jillio

It would certainly appear so. Maybe the problem is a bit of dissatisfaction because this identity cannot claim membership in the Deaf community, while I can.

But the usual petty arguments that are completely off topic are starting again. I see a pattern that occurs with this poster everytime he/she posts. Let's get back to the topic of standardized testing, minimum standards, and educational methods.

Deafness

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Deafguy25

I'm gonna back off and let the insanity ride. I hear this place loves to ban people who dare disagree with the "party line" so I'm taking off before I meet my first ruler slap.

Later

deafskeptic

nope, she isn't Deaf... er i mean he... I seem to be getting deafguy confused with a certain argumentative parent..

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jillio

See you later, FJ.

posts from hell

We could use her questioning:

When does that happen? Just Deaf from birth? How about hard of hearing from birth and became later Deaf? How about born hearing with a fast progressive loss? How about born hearing but deafened by illness before age 2? When does the hearing loss become the person? How about having a CI, does that affect your Deaf status?

jillio

saywhatkid

Funny thing; I never see any of the staff posting over here. I think they prefer to remove troublemakers to make the site easier to manage. I completely understand that perspective. Did you complain when "jillio" was gone for a month? If you did, I missed it. Feel free to direct me.

Face the facts; your audist views, coming from a full-hearing person, are about as popular as Rev Al Sharpton posting Black is Beautiful stuff on KKK websites. You flew into a deaf website and made announcing your audist views the only agenda. Did you really expect a welcoming?

There are a few others here that feel the same as you, and they aren't turning tail and hiding under their desk. Why are you? We can use the audists to help us gain strength in our anti-audism convictions. Anyhow, have a nice day. I assume you will return again under a new veil of secrecy. Good luck fooling the panel.

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jillio

See, here's the thing. I am puzzled as to why someone who insists that there is no difference between the deaf and the hearing in educational terms would be claiming that they want to be a TOD. If there is no difference, then we don't need deaf ed.

Likewise, if deaf and hearing are the same, why would you not promote equal testing instruments and situations for both groups? Why would you want to disadvantage the deaf by using instruments that were not designed for that population? Using tests normed on a hearing population certainly doesn't show the deaf in a good light. Their scores on these instruments are artificially low.

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The truth hurts....

jillio

I guess.

Being concerned for the state of deaf ed means being aware of and advocating against the unfair practices that have disadvantaged deaf kids in the educational system for so long. Or at least, that's the way I see it.

If I want my child to achieve on par with a hearing child, then one of the things I am going to insure is that testing and assessment used to determine his level of functiong provides accurate results and scores.

If, on the ohter hand, I want to just to appear to be hearing and "the same as everyone else" I will let him be tested innappropriately just to give that appearance.

Makes virtually no sense not to use tests that have validity for the deaf when testing deaf kids.

Buffalo

What about CODAs?? What are they? They grew up in the Deaf Culture.

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KristinaB

I was actually told by a few different places here in town, (The Deaf Service Center, The Hearing Wellness Center, The Palm Beach County Association of the Deaf, The Broward County Association of the Deaf and 2 representatives of the Florida Associations of the Deaf as well as 4 teachers from FSDB that ALL CODA's and PODA's who use ASL and participate in the Deaf Community are to be considered Deaf.

By that statement, Jillio is Deaf even though she is hearing.

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Buffalo

I would have to admit that when I read that a CODA considered herself as a Deaf. It was confusing to me. When Jillio explained the difference between 'sex' and 'gender'. I think Deaf is like the 'gender' and whether the person has hearing loss or not is more like the 'sex'.

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Berry

My experience with Deaf Communities in the past is that, like many other groups, each community has different standards. Some of those standards may include criteria that have nothing to do with hearing -- Such as belonging to a certain church or ethnic group or supporting a specific football team.


Thus if someone were to go where you live -- You, and the fellow members of your Deaf Community could determine who would be considered Deaf -- In your community. The Deaf Community across the street, or across town, may have an entirely different criteria.

But THIS is not your community until or unless you are accepted by it and you have no right to determine, or to question, who is, or who is not, a part of it.

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jillio

That is a great analogy! I love it!

deafskeptic

Speaking of CODAs, when I lived in Charlotte, I had a CODA terp and I met his sisters. They all consider themselves Deaf and they're all hearing.

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Berry

Keith Wann is a hearing CODA whose wife interprets his ASL into English.

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jillio

It would appear that Deafguy25 has much to learn about Deaf culture, despite claims of being DoD.

Buffalo

Or maybe he is really a hearing person who pretends to be a DoD.

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jillio

That would be the general consensus.

deafskeptic

Yep. He writes like hearing person pretending to be deaf.

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jillio

It is a bit disturbed when you think about it.

deafskeptic

Yep. It raises all kinds of questions about their characters.

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jillio

And motives.

deafskeptic

Yes, that too.

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Gma

The tests are modified depending on the mandates of the IEP. The Deaf children are being screwed because so few gives a damn!!!!!

2010/2011 SOL Results

We finally had the ability to require schools to educate Deaf children EQUALLY and they are now taking it away with waivers and Obama not wanting to making things so hard on school district that don't perform.

Slowly we turn......

jillio

They can't modify standardized testing based on the IEP. Only the test developers can do that, and it is a lengthy process.

shel90

wow...you got lots to learn about educating deaf children.

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shel90

She is Deaf but not deaf.

You know what I find ironic?

You said you grew up more involved with the hearing world because your parents didnt want to expose you to the Deaf community due to their lack of support towards them for implanting and mainstreaming you. Ok, we understand their feelings but from my understanding, your interaction with the Deaf community has been on a very minimal basis

Jillio, on the other hand, spent the last 20 plus years actively involved with the Deaf community and uses ASL in her daily life.

So, who is Deaf?

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Gma

Actually, the test are modified given the mandates of the IEP. If they need to have instructions signed....they are signed. If the scale of the font needs to be 24....then it is 24. If the child is blind do you expect them to fill in the blank. No, of course not. They also have what is alternative testing. This is for the child who legitimately can not take the "standard" test, yet their scores are counted and the material required to learn remains the same.

And if I have so much to learn....please teach me.

I live in a community that could give a rats ...... whether or not the Deaf children are educated....and this would include the deaf.