Sickening!!!! - Page 3

**KarissaMann05** · 02-29-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Ok, I will be concern about this issue.

Spread to other states? like Utah and California?

Yes. It seems they are.....

JanatheShort · 02-29-2012, 10:56 PM

Today it passed the third reading. I was there for a social work conference, and by the time I got out of my rally, and watched a senate meeting, there were still like 8 people there opposing the bill and just chatting with each other and then with us. This was maybe 45 minutes or an hour after the bill passed. We were all really sad... but now a cool thing happened. I don't know if the opponents talked with ALL the social work students running around... but we all saw the signs saying "oppose HB 1367" and we were sitting at the rally looking up the bill on our cell phones. So... 600 social work students... students studying HOW TO ADVOCATE... at least know what the bill is. There was some talk about getting the National Association of Social Workers to get involved too. A signing social worker (Deaf? deaf? HOH? I dunno.) is supposed to e-mail me about it. They plan to fight it even if it passes, and after two terms of the governor who was the one proposing this bill... the government will DEFINATELY be changing in the next governor's election time.

deafdyke · 03-01-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Here's something for you. The Director for Hear Indiana, Naomi Horton is an AVT specialist who has her own AVT business and I am now hearing that she hasn't provided any disclaimer as regards a conflict of interest.

If that isn't enough, she's the one who said, "When kids don't consider themselves deaf, the magic begins".

OH GAWD!!!!!!! Why is it that the auditory verbal specialists are all old lady speech therapist types? They just don't get it! I would LOVE it if those AVTers had to spend a day as a dhh kid in the mainstream. They would understand.

deafdyke · 03-01-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Ok, I will be concern about this issue.

Spread to other states? like Utah and California?

It's already spread to Utah sadly. 80% of dhh kids are orally educated there

JanatheShort · 03-01-2012, 11:16 PM

Did you watch their Youtube video?? It was posted on another thread... I heard a child talking about his experience at a HearIndiana Camp, and he said he loved it because everyone else there listened and talked like him. I was like... wow. Really??? THIS is the group who will be "unbiased"?????? No. I don't think so.

**TXgolfer** · 03-01-2012, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

Did you watch their Youtube video?? It was posted on another thread... I heard a child talking about his experience at a HearIndiana Camp, and he said he loved it because everyone else there listened and talked like him. I was like... wow. Really??? THIS is the group who will be "unbiased"?????? No. I don't think so.

Hear Indiana will not be running the outreach either......

**Foxrac** · 03-01-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

It's already spread to Utah sadly. 80% of dhh kids are orally educated there

That's sad to hear and just nothing like 20-30 years ago when ASL was heavily at deaf school.

JanatheShort · 03-01-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Hear Indiana will not be running the outreach either......

No, but if you research the history of ISD and governor Mitch Daniels, you will find he supports oral education and uses his power to try to help the oral movement. I don't trust his promise to make the group "unbiased". I think he would give Hear Indiana much more power in the new center.

**TXgolfer** · 03-01-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

No, but if you research the history of ISD and governor Mitch Daniels, you will find he supports oral education and uses his power to try to help the oral movement. I don't trust his promise to make the group "unbiased". I think he would give Hear Indiana much more power in the new center.

Daniels is probably the most trustworthy governor in the U.S., If he makes a promise I would bet on it. That's just me.

JanatheShort · 03-02-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Daniels is probably the most trustworthy governor in the U.S., If he makes a promise I would bet on it. That's just me.

I'm assuming you say this because you are from texas. I live in Indiana, and I have NOT been impressed.

purplewowies · 03-02-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

I'm assuming you say this because you are from texas. I live in Indiana, and I have NOT been impressed.

Same here.

**TXgolfer** · 03-02-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

I'm assuming you say this because you are from texas. I live in Indiana, and I have NOT been impressed.

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Originally Posted by purplewowies

Same here.

Yeah, that's politics. He has been on my radar for quite a while as some people here know. I am a fan.

**Foxrac** · 03-02-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Daniels is probably the most trustworthy governor in the U.S., If he makes a promise I would bet on it. That's just me.

Not to me.

deafdyke · 03-02-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

That's sad to hear and just nothing like 20-30 years ago when ASL was heavily at deaf school.

Well the thing is, USDB has a very small residental school componet along with that Jean Massiou School which is voice off and has really crappy speech therapy services. The superintendent of USDB is the admin of an oral program, so decided to concentrate on not really offering great oral auxierally services. Parents want oral training......granted yeah we have THOSE kinds of parents who are VEHEMETLY against ASL but I think if ASL programs ALSO offered good quality speech therapies, like at shel's school (where there are periods where you're allowed to be "Sign off" and work on spoken language) or early childhood bi-bi where the day is split into spoken English and Clarke style training and then ASL/Deaf education.
The thing is, the audists do not understand that while a lot of kids are doing a lot better, meaning they don't have severe or profound spoken language delays (like the kind that would have caused them to be sent to CID/Clarke/ St. Joseph's in the old days) they still have delays. They also start to really lag behind around 4th grade or so.

