Parents want hearing school to get state funding - Page 17

**Daredevel7** · 07-01-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes it's illegal for unlicensed person to do the profession that requires license. The "house" is registered with Nevada government and the "escorts" are required to be licensed. To do the "service" with no license.... the manager of the "house" would be fined and even get shut down for good.

But that's conducting business on business grounds. I'm talking about at any time.

**shel90** · 07-01-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

that's what i am wondering if the student teachers are allowed to authorize it such as contacting with IEP and get involved with children's future as well as discussing with the children of parents. I dont know if they allow to do that while they are not licensed and without the licensed teachers being presence.

No, student teachers are not authorized to write IEPs but they can sit at IEP meetings under the supervision of a licensed teacher. As for giving their input at the meetings, it all depends on the school and the parents but one thing is for sure, that the student teacher's role must be made clear at the IEP meetings. If they are presented as teachers, then it may be under false pretenses.

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

So she can say "I can cut your hair for $20, but Im not licensed. Deal?" and it's still legal?

Sure, because the person agreeing to let her cut their hair knows that she is not licensed and they accept the risk. Of course, they can't turn around and sue her because they got a bad haircut, either. People are licensed because they are providing a service that comes with signigicant liability.

**Reba** · 07-01-2010, 04:01 PM

As an example:

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To be eligible for a professional certificate, PACE candidates will successfully complete requirements as follows.

2. Candidates will complete three successful years of teaching in a South Carolina public school including successful completion of the Assisting, Developing, and Evaluating Professional Teaching (ADEPT) process. This will include successful participation in an induction program that includes a mentoring program, successful completion of the formal evaluation process, and a successful formal or informal evaluation during the final year of program participation. Consistent with the ADEPT regulation (R. 43-205.1), a candidate must not receive a continuing contract until he or she has completed all PACE requirements and is eligible to advance to professional certification.

3. Candidates will successfully complete three courses from the list of core courses approved by the Division of Educator Quality and Leadership on behalf of the State Board of Education. Courses identified for individual teachers will be based on the individual's experience, knowledge, and skills.

The three required courses must be completed for college credit with an assigned grade of B or better. Courses must be completed at a South Carolina institution with a teacher education program approved by the State Board of Education for certification purposes. Eligible participants may request approval of courses from other regionally accredited colleges or universities provided the coursework is at the graduate level. However, no more than one of the courses (three semester hours) can be designated as a Professional Development (PD) course. Only the PD course could be completed as pass/fail.

4. Candidates will earn a passing score on the appropriate level of the pedagogy Praxis II examination, Principles of Learning and Teaching (PLT), prior to advancing to the professional certificate.

PACE Guidelines

Frisky Feline · 07-01-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

No, student teachers are not authorized to write IEPs but they can sit at IEP meetings under the supervision of a licensed teacher. As for giving their input at the meetings, it all depends on the school and the parents but one thing is for sure, that the student teacher's role must be made clear at the IEP meetings. If they are presented as teachers, then it may be under false pretenses.

Thank you.

**shel90** · 07-01-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

So she can say "I can cut your hair for $20, but Im not licensed. Deal?" and it's still legal?

I think so..I am not familiar with hairdressers but as long as the customers arent getting their haircut under false pretenses, then I think it is ok. If one tells their customers that they are licensed, it is unethical but illegal? I have no idea.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

But that's conducting business on business grounds. I'm talking about at any time.

well it's an illegal activity anyway outside the business

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I think so..I am not familiar with hairdressers but as long as the customers arent getting their haircut under false premises, then I think it is ok. If one tells their customers that they are licensed, it is unethical but illegal? I have no idea.

Yep. It is illegal, too. Taking money under false pretenses.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

However, if an engineer doesnt get a license, will he/she get fired from his/her job?

I will get fired if I dont renew my certification every 5 years.

Can doctors practice when their license are suspended? No, because the of the laws.

I dont know about engineering so can you clarify what the laws are for engineering? Can an engineer practice without a license?

if the engineers work for government or public service, yes they are required to have a license called Professional Engineering. Same for architects. You will get PE prefix to your name for engineering and RA for architecture.

**Reba** · 07-01-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Interesting. I guess I'm kinda fuzzy on this because I doubt it's illegal for an unlicensed person to practice professions that require to be licensed. For example, a woman who isn't licensed does hairdressing out of her own house for family and friends. I was just curious at what point does it become illegal? When it becomes a business? or when it is conducted on business grounds?

Thanks for putting up with my questions...

I don't want to further derail this thread, so you might want to look at these FAQs. You might be surprised at how much is involved.

South Carolina Department of Labor, Licensing and Regulation

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

if the engineers work for government or public service, yes they are required to have a license called Professional Engineering. Same for architects. You will get PE prefix to your name for engineering and RA for architecture.

Because of professional liability issues.

**Daredevel7** · 07-01-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

if the engineers work for government or public service, yes they are required to have a license called Professional Engineering. Same for architects. You will get PE prefix to your name for engineering and RA for architecture.

That is incorrect. Working for the government automatically does not require a PE, only the TYPE of work they do. Architects or civil engineers do because they need the license to stamp blueprints for approval.

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

That is incorrect. Working for the government automatically does not require a PE, only the TYPE of work they do. Architects or civil engineers do because they need the license to stamp blueprints for approval.

Because they have professional libility if they approve something that is a danger.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

That is incorrect. Working for the government automatically does not require a PE, only the TYPE of work they do. Architects or civil engineers do because they need the license to stamp blueprints for approval.

oh I have to be THAT specific? c'mon.

**Reba** · 07-01-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I think so..I am not familiar with hairdressers but as long as the customers arent getting their haircut under false pretenses, then I think it is ok. If one tells their customers that they are licensed, it is unethical but illegal? I have no idea.

