Only a Quarter of Parents to Deaf Kids Know Sign Language - Page 8

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:31 PM

newspeak. oldspeak. I love it. it's awesomely creative but I digress.... this thread is about ASL, not English.

**Banjo** · 09-30-2010, 12:31 PM

Keep in mind that these novelists and playwrights did not write their stories in ASL. Just as ASL storytellers didn't write their stories in English. People can translate them either ways, but the best way is always to hear or see them in its original form.

I've read several of these famous plays and novels in the past. Shakespeare's works are incredibly expressive. Orwell's works, especially 1984 is pretty bleak and politically-fuelled. So was Animal Farm, I remember reading that novel as if it was yesterday. Too bad the movies based on that particular novel are poorly adapted.

Fahrenheit 451 is a great read, just a tad too many metaphors though... regardless... it's worth a read. The film adaptation was awful though. I can see a great movie being made out of it, but they just haven't done it yet.

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

Never read shakespeare.

how come?

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

how come?

LD classes don't teach it. But I wouldn't understand a single thing anway. I tried.. but it doesn't make sense at all. Cliff notes come very handy.

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

LD classes don't teach it.

but you can read it yourself.... which is what I did.

public library. use it. and it's free. doubleplusgood!

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

LD classes don't teach it. But I wouldn't understand a single thing anway. I tried.. but it doesn't make sense at all. Cliff notes come very handy.

oh I see. yea Shakespeare stories are hard to read. old English style. frustrated the crap out of me in school.

"But, for my own part, it was Greek to me."

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 12:39 PM

I'm terrible at poems. Throw me any poetry and I have no idea what you are talking about.

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

I'm terrible at poems. Throw me any poetry and I have no idea what you are talking about.

how bad is your LD?

and I assume anything abstract is your weakness? or is it writing style?

**Banjo** · 09-30-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

I'm terrible at poems. Throw me any poetry and I have no idea what you are talking about.

World is vast and wide.
So much out there to explore.
Right now, let's eat lunch.

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 12:46 PM

Just English.

No learning disability if that's what you are asking. It's my cognitive skills, hence why Shel keep saying ASL is important.

My abstract is just fine. In fact, when bott had a picture of a lizard in her Avatar at one time, I noticed it is a ear and hearing aid.

09-30-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

World is vast and wide.
So much out there to explore.
Right now, let's eat lunch.

arent poems suppost to rhyme?

Sometimes I am a poet
but I didn't even know it.

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

Just English.

No learning disability if that's what you are asking. It's my cognitive skills, hence why Shel keep saying ASL is important.

My abstract is just fine. In fact, when bott had a picture of a lizard in her Avatar at one time, I noticed it is a ear and hearing aid.

**Banjo** · 09-30-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

arent poems suppost to rhyme?

Sometimes I am a poet
but I didn't even know it.

Actually, it's Haiku, a form of Japanese poetry. Rhyming is not a requirement in writing Haiku poetry, but it can be used if you want to.

**Jiro** · 09-30-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

arent poems suppost to rhyme?

Sometimes I am a poet
but I didn't even know it.

no. there are several styles. what you're referring to is called stanza. or couplets. or something.

I think my favorite poetry style is Meter.

Tousi · 09-30-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. there are several styles. what you're referring to is called stanza. or couplets. or something.

I think my favorite poetry style is Meter.

Hmmm, metric...interesting.

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 01:03 PM

There is one poem I do understand "what is it like to be deaf" even the fishbowl part.

**Bottesini** · 09-30-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

sign very young horse and 1 years old? and most deaf would just fingerspell it.

btw, are yearling like toddlers?

you have infant, toddlers, school age (kindergarten, 1st...) , preteen, teenager, young adult, man, woman, mother, father, husband wife etc.

of course, teenage boy sound juvenile.. is there a word for "teenage boy"

"Teen" Letter "T" place first at jaw and then at temple. That is female and male teenager.

Kind of an easy one. If you are such a big ASL advocate, you should get out there and start learning the signs instead of just telling everyone here how important it isl

If you don't learn it and use it, you have no idea what you are talking about.

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 01:40 PM

I'm talking about English word for teenage boy.

remember, I do have a sister who use ASL and nephew.

**GrendelQ** · 09-30-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

I don't know why you had to bring it in. If you want in depth, then go learn it.

I know about being visual. It is not meaningless. I even use drawing for more complex issues.

I'm trying to explain that I'm not satisfied with knowing toddler-level ASL and I want to learn the language fully and deeply in the way that I love exploring and using the power of English to bring to life ideas, concepts. I gave the link to how ASL has taken on one of Shakespeare's plays and explained that I wanted that level of knowledge, I wanted to sign to my child with that amount of richness and color, not the drab prek level I currently know.