JanatheShort · 03-02-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Yeah, that's politics. He has been on my radar for quite a while as some people here know. I am a fan.

I think if you lived in the areas affected by his policies, you would change your opinion very quickly.

**TXgolfer** · 03-02-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

I think if you lived in the areas affected by his policies, you would change your opinion very quickly.

His approval rating is in the high 50s to low 60s depending on the poll which is a pretty amazing number for a Gov bent on belt tightening and breaking unions in the middle of a downturn. Indiana's pensions are stable unlike many states. All in all I would say he has done a fantastic job. Indiana has one of the best economy's in the US all while he is positioning the state for the future. We can agree to disagree but I find what he has done to be nothing short of fantastic.

JanatheShort · 03-02-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

His approval rating is in the high 50s to low 60s depending on the poll which is a pretty amazing number for a Gov bent on belt tightening and breaking unions in the middle of a downturn. Indiana's pensions are stable unlike many states. All in all I would say he has done a fantastic job. Indiana has one of the best economy's in the US all while he is positioning the state for the future. We can agree to disagree but I find what he has done to be nothing short of fantastic.

I very much disagree. He has cut funding to colleges across the state. How is this preparing the state of Indiana for the future? Colleges reacted by layoffs and tuition raises. This makes students at greater risk of needing to drop out for financial reasons or raising horrendous debt to go to college. Less people completing college mean less people in an educated workforce prepared to make and participate in a stable economy in the future.

He is sacrificing the future of Indiana to make himself look good in the present.

**TXgolfer** · 03-02-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

I very much disagree. He has cut funding to colleges across the state. How is this preparing the state of Indiana for the future? Colleges reacted by layoffs and tuition raises. This makes students at greater risk of needing to drop out for financial reasons or raising horrendous debt to go to college. Less people completing college mean less people in an educated workforce prepared to make and participate in a stable economy in the future.

He is sacrificing the future of Indiana to make himself look good in the present.

Ah see...political differences. I agree with his decision....sometimes when revenue is scarce you have to make tough choices. He is trying to make Indiana more like TX while preventing it from becoming California. I live in both of those states..... He is making a good call.

**Foxrac** · 03-02-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Ah see...political differences. I agree with his decision....sometimes when revenue is scarce you have to make tough choices. He is trying to make Indiana more like TX while preventing it from becoming California. I live in both of those states..... He is making a good call.

Regardless on condition of economy, I love CA so far.

CA is #1 biggest economy in the US and when stock crash started in 4 years ago so it is HUGE downhill for CA, regardless on spending cut and tax raises. It isn't first time for CA to face economy downturn and it has been done in couple of decades ago. Texas and Indiana have different condition of economy and they may not severely affect as CA does. CA isn't top 10 for most foreclosure and FL is one of them with around 14%.

It will take years for CA to have a great economy condition.

**Foxrac** · 03-02-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JanatheShort

I very much disagree. He has cut funding to colleges across the state. How is this preparing the state of Indiana for the future? Colleges reacted by layoffs and tuition raises. This makes students at greater risk of needing to drop out for financial reasons or raising horrendous debt to go to college. Less people completing college mean less people in an educated workforce prepared to make and participate in a stable economy in the future.

He is sacrificing the future of Indiana to make himself look good in the present.

Same goes with Alabama as well and I dislike republican governors.

**TXgolfer** · 03-02-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Regardless on condition of economy, I love CA so far.

CA is #1 biggest economy in the US and when stock crash started in 4 years ago so it is HUGE downhill for CA, regardless on spending cut and tax raises. It isn't first time for CA to face economy downturn and it has been done in couple of decades ago. Texas and Indiana have different condition of economy and they may not severely affect as CA does. CA isn't top 10 for most foreclosure and FL is one of them with around 14%.

It will take years for CA to have a great economy condition.

California will never have a great economy. California is our Greece.

**Foxrac** · 03-03-2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

California will never have a great economy. California is our Greece.

I disagree with you and CA will have great economy in years.

You can't compare CA with Greece, just bad compare.

kokonut · 03-03-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

California will never have a great economy. California is our Greece.

**Foxrac** · 03-03-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

California will never have a great economy. California is our Greece.

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Originally Posted by kokonut

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SAN FRANCISCO — California is not Greece, according to Standard & Poor’s.

The rating agency said in a report released Tuesday that comparisons between the most populated U.S. state and Greece’s financial quagmire are overblown.

“We believe that some of the perceptions about the similarities between California and Greece occasionally noted in the media do not hold up to closer scrutiny,” Standard & Poor’s analyst Gabriel Petek said in the report.

