Law & Order: Criminal Intent TV show, April 3rd NBC channel - Page 2

Oceanblue7 · 04-04-2007, 12:06 PM

I give NBC an applause for having more deaf actors on tv, bec its a major step for TV.
I agree with most of you the signing parts would cut-off during a signed conversation and ethical practices for the interpreter were out of line. I have to remember this is Hollywood doing this, they sort of twist things around for a better production in my opinion.
That's Hollywood for you

***VamPyroX*** · 04-04-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by StarrNancy

I was looking forward to the show last night. I was disappointed because not only was the topic, cochlear implant, old and tired they did not show proper certified interpreter request protocol. As a long time interpreter and someone who cares about deaf community access this is the true "criminal intent". I have terp friends who are CODAs, certified, follow code of ethics and have integrity...but this CODA character in the show did not mention if he was trained or certified. He had clear conflict of interest. My dream deaf topic show would be a court case using certified interpreters (both hearing and deaf) and show the power of the ADA as a full access and equality law. This would be a true educational opportunity for so many hearing professionals who are clueless! Though I feel strongly about CI, as an invasive medical "fix", I mostly think it is a just a tired old plot line. I think even uninformed hearing people are tired of it as an excuse for a deaf storyline.

Did the deaf victims or deaf suspects specifically request a certified interpreter?

Reba · 04-04-2007, 02:11 PM

Even uncertified interpreters are supposed to follow the code of ethics.

It wasn't clearly explained in the program but I was under the impression that the interpreter was a police officer (notice the badge he wore) who served as staff interpreter for the department.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-04-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Even uncertified interpreters are supposed to follow the code of ethics.

It wasn't clearly explained in the program but I was under the impression that the interpreter was a police officer (notice the badge he wore) who served as staff interpreter for the department.

Which code of ethics was that?

He didn't interpret when he was in private place.

Reba · 04-04-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Which code of ethics was that?

It used to be the RID Code of Ethics; now it's called the Code of Professional Conduct for RID and NAD interpreters.

RID's Code of Ethics

lemontree · 04-04-2007, 03:05 PM

Missed about 30 minutes of the show. Started watching where they had arrested Larry and he refused to let the cop interpreter sign. Missed the murder scene and all.

Thought it was strange a cop would be interpreting. Wouldn't a big place like NYC have access to certified non-partial terps that have nothing to do with being a cop?

Another problem I saw was the way they had the sign language going. Most of the time it was blocked or shot poorly that the hands were not visible.

Also thought the storyline was old; the usual cochlear implant debate and having a hearing sibling "abandon" the deaf sibling. I don't think I missed the first 30 minutes after all.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-04-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It used to be the RID Code of Ethics; now it's called the Code of Professional Conduct for RID and NAD interpreters.

RID's Code of Ethics

So, was that detective a certified RID or NAD interpreter?

And, which code of ethics did he violate?

***VamPyroX*** · 04-04-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Missed about 30 minutes of the show. Started watching where they had arrested Larry and he refused to let the cop interpreter sign. Missed the murder scene and all.

Thought it was strange a cop would be interpreting. Wouldn't a big place like NYC have access to certified non-partial terps that have nothing to do with being a cop?

Another problem I saw was the way they had the sign language going. Most of the time it was blocked or shot poorly that the hands were not visible.

Also thought the storyline was old; the usual cochlear implant debate and having a hearing sibling "abandon" the deaf sibling. I don't think I missed the first 30 minutes after all.

The CI debate isn't really old, it's still argued today. I see it argued a lot with deaf students at NTID.

rabbit · 04-04-2007, 03:59 PM

I didn't see it but some friends of mine new some people who were on the show.

Sharky99 · 04-04-2007, 04:13 PM

I taped that show last night and watched it this morning... I was impressed by the fact that Law and Order did have deaf actors there.. but some things did bother me... I wondered why for one example, the 3 cops at the ice skating party would be somehow trying to find out what the deaf couple on the ice were "arguing" abuot and the other cop that was doing the interpretting had to turn aaway but still get some of the conservatoin and relay to the main cop.. eh.. also one of the deaf suspects was complaining abuot wanting a deaf cop and the cop that was interpretting later said his parents were deaf.. I say eh might explain why.. I admit I am not good at the signing level of ASL as I am level 1 and my emotion showing is in need of improving somehow.. ehh but some signs I was trying to see what going on but ah..

It was good to see Deanna Bray on that show and also one interesting thing, while she was in a segment where she was chatting to someone on webcam on a monitor that showed the other person in full view... I wonder if Deanna is still working and is the show she worked in "FBEye" still going on or has ended production?

Reba · 04-04-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

So, was that detective a certified RID or NAD interpreter?

Don't know; they didn't say. I'm not sure they even said he was a detective. I'll have to play back the tape and check on that.

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And, which code of ethics did he violate?

I didn't say he violated any codes. I just linked them so you could see what they are.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-04-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Don't know; they didn't say. I'm not sure they even said he was a detective. I'll have to play back the tape and check on that.

