For those who suport NCLB..take a hard look at this cartoon

**shel90** · 10-14-2011, 07:16 PM

Think about deaf children being mainstreamed and having to take those tests. I think deaf children are the elephants.

Secretblend · 10-14-2011, 07:26 PM

The elephant can climb the tree!

Just not in a way we all think of climbing the tree.

He can push the tree over.. and then "climb"

**shel90** · 10-14-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

The elephant can climb the tree!

Just not in a way we all think of climbing the tree.

He can push the tree over.. and then "climb"

Do you realize what you just said?

FireTiger · 10-17-2011, 07:16 PM

What about the fish, who are the fish?

Maybe the elephant can lift the fish into the tree then pull it down...

**shel90** · 10-17-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FireTiger

What about the fish, who are the fish?

Maybe the elephant can lift the fish into the tree then pull it down...

Then that would be like a kid taking a test for someone who cant understand it. Cheating isnt allowed remember?

**TXgolfer** · 10-17-2011, 07:31 PM

Wasn't Obama supposed to end this?

AlleyCat · 10-17-2011, 07:40 PM

I totally get Shel's point. Realistically, there's about only one animal in that pix that could really climb that tree.

Deafguy25 · 10-17-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Think about deaf children being mainstreamed and having to take those tests. I think deaf children are the elephants.

I don't like NCLB either, but why can't deaf kids be held to the same standards as hearing kids?

posts from hell · 10-17-2011, 07:46 PM

yo sam, are you asking that?

**TXgolfer** · 10-17-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I totally get Shel's point. Realistically, there's about only one animal in that pix that could really climb that tree.

That is very judgemental....

Babyblue · 10-17-2011, 07:53 PM

It is not just about deaf or hearing.. It is about ones ability to learn. Each child is different, and function differently. Not all children develope at the same level.

AlleyCat · 10-17-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That is very judgemental....

Why do you say that?

AlleyCat · 10-17-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That is very judgemental....

Elephant, penquin, fish, seal .. none of them can climb that tree. What am I missing here?

Babyblue · 10-17-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I totally get Shel's point. Realistically, there's about only one animal in that pix that could really climb that tree.

Yup, The monkey is going to be the Valedictorian!

Deafguy25 · 10-17-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is not just about deaf or hearing.. It is about ones ability to learn. Each child is different, and function differently. Not all children develope at the same level.

This I can agree with. But, shouldn't we have minimum standards for all students?

posts from hell · 10-17-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

This I can agree with. But, shouldn't we have minimum standards for all students?

minimum standards in what?

Deafguy25 · 10-17-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

minimum standards in what?

Reading, writing, math, etc.

posts from hell · 10-17-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Reading, writing, math, etc.

If the NCLB disregarded reading math, writing.... and decided it would be based only on welding, auto mechanics, building houses....

Would these same students who are proficient in reading, writing, math do as good as these who are visually and hands-on oriented? Should we hold them to the exact same standards?

Deafguy25 · 10-17-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

If the NCLB disregarded reading math, writing.... and decided it would be based only on welding, auto mechanics, building houses....

Would these same students who are proficient in reading, writing, math do as good as these who are visually and hands-on oriented? Should we hold them to the exact same standards?

I don't care about NCLB, I already said that. I do believe that we should have minimum standards for reading, writing and math though.

posts from hell · 10-17-2011, 09:46 PM

Sam, Thats all?

**TXgolfer** · 10-17-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Why do you say that?

It was a joke...sorry. I mean maybe the elephant can climb the tree if we only believe.

Babyblue · 10-18-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

It was a joke...sorry. I mean maybe the elephant can climb the tree if we only believe.

"Dumbo" Give him a feather, and perhaps he can fly to the top... No wait!! That would be cheating.

deafbajagal · 10-18-2011, 12:00 PM

Watch this video.

Animal School - YouTube

**KristinaB** · 10-18-2011, 12:01 PM

I know here in Florida, back when I was in school (yes, that would be a while ago, I graduated high school in 1981), we had a "functional Literacy" test that was administered in 8th grade and another in 11th grade. This way, they monitored your progress before high school and before senior year. Teachers were more relaxed and were able to happily work with students who needed a little extra help. Teachers had a much happier outlook on a lot of things and felt more like participating in the extra curricular activities. They did not feel it was an obligation. They were not having to constantly feel that they were being tested yearly. They did not feel like they had "big boss" looking over their shoulders while working.

