychosocial issues with the level of hearing. That is not the point.

Calums mum

So what exactly am I doing wrong in your eyes? Please no psycho babble, just plain straight forward English please.

shel90

That is the big concern for children who are implanted. That the idea that they wont need to meet Deaf/deaf people and wont be allowed to be exposed to ASL for fear that they wont learn to "listen" and "speak" although with ASL, one still "listens" and "speaks" anyway.

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shel90

You cant deny the fact that so many deaf/hoh do want to meet others like them...it is evidence in many of the introductary threads by new members. They want to meet others like them.

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Babyblue

I am asking you then? If you think I am implying the wrong issues. What psycohosocial issues are you speaking of??

shel90

Saying that your son wont be like any other deaf people..that has been said by so many parents, including mine and as a result, most of us end up with similiar experiences with our deafness or hearing loss both in the educational setting and in society.

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Beach girl

Sure, I don't disagree. I'm here myself because I wanted to get ideas from others with hearing loss. I came here because I was googling about "best cell-phone for hearing impaired" and up popped a link to a comment in one of the forums here. It's been interesting. (Although I still haven't bought a new cell-phone...)

My point is just that there seems to be this fear that Calum's mom won't provide that, when she has explicitly stated that she will, from the very beginning. (Sorry, "Calum's mom, to be talking about you in the 3rd person.) She has already thought about a lot of things, has Plan A already in operation, has a back-up Plan B in mind, has a family that is united in providing Calum both BSL and spoken language (assuming the CI will work).

And then Jillio gets on her high horse and wants to say Calum's mom is doing it wrong. Jillio raised her son without hearing aids and without a CI. If he's happy, I'm glad for him. Calum is going to be following a different path. Like everyone in life, there will come a time when he can decide for himself what he will do. Maybe he'll continue to use his CI, maybe he'll opt for something else, be it better technology or no technology.

In the meantime, looks to me like he has a loving family who is doing their very best by him, giving him the opportunity to be exposed to sound and to BSL both, and to eventually be equipped to make meaningful choices for himself.

shel90

I dont know how it got started with Jillio but I suspect it got started with the wording used in the article that was misleading and things went downhill from there. The article didnt really help a lot of us who use ASL, dont have CIs, and have suffered at the expense of needing to be able to "hear" with our ears instead of our eyes.

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Calums mum

He will be like other deaf people in the fact that he will be deaf. However, he won't have the same education, or parents not taking note of what he wants, as the other peoples experiences on here, seem to be. That is what I meant, which was quite clear in my post. Please read my actual words not the words you wanted me to say so you could slate me.