You and others were arguing that I should be satisfied with the little bit I know, that my daughter doesn't need more than that. And I think she does. I can provide deep language to her in English, but I want her to feel the power of ASL in the same way that I feel English. It's not fair that she experiences such a limited view of ASL: I can guarantee you she'll turn away from it unless I support it at home as well as in her school. When she tells me her dreams in the morning, she races to pop on her CIs so she can speak what happened. I want us both to have the language so she can start signing her dreams right then and there.

Words can be very visual. But there are times in your life when you might reject something, reading Shakespeare's plays, for example, but then you may find other points when they fit perfectly in your life. And Shakespeare's plays are not meant to be read, they are meant to be told, watched, and laughed at, and cried at, and yelled at. See an interpreted version if you can, I think it would blow your mind to see the dusty pages you struggled with come to life in front of you. You don't have to read it. I drag myself reluctantly through plays myself bc the stage directions all break the story for me, I much prefer to see plays acted.

**Bottesini** · 09-30-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

I'm talking about English word.

remember, I do have a sister who use ASL and nephew.

I also see you saying, you would volunteer to teach ASL in the schools if you knew it.

So learn it and go teach if you think that is what should be done.

By the way, one of my grandfathers was a minor league ball player. That doesn't tell anything about my batting ability.

deafgal001 · 09-30-2010, 01:46 PM

you tell me to get out there, I am. I am past ASL 1 level.. just working with my son to learn it and making sure I don't forget.

**GrendelQ** · 09-30-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

By the way, one of my grandfathers was a minor league ball player. That doesn't tell anything about my batting ability.

You never know until you try

Bottesini Up!

**Bottesini** · 09-30-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

You never know until you try

Bottesini Up!

AlleyCat · 09-30-2010, 04:15 PM

One of the things I've been thinking about is that I know of only a handful of deaf posters' situations here (e.g. when they became deaf, their childhood, etc.) so I don't know what the percentages are on this board as to how many are prelinguallly or early deafened versus those who became deaf later in life. I think a good number of us who are early/prelingually deafened are in our 30's and up in terms of age. Me being 40, I learned all my ASL via teachers and school. There were no resources back in the 60's and 70's in terms of online resources or DVDs or even VHS. I think VCRs didn't even come out until the early 80's, thereabouts? So we learned it all through our TODs. Our parents learned either from us, or taking sign language classes, or from a book. The JOY of Signing was a popular one (and probably one of the few back then).

jazzy · 09-30-2010, 04:32 PM

My mom knew ASL and worked with deaf people for 10 years so I guess I am most lucky than most. ?So was my siblings knew ASL but I have not see them for awhile and they get rusty. As for my hearing husband, he learned all in 3 months (both sign and read) from me and my deaf and hoh friends. Then he and I created our own secret sign language so no one else can read us. Now everyone know our own secret sign. I gave up. Once my sister invented one sign by called me brat then I used it to others then all others still use this sign to this day. Amazed one can invent one sign then all others follow it. If my mom can do it then all other parents can do it, no excuse for not wanting to learn how to sign to their deaf child.

**shel90** · 09-30-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Do you use both equally at home?

I use ASL all the time at home. I was referring whenever I am with my hubby's family or my extended family. After a while, not using ASL is so tiring because I have to work at communicating with everyone. Like I said, spoken English is not fully accessible nor natural to me like ASL is.

**shel90** · 09-30-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Who is saying its time to stop? Or "if you don't want to use ASL" -- are you referring to someone you know who doesn't? Or to me, bc I'm looking for advancement, not stopping. Knock that chip off your shoulder and READ carefully what I'm posting here: I'm asking for advice from this community, from people who have learned ASL, teach it, or whose families have found a way to learn, for ways they found to really do it (and what NOT to do) , not for how to start doing it or how to dabble in it, but how to make the language acquisition deep and meaningful and thorough enough to really make a difference in my child's life.

I'm recognizing a sudden shift in where her learning is advancing, and diagnosing that as resulting from where we, her parents are stronger (English vs. ASL) rather than what others might see as her own preference for English over ASL. If I'm shifting to telling a story in English because I know the words for stallion, mare, colt, foal, seafoam, allosaurus, etc. in English and can only dumb it down to daddy horse, mama horse, baby horse, splash water, fat dinosaur in ASL, she's going to pick up on that in a way that might not be conducive to appreciating both languages equally, and her ASL vocabulary will not grow as rapidly as her English vocabulary is.