It's against state laws to work in a salon as a cosmetologist without a license. It's considered a health hazard because clients could be harmed by bacterial infections, cuts, chemical burns, hot iron burns, eye irritations, etc. A lot of cosmetology training is about safety and sanitation, not just hairdressing skills.

**Daredevel7** · 07-01-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Because they have professional libility if they approve something that is a danger.

Correct. But not all engineers create blueprints or documentation that directly affect the production of something.

There's engineers who do testing, analysis, conceptualizing, etc etc.

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Correct. But not all engineers create blueprints or documentation that directly affect the production of something.

There's engineers who do testing, analysis, conceptualizing, etc etc.

Sure. The difference is in providing a service to the public that could result in a negative consequence. That is the reason behind licensure.

A · 07-01-2010, 04:14 PM

FJ was just expressing what she knows. She is not out there teaching and writing IEP without a license.

I've always asked people what they know about the subject rather they are licensed or not.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:17 PM

I just did some backtracking to see how did this thread leads to this professionalism stuff. Now I get it.

Post #421 where FJ said that she's a teacher but in post #423 - FJ said she has not completed the teacher licensing requirement. Now that is a no no because those 2 posts contradict with each other. I think we all know that when one says he/she's a teacher... we all assume that he/she is licensed. Same thing with doctor and doctor-in-training.

just saying.

**Daredevel7** · 07-01-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Sure. The difference is in providing a service to the public that could result in a negative consequence. That is the reason behind licensure.

Right. Well, I was just curious about at what point does it become illegal. Now, I have a much better understanding. I'm satisfied.

So, back the the topic. It's becoming evident that upholding the law has financial limits. (And this can be said for many many many laws/rules)

**shel90** · 07-01-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It's against state laws to work in a salon as a cosmetologist without a license. It's considered a health hazard because clients could be harmed by bacterial infections, cuts, chemical burns, hot iron burns, eye irritations, etc. A lot of cosmetology training is about safety and sanitation, not just hairdressing skills.

Wow! I just gained a new respect for licensed hairdressers. I didn't realize all these issues were involved. Now, I am better educated.
Thank u, Reba.

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by A

FJ was just expressing what she knows. She is not out there teaching and writing IEP without a license.

I've always asked people what they know about the subject rather they are licensed or not.

She said she was.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by A

FJ was just expressing what she knows. She is not out there teaching and writing IEP without a license.

I've always asked people what they know about the subject rather they are licensed or not.

yes. it's totally fine to listen to one's (unlicensed) perspective & experience on the subject.... and also to listen to the professional's perspective & experience on same subject. Of course - both versions will be different from each other but....

on formal setting - which one holds more weight?

jillio · 07-01-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Right. Well, I was just curious about at what point does it become illegal. Now, I have a much better understanding. I'm satisfied.

So, back the the topic. It's becoming evident that upholding the law has financial limits. (And this can be said for many many many laws/rules)

Agreed.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Right. Well, I was just curious about at what point does it become illegal. Now, I have a much better understanding. I'm satisfied.

So, back the the topic. It's becoming evident that upholding the law has financial limits. (And this can be said for many many many laws/rules)

unfortunately true.

**Reba** · 07-01-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

So she can say "I can cut your hair for $20, but Im not licensed. Deal?" and it's still legal?

It's not legal but if it's done in someone's home it's hard to enforce.

FYI: S.C. Code of Laws Title 40 Chapter 13 Cosmetology And Cosmetologists - www.scstatehouse.gov-LPITS

**shel90** · 07-01-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I just did some backtracking to see how did this thread leads to this professionalism stuff. Now I get it.

Post #421 where FJ said that she's a teacher but in post #423 - FJ said she has not completed the teacher licensing requirement. Now that is a no no because those 2 posts contradict with each other. I think we all know that when one says he/she's a teacher... we all assume that he/she is licensed. Same thing with doctor and doctor-in-training.

just saying.

Thank you Jiro.

It shows a lack of respect to those licensed teacher when people think that someone who hasn't completed all the training, classes, and prodecures can pass themselves as teachers. Maybe as a teacher in training or long term sub teacher would be more appropriate.

**Jiro** · 07-01-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Thank you Jiro.

It shows a lack of respect to those license teacher when people think that someone who hasn't completed all the training, classes, and prodecures can pass themselves as teachers. Maybe as a teacher in training or long term sub teacher would be more appropriate.

I agree. Maybe it's just a slip of tongue on FJ's part. I dunno. Not gonna hold it against her.

**shel90** · 07-01-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I agree. Maybe it's just a slip of tongue on FJ's part. I dunno. Not gonna hold it against her.

Another person thought it wasnt a big deal if a teacher is licensed or not. Under NCLB, it is a BIG deal.

My question is if fJ is a sub teacher..how if she doesnt have a BA degree? It was to my understanding that she is in the process of obtaining her BA degree unless I am wrong?

A · 07-01-2010, 04:52 PM

I mean a big deal on the message board, not real life.

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Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,540	I just did some backtracking to see how did this thread leads to this professionalism stuff. Now I get it. Post #421 where FJ said that she's a teacher but in post #423 - FJ said she has not completed the teacher licensing requirement. Now that is a no no because those 2 posts contradict with each other. I think we all know that when one says he/she's a teacher... we all assume that he/she is licensed. Same thing with doctor and doctor-in-training. just saying. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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A Banned Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,180 Blog Entries: 1	FJ was just expressing what she knows. She is not out there teaching and writing IEP without a license. I've always asked people what they know about the subject rather they are licensed or not.

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A Banned Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,180 Blog Entries: 1	I mean a big deal on the message board, not real life.