kokonut

It has. I've personally seen it. It was simply amazing on how they interacted with their hearing (and deaf) peers in a variety of social settings. The difference was that the people I saw were implanted very, very early. Certainly, adjustments were made but in no way are they seen as "damaged goods."

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Babyblue

Horrible for anyone to view a child as damaged goods.

shel90

Still seeing numerous of children with CIs who are still getting referred to our program after falling behind their peers in the mainstreamed setting. That is why I am not fond of mainstreaming without any visual support.

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jillio

Where did you purchase that crystal ball of yours?

Even with all of his mum's "plans", she is leaving out consideration of the very things that create the problems for deaf kids.

jillio

You are confused about the topic of psychosocial development as well. As usual.

Who has used the words "damaged goods" but you? Says a lot about your perspective.

Beach girl

What do you think she's leaving out? She specifically mentioned having appropriate teachers of the deaf, having deaf children among his social group, having all sorts of support.

Where did you purchase YOUR crystal ball that seems to have the gloom and doom version installed?

kokonut

Yes, quite sad to see that, and I've witnessed how some people see them as just that only because they have CIs. Note I said in quotes, "damaged goods" and that is because of the lack of a better word in what I was trying to express.

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kokonut

That's her nature.

*shrugs*

Such a negative outlook. Always gloomy.

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jillio

No one has said it is.

Frisky Feline

I am curious as to why some children with CIs who are doing great while other children with CIs are struggling. Does it have something with how their intelligences result?

Babyblue

I agree they still need visual support.

shel90

Really? Pot meets kettle.

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Were you a deaf child?

kokonut

I'd say let them speak for themselves.

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jillio

I don't use a crystal ball. I use research, I use evidence arrived at in assisting children who have been implanted and placed in an oral environment deal with their psychosocial adjustment issues, evidence obtained from mental health experts who have worked with the D/deaf for many,many years, knowledge of psychosocial development and the ways in which it occurs and how deafness impacts that progression, etc. etc. etc. In other words, I use knowledge and fact, you use emotion and a need to project your issues onto a a topic where they don't apply.

Calums mum

So what would your solution be then jillio to resolve all the psychosocial effects of children born deaf?

90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. These parents need confidence to raise their children, not being told that we're going to screw them up, unless we make decisions that fit in with your way of seeing things. No matter what anyone says on here it seems that you can only see your point of view, even when someone who is deaf is telling you they don't agree with you.

You seem to be saying that if I give my child CI's and put him in a mainstream school, no matter what other support there is, the likelihood is he's going to resent me for it, not do well educationally and have psychological issues growing up. I really hope that you don't work with other parents like me, as this attitude is no help at all.

Beach girl

No. (to the question "Were you a deaf child?")

jillio

That is the whole point. And not just visual support for communication, but the need for belonging that comes from interaction with others "just like them."

kokonut

Yes, really. I believe there are those who have done really well. Do you?

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shel90

Not what I was saying. You missed my point. You say Jillio is so negative...ok if she is so negative then what's so positive about your thread about disadvantages of being deaf? Isnt that on a negative note?

If you are going to criticize someone for being negative, then maybe you should practice what you preach. Just sayin'

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Beach girl

Nail, head, bang, as they say. Per the bolded bit, you got it.

kokonut

The key is parental support. I was given a hearing aid at age 2 and never resented my parents decision. It was a boon to my overall positive development. They made the right decision only because my mother had to inform herself everything about deafness, hearing aids, the education and so forth at a time when the internet never existed.

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shel90

If you allow your child to learn BSL and interact with other deaf children, then you are giving him opportunities to both worlds instead of just restricting him to the hearing world. You say that you are using BSL with him and had him meet other deaf children, right?

Many of us are concerned about the idea that if a child is implanted, they wont need additional support being mainstreamed and that continues to be a big problem for many children and we dont want that.

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jillio

I didn't say anthing about resentment, although it is possible. It has occurred many times prior.

The best way to prevent the delays in psychosocial development and successful resolution of the various tasks in the stages is to be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual. Be aware....listen to what deaf people tell you about their experiences as a deaf child. Stop trying to find differences between their experience and the one you believe your son will have just because he has a CI. The CI is the only difference. And it is not a big enough difference to do away with all of the sameness in experience.

The only ones that are saying I am wrong is a late deafened HOH woman who has no idea what it is to be a deaf child or how that deafness impacts the developmental tasks I am referring to, and an HOH man who has strived all of his life to be as hearing as he possibly can be. The D/deaf agree with me. There is a reason for that.

jillio

And still you exhibit many of the issues I am referring to.

jillio

And there are more that can't be held up as that poster child you worship.

kokonut

Stating the disadvantages does not necessarily mean it's on a negative note. Nothing gloomy about it, either. I've already said that there are disadvantages and advantages on being hearing, deaf, hoh, and Deaf. And pointing out the disadvantages on being deaf was the topic of my thread hoping to see what people say about those disadvantages .

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jillio

Actually, I do work with parents like calum's mum, and am quite successful at doing so. I also work with children whose parent's attitudes are much closer to your own, and their children are very grateful that I am there for them, as their parents have exhibited such a lack of empathy and understanding all of their lives that they have the need to see a professional to counteract the negative effects such attiudes have created for them.

Stick to the issues of the late deafnened. That is what you know. And those issues are worlds away from the developmental issues concerning deaf infants and children, not to mention adolescents. Your continual need to discount the special issues surrounding these children is indicative of nothing more that extreme self centeredness and a need to believe that becuase it has been your experience, it is the experience of all.

jillio

Yeah, we know. Stop with the self promotion.

shel90

It is still about "can't" which is negative itself.

No need to justify your thread. YOu are entitled to create it and I dont have a problem with it personally. My problem is when one criticizes someone as being this way when they have done the same.

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