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Unread 01-11-2009, 12:28 PM   #121 (permalink)
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That is my main issue with this article, much more than whether she should have bilateral CI or not.
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Unread 01-11-2009, 12:29 PM   #122 (permalink)
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What? Kids can't socialize without speech?

No one is saying she can't have 2. If her parents want her to have two, then go for it. This is their fight, not the fight of the public.
And, as a parent, I would certainly be concerned about my child being portrayed to the public as a "poor little deaf child." What kind of message does that give to the child? "You poor little handicapped

Yes, Dthing, you. You just aren't as capablaredeve as everyone else."
That'ils the message I got growing up and believed that I wasn't as capable as my friends, no thanks to the audists who brain-washed my family.....this article is just another example and I don't need people looking seeing me as this poor deaf person who isn't capable as anyone else without CIs....that's why I am so turned off by this article.

Yes, Daredevel...arctles like these may put more pressure on u as a CI user to make your CI work to their expectations and if it doesn't, they may think that u didn't try hard enough.

The last thing, after decades of hard work deaf people in history have put in to educate the general public that deaf people aren't retarded, to be pitied, or non functional, is an article full of innacurate information like this.
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Then perhaps you are not as concerned about the messages such tactics relay to the child as you should be.
I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
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HearAgain - Ultimately, there is no control of how the general public will interpret/feel about anything.
Then give them accurrate information and let them feel as they will feel. Do not attempt to generate pity.
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Exactly, why pity deafness? or any other disability?
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
What she needs, or what you want her to have because you can't imagine that she could be fully fuinctional without doing it the same way you do?

And if you parade her around in front of the public as someone to be pitied, she is going to need much more than an implant to overcome the negative effects.
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
So you would write an article like that to get your child pitty, and the things she needs, thusly hurting her self esteem, and self appearance?
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What she needs, or what you want her to have because you can't imagine that she could be fully fuinctional without doing it the same way you do?
Whatever will help her.
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HearAgain - Ultimately, there is no control of how the general public will interpret/feel about anything.
yes, there is. it's called writing a special interest article that contains *accurate* information minus the negative stereotypes.
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
Even if it hurts deaf people and other children with this false info?

Not too long ago, u were hurt by what some deaf people said about u being a bad parent for implanting your child and expressed your anger here on AD..now, this? U can't have your cake and eat it too.
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So you would write an article like that to get your child pitty, and the things she needs, thusly hurting her self esteem, and self appearance?
Hey, guys, quote feature is messing up. That wasn't me! No way would I ever do that, nor would I allow anyone else to.
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Exactly, why pity deafness? or any other disability?

Where in the article does it state to "pity" deafness.
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Whatever will help her.
Quite a different concept than what you first stated.
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
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So you would write an article like that to get your child pitty, and the things she needs, thusly hurting her self esteem, and self appearance?
How would it hurt her? I would hope that I have raised my child in a way that one article would not ruin her life. That her value would not be tied up in what others say about her.
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Where in the article does it state to "pity" deafness.
IF YOU WOULD READ THE D#$% THING. It is the MAIN FOCUS!!!!!
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I would lie, cheat and steal to get what my child needs. Sometimes parents have to face big decisions when it comes to parenting, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get her what she needs. I will move a mountain if it means that Miss Kat will be a self sufficent, strong, successful adult.
I understand what you're saying, however this is a bit of a narrow minded approach with the goal "MUST HAVE 2nd IMPLANT!" not even thinking twice about that path you're taking.

You're saying that you would move a mountain and dropping it on 100,000 deaf people.
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Where in the article does it state to "pity" deafness.
Oh, please. Read it, for Gawd's sake! The entire tone of the piece is meant to invoke pity.
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Where in the article does it state to "pity" deafness.
the pity is implied by the fact that this child cannot "become a fully functional adult" without a second ci -- not to mention everything else that was written in the article.
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How would it hurt her? I would hope that I have raised my child in a way that one article would not ruin her life. That her value would not be tied up in what others say about her.
I would be upset and embarrassed if my parents friend wrote an article like that. I would ask why i was not good enough as i was back when it was written.
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Even if it hurts deaf people and other children with this false info?

Not too long ago, u were hurt by what some deaf people said about u being a bad parent for implanting your child and expressed your anger here on AD..now, this? U can't have your cake and eat it too.
If it is what will help my child, screw other people. Honestly, I am going to make sure my child gets what they need first, and then worry about changing the world. Sorry!
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How would it hurt her? I would hope that I have raised my child in a way that one article would not ruin her life. That her value would not be tied up in what others say about her.
Unfortuantely, a child's self image and self esteem is directly tied to what others say about them, especially their parents. And more so than what is said, it is what is communicated through action. Treat your child as someone to be pitied, take the action that places her in front of the public in this way, and you have had a negative effect on her self image that will take years to rectify.
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If it is what will help my child, screw other people. Honestly, I am going to make sure my child gets what they need first, and then worry about changing the world. Sorry!
Okay, screw other people. What about the message you are giving your child? An implant won't do a danged thing to rectify that.
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Unfortuantely, a child's self image and self esteem is directly tied to what others say about them, especially their parents. And more so than what is said, it is what is communicated through action. Treat your child as someone to be pitied, take the action that places her in front of the public in this way, and you have had a negative effect on her self image that will take years to rectify.
Exactly!parents saying things has A DIRECT EFFECT on the lives of children. I did not come to be a fully functional blind adult by my mom saying "ohh you cant do that because you are blind."

If you show children to pity themselves *what this article is doing* then they will.
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Unfortuantely, a child's self image and self esteem is directly tied to what others say about them, especially their parents. And more so than what is said, it is what is communicated through action. Treat your child as someone to be pitied, take the action that places her in front of the public in this way, and you have had a negative effect on her self image that will take years to rectify.
some of you may disagree with me, but i think the bolded statement is a form of emotional abuse.
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I understand what you're saying, however this is a bit of a narrow minded approach with the goal "MUST HAVE 2nd IMPLANT!" not even thinking twice about that path you're taking.

You're saying that you would move a mountain and dropping it on 100,000 deaf people.
I wouldn't have chosen to write the article in this way, but that's just me.

I also don't think that having the second CI is a life or death struggle, but if my insurance was giving me the run around, I would be cheesed off and want ANY way that might lead to help.

I also don't think anyone having implants is ruining the life of someone who doesn't.
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If it is what will help my child, screw other people. Honestly, I am going to make sure my child gets what they need first, and then worry about changing the world. Sorry!
Whoaaaaa. That is one dedicated mother... almost TOO dedicated.....

Be careful.. It can be your downfall!
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some of you may disagree with me, but i think the bolded statement is a form of emotional abuse.
what bold statement?
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yes, there is. it's called writing a special interest article that contains *accurate* information minus the negative stereotypes.
Hear Again - This is not an article that any member of the general public will be loosing sleep over. People retrive from print what they want.

From your perspective there are inaacuracies. If you feel strongly about it then why not contact the paper/journalist to provide your perspective?
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