In a separate report released Tuesday, Fitch Ratings said it expects continued pressure on California school districts, leading to further negative rating actions.

Standard & Poor’s rates Greece BB-minus on a negative watch while it rates California A-minus with a negative *outlook.

Petek said it is incorrect to conclude that both governments have comparable debt burdens.

California’s gross domestic product reached $1.9 trillion in 2010 compared to Greece’s $305 billion, while the state’s real GDP growth rate is projected at 2.9% in 2011 versus Greece’s negative 3.5%, according to the report.

California is one of the top ten largest economies in the world.

The report also noted that Greece’s debt to GDP ratio is 153% compared to California’s 4.6% state government debt to gross state product.

California’s capacity to repay its debt, despite worse budget problems compared to other states, remains strong, according to the rating agency.

The report cited the state’s economic diversity, modern economy and the elasticity of many of its markets.

Petek said Greece’s budget problems are also worse compared to California since the Golden State has a comparably better political environment and smaller budget imbalances, even when adjusting for a wider scope of spending.

In California, the state constitution requires the state to adopt a balanced budget, which is not the case in Greece. Additionally, California must pay debt service ahead of all other obligations except for education, which is the top expenditure.

Petek said California benefits from Federal budget support while Greece is forced to rely on extraordinary loans from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

The report did note some similarities between the two economies, including that both have experienced severe recessions with high unemployment rates and both face deep budget deficits that have increased borrowing costs.

“Both governments face deep budget deficits, which we have seen complicated liquidity management for California and undermines investor confidence in the fiscal credibility of Greece,” the report said.

A majority of California’s budget has also already been allocated through voter-mandates, leaving the legislature will little flexibility.

Fitch said Tuesday it has taken negative actions on 16 school districts, 30% of all the school districts it rates in California, since the beginning of 2010. It said 37 school districts have been affirmed while just one was upgraded.

Fitch said the trend may worsen in fiscal 2012 and could further accelerate if the state decides to cut further into school spending.

In fiscal 2011, the state suspended Proposition 98 that sets a constitutionally guaranteed minimum funding level to be spent by the state on education.

The state’s school districts are under fiscal stress from reduced state funding, an end of one-time federal revenues, shrinking enrollment and tax bases and diminished spending flexibility, according to Fitch.

“Since most school districts have almost no control over their revenues, prudent management practices and expenditure controls are crucial to maintaining credit quality in this challenged environment,” Fitch said in the report.

“Although many districts have responded with sufficient offsetting expenditure reductions, others lack the ability or willingness to do so.”

California Is No Greece: Standard & Poor s - The Bond Buyer Article

**TXgolfer** · 03-03-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

California Is No Greece: Standard & Poor s - The Bond Buyer Article

Exactly

Great economy there huh?

**Foxrac** · 03-03-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Exactly

Great economy there huh?

The economy in US (even CA is part of US) is still recovering and it will not be great until several years, or may more longer.

Remember about Japan had economy downturn for over 10 years (1990's to 2000's).

**TXgolfer** · 03-03-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

The economy in US (even CA is part of US) is still recovering and it will not be great until several years, or may more longer.

Remember about Japan had economy downturn for over 10 years (1990's to 2000's).

Facepalm

kokonut · 03-03-2012, 01:38 AM

Idiocy still reigns over there.

**Foxrac** · 03-03-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Facepalm

What is wrong with you?

**Foxrac** · 03-04-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Facepalm

Also, no doubt about you are trolling me and saying *facepalm* is just baby.

I rest my case.

02-29-2012, 10:56 PM	#62 (permalink)
JanatheShort Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 358	Today it passed the third reading. I was there for a social work conference, and by the time I got out of my rally, and watched a senate meeting, there were still like 8 people there opposing the bill and just chatting with each other and then with us. This was maybe 45 minutes or an hour after the bill passed. We were all really sad... but now a cool thing happened. I don't know if the opponents talked with ALL the social work students running around... but we all saw the signs saying "oppose HB 1367" and we were sitting at the rally looking up the bill on our cell phones. So... 600 social work students... students studying HOW TO ADVOCATE... at least know what the bill is. There was some talk about getting the National Association of Social Workers to get involved too. A signing social worker (Deaf? deaf? HOH? I dunno.) is supposed to e-mail me about it. They plan to fight it even if it passes, and after two terms of the governor who was the one proposing this bill... the government will DEFINATELY be changing in the next governor's election time. deafdyke likes this.

03-03-2012, 01:38 AM	#88 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Idiocy still reigns over there. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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03-01-2012, 11:16 PM	#65 (permalink)
JanatheShort Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 358	Did you watch their Youtube video?? It was posted on another thread... I heard a child talking about his experience at a HearIndiana Camp, and he said he loved it because everyone else there listened and talked like him. I was like... wow. Really??? THIS is the group who will be "unbiased"?????? No. I don't think so.