jillio

That's good to know. The interims just have to have a bachelor degree in the field related to subject matter they are teaching. For instance, a degree in Poli Sci would enable them to teach high school level government or social studies. They have to take the Praxis within a time frame specified, or they can't continue.

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shel90

Post #411...she said she is a teacher in special ed. For one to be a teacher in special ed, he/she must be licensed and highly qualified by law. Otherwise, they arent teachers.

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jillio

Bingo. Special ed requires even more than a regular classroom teacher.

Daredevel7

Really? No teacher can call themselves teachers unless they are licensed? Hmmm. Is this just a teacher thing or all professions that require a license? Like hairdressers, etc.

shel90

The NCLB law requires all teachers to posses a highly qualified certification in their area or they are in violiation of the law. Did you read about those 30 something teachers at Rhode Island School for the Deaf getting the boot because they weren't certified under the NCLB?

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AlleyCat

Yeah, I guess I can't call myself a graphic designer. I don't have a license in it. Heaven forbid I get told I'm misrepresenting myself as a graphic designer.

jillio

It is misrepresentation to call yourself a licensed, credentialed professional when you are not. And, the licensing body can put you on a ban list and insure that you are never eligible for licensure due to this unethical behavior. You can't call yourself a doctor without proper education and licensure, either. Or a nurse. Or a psychologist. Or anyone else that is required by law to be licensed.

AlleyCat

The point is that she didn't state she had a license. No need for everyone to put words in her mouth.

Reba

Depends on the state.

jillio

Last I checked, graphic designers are not required by law to have a license. There is a reason that certain professions require it.

Frisky Feline

I prefer someone say it to themselve if they were aide teacher or subs or student teacher or whatever it is. if they say they are teachers then i would get under the impression that they are licensed to teach kids anything. like for my kids, i would prefer to know about it than assume it.

Reba

Hairdressers have to pass a state exam and get certified. Next time you go to a salon, look for the certificates (including photos) on the wall of each station. If they don't get certified they're called "kitchen cosmetologists" by the certified cosmetologists.

jillio

If you say that you are a teacher, the licensing is implied, because teachers are required by law to have a license. If someone says, "I'm a lawyer" you expect that they are licensed to practice law. If someone says "I'm a doctor, you expect that they are licensed to practice medicine." If someone is a paralegal, they should not represent themselves as a lawyer. That is the whole point. It is blatantly dishonest.

Reba

Certification is more likely to be required in fields where the safety or well-being of the public could be endangered by non-certified people.

shel90

I am sorry but I had to go through rigourous testing and classes to get the priviledge of calling myself a teacher.

I take offense that anyone who doesnt hold a license can pass themselves as a teacher because with NCLB, it takes a lot nowadays to become a teacher.

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shel90

Is there a law requiring graphic designers to be licensed?

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Jiro

There are actually "prestigious" certification or license for many professional fields but it's not required. However - if you do have one.... it shows that you have a high proficiency skill and you hold ethic better than unlicensed/uncertified professionals.

For ie: many jobs do not require web developer to be certified but there are a few prestigious organizations that do offer certification.

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Daredevel7

Interesting. I guess I'm kinda fuzzy on this because I doubt it's illegal for an unlicensed person to practice professions that require to be licensed. For example, a woman who isn't licensed does hairdressing out of her own house for family and friends. I was just curious at what point does it become illegal? When it becomes a business? or when it is conducted on business grounds?

Thanks for putting up with my questions...

shel90

New No Child Left Behind Flexibility: Highly Qualified Teachers

Terms to Know: Highly Qualified Teachers
•Highly Qualified Teachers: To be deemed highly qualified, teachers must have: 1) a bachelor's degree, 2) full state certification or licensure, and 3) prove that they know each subject they teach.

•State Requirements: NCLB requires states to 1) measure the extent to which all students have highly qualified teachers, particularly minority and disadvantaged students, 2) adopt goals and plans to ensure all teachers are highly qualified and, 3) publicly report plans and progress in meeting teacher quality goals.

•Demonstration of Competency: Teachers (in middle and high school) must prove that they know the subject they teach with: 1) a major in the subject they teach, 2) credits equivalent to a major in the subject, 3) passage of a state-developed test, 4) HOUSSE (for current teachers only, see below), 5) an advanced certification from the state, or 6) a graduate degree.

•High, Objective, Uniform State Standard of Evaluation (HOUSSE): NCLB allows states to develop an additional way for current teachers to demonstrate subject-matter competency and meet highly qualified teacher requirements. Proof may consist of a combination of teaching experience, professional development, and knowledge in the subject garnered over time in the profession.

The public has a right to know if their child's teacher posess a highly qualified certification under this law.

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Daredevel7

Same for engineers. There is a license that can make you a Professional Engineer. Same concept.

jillio

It is very illegal for an unlicensed person to practice a profession that is required by law to be licensed. It becomes a business when she advertises herself as a hairdresser, accepts remuneration for her services, and provides services to someone other than her family and her friends.

Jiro

the only difference is - some jobs require it especially government jobs. and civil service. and doctors.

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Daredevel7

Basically, it becomes illegal when she gets cash (or whatever) from her services? Gotcha. Thanks.

jillio

But, are you required by law to have that license or certification in order to work as an engineer? That is the difference. For instance, I have to be licensed. I cannot practice without a license. I also can be certified in several areas of specialty, but it does not replace my lawfully required license. If my license lapses, I cannot practice until I take the steps to renew it. The same with teachers, or doctors, or dentists, or dental hygienists, etc.

jillio

And claims to be a cosmetologist, or a hairdresser, or whatever.

jillio

And, there is a difference between certification and licensure.

shel90

However, if an engineer doesnt get a license, will he/she get fired from his/her job?

I will get fired if I dont renew my certification every 5 years.

Can doctors practice when their license are suspended? No, because the of the laws.

I dont know about engineering so can you clarify what the laws are for engineering? Can an engineer practice without a license?

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Jiro

yes it's illegal for unlicensed person to do the profession that requires license. The "house" is registered with Nevada government and the "escorts" are required to be licensed. To do the "service" with no license.... the manager of the "house" would be fined and even get shut down for good.

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Daredevel7

So she can say "I can cut your hair for $20, but Im not licensed. Deal?" and it's still legal?

Frisky Feline

that's what i am wondering if the student teachers are allowed to authorize it such as contacting with IEP and get involved with children's future as well as discussing with the children of parents. I dont know if they allow to do that while they are not licensed and without the licensed teachers being presence.