I didn't say he violated any codes. I just linked them so you could see what they are.

I know, I was just asking if that happened.

StarrNancy said that the police didn't follow proper interpreter request protocol.

I was wondering if a formal request was ever made.

DeafSCUBA98 · 04-04-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

Watch it next week on USA channel.

when next week?

Yiffzer · 04-04-2007, 10:16 PM

Re-run episode: "Silencer"

April 11, 2007
11 P.M.
USA Network

Reba · 04-04-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I know, I was just asking if that happened.

OK.

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I was wondering if a formal request was ever made.

The only "request" I recall is when Larry requested (demanded?) a Deaf cop, Deaf jury, and Deaf judge (he already had a Deaf lawyer). He didn't want to use any interpreter but the police provided the interpreter anyway.

lemontree · 04-05-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

The CI debate isn't really old, it's still argued today. I see it argued a lot with deaf students at NTID.

I meant the storyline seemed like the same thing over and over. I did not mean that it was "old" as in not current.

I don't know what would have been a good storyline, but it just seemed the writers of the show didn't think of something more innovative than the usual debate about cochlear implants and how the deaf community is like a "cocoon."

Another thing I wondered about was the lawyer for Larry deaf? Reba mentioned the lawyer was deaf, but when Larry was being interrogated I didn't see the lawyer using sign language, only saw him speaking.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-05-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

OK.

The only "request" I recall is when Larry requested (demanded?) a Deaf cop, Deaf jury, and Deaf judge (he already had a Deaf lawyer). He didn't want to use any interpreter but the police provided the interpreter anyway.

Well, when he refused... they still had to try their best considering Larry wouldn't cooperate.

Reba · 04-05-2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

...Another thing I wondered about was the lawyer for Larry deaf? Reba mentioned the lawyer was deaf, but when Larry was being interrogated I didn't see the lawyer using sign language, only saw him speaking.

I don't remember the lawyer speaking. (I'm not saying he didn't; I just don't remember; I need to replay my tape). I did see him signing with Larry, and knowing Larry's attitude about hearing cops and juries, etc., a Deaf lawyer would fit his requirements. But it's possible the lawyer was a hearing signer, or a late-deafened oral signer, or . . . who knows?

***VamPyroX*** · 04-05-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I don't remember the lawyer speaking. (I'm not saying he didn't; I just don't remember; I need to replay my tape). I did see him signing with Larry, and knowing Larry's attitude about hearing cops and juries, etc., a Deaf lawyer would fit his requirements. But it's possible the lawyer was a hearing signer, or a late-deafened oral signer, or . . . who knows?

With all of those "they must be deaf" request that Larry made, would you say he was suffering from deaf psychosis?

Reba · 04-05-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

With all of those "they must be deaf" request that Larry made, would you say he was suffering from deaf psychosis?

Heh, heh, I ain't touchin' that one!

***VamPyroX*** · 04-05-2007, 04:37 AM

Aww... why not?

PowerON · 04-05-2007, 10:22 AM

we, from DFW have large complain with NBC in location that weather warning jump in middle of show for about 15 minutes and ruin our moment.

there is always iTunes I'm download....*downloading......*
no subtitle but no care, I watch who people are sign. de la de la...

***VamPyroX*** · 04-05-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

we, from DFW have large complain with NBC in location that weather warning jump in middle of show for about 15 minutes and ruin our moment.

there is always iTunes I'm download....*downloading......*
no subtitle but no care, I watch who people are sign. de la de la...

Or... watch it next week on Wednesday.

PowerON · 04-05-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

Re-run episode: "Silencer"

April 11, 2007
11 P.M.
USA Network

11pm in Eastern Time zone?

last time someone e-mail me that make me think it's 9pm and realize it's actual 8pm. That make me miss that. damnitgod.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,287	Even uncertified interpreters are supposed to follow the code of ethics. It wasn't clearly explained in the program but I was under the impression that the interpreter was a police officer (notice the badge he wore) who served as staff interpreter for the department.

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Sharky99 aka NorthStar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Canada Posts: 3,557	I taped that show last night and watched it this morning... I was impressed by the fact that Law and Order did have deaf actors there.. but some things did bother me... I wondered why for one example, the 3 cops at the ice skating party would be somehow trying to find out what the deaf couple on the ice were "arguing" abuot and the other cop that was doing the interpretting had to turn aaway but still get some of the conservatoin and relay to the main cop.. eh.. also one of the deaf suspects was complaining abuot wanting a deaf cop and the cop that was interpretting later said his parents were deaf.. I say eh might explain why.. I admit I am not good at the signing level of ASL as I am level 1 and my emotion showing is in need of improving somehow.. ehh but some signs I was trying to see what going on but ah.. It was good to see Deanna Bray on that show and also one interesting thing, while she was in a segment where she was chatting to someone on webcam on a monitor that showed the other person in full view... I wonder if Deanna is still working and is the show she worked in "FBEye" still going on or has ended production?

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Yiffzer BANNED - LOL, K. Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 785	Re-run episode: "Silencer" April 11, 2007 11 P.M. USA Network