faire_jour

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if you place your child at a private school, the private school absolutely has the right to decide if and when the child is ready to be mainstreamed. They do not have to deal with the public schools at all.

what experience would that be?

Deafness

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That makes no sense at all.

faire_jour

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what part doesn't make sense?

if you place a child at a private school they are not required to mainstream a child at a certain level. The child can stay at the private school as long as the school and parent see fit.

jillio

Glad to hear it. I hope that the administration does not change and have other ideas regarding placement. You certainly have it much easier than the several states I have dealt with.

I'm sure you have said, but don't recall off the top of my head. Li-Li is soon to be 5, correct? Do they have her registered as a pre-K student or a K student?

jillio

Or until the child gets too old to attend the program. Private oral programs rarely go K-12. The vast majority don't even get a kid to middle school.

As long as YOU are paying the tuition to the private school, what you say is kind of accurate. However, if the home school is paying the tuition for the private placement, they can change placement any time they choose, at any point they choose, including in the middle of a school year.

The experience that includes 25 years of educational advocacy for all types of placements.

faire_jour

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as i said, if you have placed your child in a private school (not the iep team) they have full control of when the child is mainstream, which is exactly what i said before and you said no.

deafdyke

Grendel, that is SO AWESOME that you'll be able to keep her in the program without a huge hassle for elementary. How come they're closing the Randolph campus? That's kind of sad...it was the last remains of Boston School for the Deaf. They prolly had that as an option, since there may have been a sizable Deaf population there. (b/c of the fact that there's usually a lot of Deaf families in areas where there are Deaf Schools)
I do think most dhh kids need a few YEARS (meaning a few years in elementary programs) in a specialized setting (ie either Deaf School or Dhh program) before even thinking of mainstreaming.

jillo, I thought there were NO K-12 private oral schools? There are a handful of the middle school ones....and I remember from reading Volta Voices, that they used to REALLY push the Middle School at Clarke program.

faire_jour

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dd, this has already been discussed on this thread. There are a few schools that go through around age 13 (or eighth grade) and clarke goes all the way to 12th.

CSign

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what part doesn't make sense?



if you place a child at a private school they are not required to mainstream a child at a certain level. The child can stay at the private school as long as the school and parent see fit.
Or until the child gets too old to attend the program. Private oral programs rarely go K-12. The vast majority don't even get a kid to middle school.

As long as YOU are paying the tuition to the private school, what you say is kind of accurate. However, if the home school is paying the tuition for the private placement, they can change placement any time they choose, at any point they choose, including in the middle of a school year.

The experience that includes 25 years of educational advocacy for all types of placements." Jillio

The school cannot unilaterally change placement without parental consent. They can say they want to change it if they believe current placement is inappropriate. At that point parents can consent and change placement, or the child can "stay put" until the matter is resolved through mediation or due process.

For all the parents out there, you are an equal member of the IEP team and you and your child have rights. The school CANNOT unilaterally change placement without your consent.

posts from hell

If I paid for my child to go to a private school - i'd expect them to stay there becuz im paying for it. My money isnt going to them just so they can say "oh hey, your kid is ready for the mainstream!" one day....

And usually the reason people put students in private schools is because they usually are better than the mainstream as well.

jillio

Go back and re-read. Obviously, you are not interpreting the posts re: this topic properly.

Sweetie, I've been doing IEPs for deaf students no doubt longer than you have been able to say the word "deaf". You have a lot to learn.

CSign

I am not your sweetie. With that said, I've been able to say the word "deaf" since I was 2 so go crawl back into that hole you came out of.

And I hate to break it to you but you're wrong. A school cannot unilaterally change placement without parental consent. I feel bad for whatever families may have hired you as an advocate as you are mistaken.

jillio

My, my, but you are an angry woman. Why is it that you cannot manage to engage in a discussion without getting personally nasty?

Like I said, have been involved with this since you were able to say 'deaf."

Just keep believing that.

CSign

I'm giving you exactly what you've been giving me. You've gotten personally nasty with me, and many others. I've seen it for myself. And the fact of the matter is you are wrong about school being able to unilaterally change placement.

Bottesini

LSNJLAW - How You Can Appeal Your Child

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jillio

Please direct me to those posts.

As well as support your claim that I am wrong.

Bottesini

Parents' Rights - Quality Assurance Process (CA Dept of Education)

Here is the California law

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jillio

IDEA regulations are the same across all states. They are founded on Federal legislation.
I do not disagree with anything in your link. However, let's take a "for instance" situation.

A child is in a program that specifies, through their IEP, that they receive 10 hours of resource room time and 3 hours of language therapy per week in order to address goals stated in the IEP. The IEP team from the school determines that the child has met the goals, and the language therapy can now be discontinued, resource room time reduced to 5 hours, and the rest of the time the child is placed in a mainstream classroom with an FM system and preferential seating as the accommodations necessary. The parent disagrees with this. The parent has the right to take this to due process, but during the time that the due process hearing is being held, and the administrative law judge is making a determination, the child gets the accommodations that the school says are necessary. In effect, they have changed placement without the parent's consent, and they are fully within their legal rights.

CSign

The accomodations and services remain the same until the entire IEP team comes to an agreement, or an ALJ makes a determination. The school cannot unilaterally change placement and services without parental consent. Or an ALJ backing them up.

jillio

Whatever you say. You obviously know so much more than people who have been doing this for many, many years or those that have experienced it first hand. I am so looking forward to you educating all us poor ignorant folk.

Tell FJ we all said hello.

CSign

I am correct. Go verify for yourself through the laws and edcodes. Bottesini provided a few sources. Why do you keep yelling me to say hello to FJ? I don't know her, just like you don't know me. It's kind of sad you keep talking about the "ignorant folk." Why are you perpetuating a stereotype? I've seen you make comments like that before and it's unnecessary.

CSign

Haha. When I said "yelling" it was supposed to be "telling.".

faire_jour

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jillio are you saying that a school can unilaterally change a child's services or placement without a parent's consent?

in your example, you say "iep team" and parent as if the parent isn't a key member of the team.

also, if due process is started the student stays in their placement until it is resolved, the school can't change it.

shel90

You know what is sooooo ironic? Parents pay major bucks for these private schools due to the class sizes being small or so what I was told but yet, many parents are hesistant to send their children to deaf schools even though the class sizes are small as well but opt to mainstream their deaf children in classes with 30 plus kids.

Something to think about. Prejudice or ignorant views about Deaf schools, perhaps?

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faire_jour

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or perhaps they simply don't want what the deaf school is offering. The deaf school provides an asl enviroment, and if that is not what the parents want, why would they choose it?

AlleyCat

Why wouldn't they (want it)?

faire_jour

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most likely because their child doesn't use asl, but i am sure that every parent has different reasons. You would have to ask each family.

shel90

Again...it is evident that it is ABOUT the PARENTS, not about the CHILDREN! Nothing new.

How much more of that BS do we have to listen to? GEEZ!

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faire_jour

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just because you believe that asl solves all problems and has no downsides does not mean that others agree with you.

there is no way on earth that i am making these choices for me. I am doing everything in my power to make sure my child has every opportunity to reach her potential. I am not alone. Almost all parents are making the decisions that are best for their children.

i get it, you hate what your parents chose for you. It doesn't mean that everyone does. I know many oral deaf people who are happy they were raised orally.

this isn't about laziness, it is about disgreeing. Just because you believe one one is better, soesn't actually make it so.

(and yet shel will never see this because she has me on ignore. I suppose that is one way to make sure you are always right, to refuse to even listen to another opinion).

AlleyCat

No kidding. This stuff leaves me speechless sometimes.