The Last Stand for the Deaf in California - Page 4

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:05 AM

Tidbits of info are buried. You'd have to dig around and find them and make use of them in some form.

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Bad seeds? Then that would mean those school would get about 80 to 90 percent of the "bad seeds" enough to pull down the scores?? That'd be getting a bit farfetched there. I still want to see the data (if any) on statistics and demographics. More details are needed.

Looks about right, sadly.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Its quite apparent that you haven't spent a semester or so at a deaf school.
The bad seeds I am speaking of is these "trouble kids", these with multiple disabilities, or severely mentally challenged.

I'm interested in hard data. What's the make up of those types of kids compared to those with just a hearing loss as their only disability?

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I'm interested in hard data. What's the make up of those types of kids compared to those with just a hearing loss as their only disability?

FOIA it then.

**Banjo** · 08-26-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Its quite apparent that you haven't spent a semester or so at a deaf school.

The bad seeds I am speaking of is these "trouble kids", these with multiple disabilities, or severely mentally challenged.

*nodding*

I have seen enough to know it's true. Basically, they treat these schools as if they are the dumping grounds for the students with problems.

Frisky Feline · 08-26-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Its quite apparent that you haven't spent a semester or so at a deaf school.
The bad seeds I am speaking of is these "trouble kids", these with multiple disabilities, or severely mentally challenged.

I believe he have, but during college time, where the bad seeds are on the side. I agree what you just said about the bad seeds that I have been growing with. I have seen enough.

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:14 AM

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I believe he have, but during college time, where the bad seeds are on the side. I agree what you just said about the bad seeds that I have been growing with. I have seen enough.

Yeah, he went to Gallaudet. I don't think he went to a deaf school for k-12 education.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:17 AM

Data, please. FOIA is a good idea though these are state schools, not at the federal level.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Yeah, he went to Gallaudet. I don't think he went to a deaf school for k-12 education.

Never went to a deaf school. Thank god. I just went to Gallaudet University. Even then I noticed a good percentage of new students had to take English 50or other higher up remedial courses where a majority of them did not have additional disabilities.

I'm sure you'd see a similar pattern except that entrance requirements have become a bit more stricter.

Frisky Feline · 08-26-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Yeah, he went to Gallaudet. I don't think he went to a deaf school for k-12 education.

Right on, not K-12 education.

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Data, please. FOIA is a good idea though these are state schools, not at the federal level.

Are you gonna ask around to get data?

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 10:23 AM

A lot of times, data doesn't explain the real-life reasons why things happen....

**deafskeptic** · 08-26-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

*nodding*

I have seen enough to know it's true. Basically, they treat these schools as if they are the dumping grounds for the students with problems.

I've seen that too at both VSDB in Staunton and MSSD as well.

In Virgina, it'd be the Hampton school for the Deaf that'd be the dumping ground. It was the Black school for the Deaf some 40 odd years ago, hence why we have two VSDBs in Virgina. It's nicknamed Hampton for the Deaf because it's in Hampton. Now it's the place for deaf students with multiple problems and disabilities.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:24 AM

With CSD schools' scores continually in the tank and budget woes of California, does it not make them vulnerable?

**TXgolfer** · 08-26-2010, 10:25 AM

Rather than argue about the cause.....why not agree there are many problems and start talking solutions?????

**Banjo** · 08-26-2010, 10:27 AM

I made the choice to attend a school for the deaf. My parents asked me if I wanted to attend a school for the deaf and I said yes.

Despite the problems they had at the school, I don't regret my decision one bit. People are being puerile by being thankful for something they never experienced.

**deafskeptic** · 08-26-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

I made the choice to attend a school for the deaf. My parents asked me if I wanted to attend a school for the deaf and I said yes.

Despite the problems they had at the school, I don't regret my decision one bit. People are being puerile by being thankful for something they never experienced.

I think most would feel the same way.

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

With CSD schools' scores continually in the tank and budget woes of California, does it not make them vulnerable?

I hang out with Deaf people that graduated from Fremont on a regular basis across the country and I can say this with confidence - They're not vulnerable.