I see this happening, but it was not our intention to shift from ASL as primary to English as primary as is occurring, and I'm looking to maintain her ASL development in the home. How is it lazy to be assessing this, and, in addition to continuing formal classes, to look to people who have learned the language for practical advice on how they did it?

Deaf parents of deaf children use the sandwich method to expose their children to these words..all thru ASL.

**shel90** · 09-30-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

My mom knew ASL and worked with deaf people for 10 years so I guess I am most lucky than most. ?So was my siblings knew ASL but I have not see them for awhile and they get rusty. As for my hearing husband, he learned all in 3 months (both sign and read) from me and my deaf and hoh friends. Then he and I created our own secret sign language so no one else can read us. Now everyone know our own secret sign. I gave up. Once my sister invented one sign by called me brat then I used it to others then all others still use this sign to this day. Amazed one can invent one sign then all others follow it. If my mom can do it then all other parents can do it, no excuse for not wanting to learn how to sign to their deaf child.

I am wondering if the excuse is due to fears that ASL will limit their children?

**Oddball** · 09-30-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Yet you defend the parents who dont speak or sign to their deaf child here...

I don't get it.

Me too.. I don't get it.

**Oddball** · 09-30-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

I do not find it acceptable that a child knows more language than the parents. The parent needs to be able to completely understand their child and communicate fluently...UNACCEPTABLE.

So? I have seen some children are smarter than their own parents. Why do not you find it acceptable that a child knows more language than the parents? Maybe you have some fears that your child may be smarter than you (or I say, smart ass?)

Jiro is right about children of immigrant parents are smarter when it come to education. Their parents worked so hard to get them better lives here in US and education.

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deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	you tell me to get out there, I am. I am past ASL 1 level.. just working with my son to learn it and making sure I don't forget. Last edited by deafgal001; 09-30-2010 at 02:19 PM.

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jazzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: High desert in Calif Posts: 4,208	My mom knew ASL and worked with deaf people for 10 years so I guess I am most lucky than most. ?So was my siblings knew ASL but I have not see them for awhile and they get rusty. As for my hearing husband, he learned all in 3 months (both sign and read) from me and my deaf and hoh friends. Then he and I created our own secret sign language so no one else can read us. Now everyone know our own secret sign. I gave up. Once my sister invented one sign by called me brat then I used it to others then all others still use this sign to this day. Amazed one can invent one sign then all others follow it. If my mom can do it then all other parents can do it, no excuse for not wanting to learn how to sign to their deaf child. __________________

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09-30-2010, 12:31 PM	#212 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Keep in mind that these novelists and playwrights did not write their stories in ASL. Just as ASL storytellers didn't write their stories in English. People can translate them either ways, but the best way is always to hear or see them in its original form. I've read several of these famous plays and novels in the past. Shakespeare's works are incredibly expressive. Orwell's works, especially 1984 is pretty bleak and politically-fuelled. So was Animal Farm, I remember reading that novel as if it was yesterday. Too bad the movies based on that particular novel are poorly adapted. Fahrenheit 451 is a great read, just a tad too many metaphors though... regardless... it's worth a read. The film adaptation was awful though. I can see a great movie being made out of it, but they just haven't done it yet.

09-30-2010, 12:39 PM	#217 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	I'm terrible at poems. Throw me any poetry and I have no idea what you are talking about.

09-30-2010, 12:46 PM	#220 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	Just English. No learning disability if that's what you are asking. It's my cognitive skills, hence why Shel keep saying ASL is important. My abstract is just fine. In fact, when bott had a picture of a lizard in her Avatar at one time, I noticed it is a ear and hearing aid.

09-30-2010, 01:03 PM	#226 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	There is one poem I do understand "what is it like to be deaf" even the fishbowl part.

09-30-2010, 01:40 PM	#228 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	I'm talking about English word for teenage boy. remember, I do have a sister who use ASL and nephew.

09-30-2010, 04:15 PM	#234 (permalink)
AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,830	One of the things I've been thinking about is that I know of only a handful of deaf posters' situations here (e.g. when they became deaf, their childhood, etc.) so I don't know what the percentages are on this board as to how many are prelinguallly or early deafened versus those who became deaf later in life. I think a good number of us who are early/prelingually deafened are in our 30's and up in terms of age. Me being 40, I learned all my ASL via teachers and school. There were no resources back in the 60's and 70's in terms of online resources or DVDs or even VHS. I think VCRs didn't even come out until the early 80's, thereabouts? So we learned it all through our TODs. Our parents learned either from us, or taking sign language classes, or from a book. The JOY of Signing was a popular one (and probably one of the few back then).