Maybe, this was only in my area at the time and not all over. All I know is, more and more teachers are quitting due to NCLB. More and more teachers are doubting their ability due to NCLB. Too many parents feel that it is the teacher's responsibility to prepare them for the future. Well, they need to realize, it would be better if they could work with the teacher and do a lot of the child rearing themselves. It's not the teacher's responsibility to deal with discipline of each child at home.

When my kids were in public school for a short time, I would get emails daily from the teacher commenting on what steps she had to take to my children for the infractions she deemed were wrong. My son was given an in-school detention because a classmate had to deal with crutches due to a broken leg, asked my son to sharpen his pencil for him. Son got up, explaining to the teacher what he was doing and got permission, upon getting that, he did the job, then was slapped with the ISD and spent the rest of the day in the principal's office and had to complete all assignments at home or have OSS for 5 days. That's a little extreme. Teacher said it was the new rules due to how her school was dealing with NCLB.

whatdidyousay! · 10-18-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is not just about deaf or hearing.. It is about ones ability to learn. Each child is different, and function differently. Not all children develope at the same level.

That is so true!! Some people learn by visual and other by hearing .

Learning Styles -- Visual, Auditory, and Tactile Learning

**shel90** · 10-18-2011, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is not just about deaf or hearing.. It is about ones ability to learn. Each child is different, and function differently. Not all children develope at the same level.

Yeppers, NCLB has done more harm than good for all.

**shel90** · 10-18-2011, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is not just about deaf or hearing.. It is about ones ability to learn. Each child is different, and function differently. Not all children develope at the same level.

Yeppers, NCLB has done more harm than good for all.

**Beowulf** · 10-18-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Watch this video.
Animal School - YouTube

I love this post!

**shel90** · 10-18-2011, 07:07 PM

Just shared this video with the curriculm director and asked her to share that with the whole school during one of the training workshops for the upcoming new curriculm. Would be a great reminder to everyone why we will be asked to change our way of thinking and approaches to teaching.

deafdyke · 10-18-2011, 07:12 PM

Yes, but still.....we need minimum standards, so that the kids can be functionally literate at least!

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,781	I totally get Shel's point. Realistically, there's about only one animal in that pix that could really climb that tree. shel90 and KristinaB like this.

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,768	I know here in Florida, back when I was in school (yes, that would be a while ago, I graduated high school in 1981), we had a "functional Literacy" test that was administered in 8th grade and another in 11th grade. This way, they monitored your progress before high school and before senior year. Teachers were more relaxed and were able to happily work with students who needed a little extra help. Teachers had a much happier outlook on a lot of things and felt more like participating in the extra curricular activities. They did not feel it was an obligation. They were not having to constantly feel that they were being tested yearly. They did not feel like they had "big boss" looking over their shoulders while working. Maybe, this was only in my area at the time and not all over. All I know is, more and more teachers are quitting due to NCLB. More and more teachers are doubting their ability due to NCLB. Too many parents feel that it is the teacher's responsibility to prepare them for the future. Well, they need to realize, it would be better if they could work with the teacher and do a lot of the child rearing themselves. It's not the teacher's responsibility to deal with discipline of each child at home. When my kids were in public school for a short time, I would get emails daily from the teacher commenting on what steps she had to take to my children for the infractions she deemed were wrong. My son was given an in-school detention because a classmate had to deal with crutches due to a broken leg, asked my son to sharpen his pencil for him. Son got up, explaining to the teacher what he was doing and got permission, upon getting that, he did the job, then was slapped with the ISD and spent the rest of the day in the principal's office and had to complete all assignments at home or have OSS for 5 days. That's a little extreme. Teacher said it was the new rules due to how her school was dealing with NCLB. __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

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Secretblend Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Antonio Posts: 3,746	The elephant can climb the tree! Just not in a way we all think of climbing the tree. He can push the tree over.. and then "climb"

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,434	yo sam, are you asking that?

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,434	Sam, Thats all?

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