**Banjo** · 08-26-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Rather than argue about the cause.....why not agree there are many problems and start talking solutions?????

There's one solution... get the parents to work on the language development within the first five years before they are enrolled into a program.

However, only the parents can make that decision. If they fail to, then the taxpayers are forced to pay to fix the "problem" that may never be fixed.

By the time a child is 8, if the child has little or no confidence in reading... the child is more than likely to be doomed for the rest of its life.

**Banjo** · 08-26-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

A lot of times, data doesn't explain the real-life reasons why things happen....

Valid point.

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I've seen that too at both VSDB in Staunton and MSSD as well.

In Virgina, it'd be the Hampton school for the Deaf that'd be the dumping ground. It was the Black school for the Deaf some 40 odd years ago, hence why we have two VSDBs in Virgina. It's nicknamed Hampton for the Deaf because it's in Hampton. Now it's the place for deaf students with multiple problems and disabilities.

So maybe that's why so many folks think the end-products from manstream schools are superior? Something's gotta give somewhere....

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

So maybe that's why so many folks think the end-products from manstream schools are superior? Something's gotta give somewhere....

But in the mainstream theres a ton of issues as well. A friend of mine had to teach a high school senior what the word "Improve" meant last spring.

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

There's one solution... get the parents to work on the language development within the first five years before they are enrolled into a program.

However, only the parents can make that decision. If they fail to, then the taxpayers are forced to pay to fix the "problem" that may never be fixed.

By the time a child is 8, if the child has little or no confidence in reading... the child is more than likely to be doomed for the rest of its life.

Nice but in reality, if the school is a dumping ground, then their students will come with a range of issues like bad family dynamics, are less educable, ad nauseam.....

posts from hell · 08-26-2010, 10:35 AM

I made this video a while ago... May as well share it because I share the same thing in this thread.

YouTube - Deaf Think Tank Team Introduction

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I hang out with Deaf people that graduated from Fremont on a regular basis across the country and I can say this with confidence - They're not vulnerable.

Not the students but the factors today that make the schools vulnerable to cuts and such.

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

But in the mainstream theres a ton of issues as well. A friend of mine had to teach a high school senior what the word "Improve" meant last spring.

I know but something has to give somewhere to make the wider picture fit...dumping ground schools and their Star scores, etc etc.....complicated

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I made this video a while ago... May as well share it because I share the same thing in this thread.
YouTube - Deaf Think Tank Team Introduction

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faire_jour · 08-26-2010, 10:38 AM

Wirelessly posted

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Originally Posted by Banjo

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Its quite apparent that you haven't spent a semester or so at a deaf school.

The bad seeds I am speaking of is these "trouble kids", these with multiple disabilities, or severely mentally challenged.

*nodding*

I have seen enough to know it's true. Basically, they treat these schools as if they are the dumping grounds for the students with problems.

it is true that deaf schools have kids with other disabilities, but that is not the majority of students in california. Plus, those kid's don't test (they are exempted) so they aren't pulling the averages down.

**Banjo** · 08-26-2010, 10:41 AM

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Wirelessly posted

it is true that deaf schools have kids with other disabilities, but that is not the majority of students in california. Plus, those kid's don't test (they are exempted) so they aren't pulling the averages down.

Who are you referring to? The students who are mentally challenged?

**deafskeptic** · 08-26-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

But in the mainstream theres a ton of issues as well. A friend of mine had to teach a high school senior what the word "Improve" meant last spring.

I remember having to explain the meaning of lurid in my graphic design class. I did a tabloid that was a parody of the Weekly World News. It was called The Lurid News Weekly.

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Data, please. FOIA is a good idea though these are state schools, not at the federal level. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	With CSD schools' scores continually in the tank and budget woes of California, does it not make them vulnerable? __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,733	A lot of times, data doesn't explain the real-life reasons why things happen....

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Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	I made the choice to attend a school for the deaf. My parents asked me if I wanted to attend a school for the deaf and I said yes. Despite the problems they had at the school, I don't regret my decision one bit. People are being puerile by being thankful for something they never experienced.