vocational rehabilition - Page 2

**Oddball** · 12-27-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Because it is not practical nor cost efficient. VR is not there to help you experience a different world. They are there to get your butt a job. In that order, they will pay for college at the closest, most cost efficient institution available.

Well said! IF he wants to go to IVY league college/university, he has to pay tuition, fees, and etc on his own.

NorCal20 · 01-05-2011, 11:10 PM

he said himself is rich and he can afford to go there.

geez.

**Reba** · 01-06-2011, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NorCal20

he said himself is rich and he can afford to go there.

geez.

That's right. He said that his family is rich. So why does he even need VR?

**Reba** · 01-06-2011, 07:54 AM

The mission of VR is to provide an education for a deaf student so that student can get a job. It is NOT VR's mission to fulfill anyone's dreams of social status or to find an Ivy spouse. That you have to do on your own dime (or mommy and daddy's dimes).

If your parents want you to get an Ivy League bride, let them pay for it. VR is not a matchmaker service.

dogmom · 01-06-2011, 08:06 AM

I remember going through DVR when I was in college. All their requirements, paperwork, etc is geared toward providing the client with "employ-ability".
Not fulfilling grand desires or escapes.

**Reba** · 01-06-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

I remember going through DVR when I was in college. All their requirements, paperwork, etc is geared toward providing the client with "employ-ability".
Not fulfilling grand desires or escapes.

Exactly.

dogmom · 01-06-2011, 10:45 AM

Reba

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 11:00 AM

Hey, I just had good talk with friend of mine the other day. He shared me the story which proves that BS degree isn't always the answer.

He said that his dad is now retired from GM, mind you GM is huge corporation yes, General Motors, or you can call it Government Motors... Anyway, his dad used to be an engineer at GM. Guess what he got to get in GM as an engineer? Nope, it is not BS degree as he don't have one! He got in because he got experience working starting at rock bottom, climbing right into engineer dept and got job there with fat salary (over $100K a year) and no BS degree!

He said that BS degree might jumpstart faster but does not guarantee anything.

Also, one of my longtime friend was shocked that I had a good job without any college degree, he told me that the guy I used to be with 25 years ago had complete BS degree 25 years ago and still no job. We suspect that because he refused to start bottom and wants to go straight to the top of the ladder. It didn't work for him, and as of right now STILL unemployed. (Yup, he is Deaf too)

To get nice pay, need to earn it and work for it. That is all it takes.

**Jiro** · 01-06-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Hey, I just had good talk with friend of mine the other day. He shared me the story which proves that BS degree isn't always the answer.

He said that his dad is now retired from GM, mind you GM is huge corporation yes, General Motors, or you can call it Government Motors... Anyway, his dad used to be an engineer at GM. Guess what he got to get in GM as an engineer? Nope, it is not BS degree as he don't have one! He got in because he got experience working starting at rock bottom, climbing right into engineer dept and got job there with fat salary (over $100K a year) and no BS degree!

He said that BS degree might jumpstart faster but does not guarantee anything.

Also, one of my longtime friend was shocked that I had a good job without any college degree, he told me that the guy I used to be with 25 years ago had complete BS degree 25 years ago and still no job. We suspect that because he refused to start bottom and wants to go straight to the top of the ladder. It didn't work for him, and as of right now STILL unemployed. (Yup, he is Deaf too)

To get nice pay, need to earn it and work for it. That is all it takes.

to make your BS degree a guarantee - all you gotta do is prove it. Many people don't...

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 11:25 AM

There is no such thing as guarantee attached to BS degree. You could ask any college and university to see if they offer guarnatees. I highly doubt it. you will find one.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

to make your BS degree a guarantee - all you gotta do is prove it. Many people don't...

Tousi · 01-06-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

There is no such thing as guarantee attached to BS degree. You could ask any college and university to see if they offer guarnatees. I highly doubt it. you will find one.

I'm pretty sure Jiro's response to you means that he agrees with you...he just used different words....

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 12:21 PM

Yep, just that word Guarantees should never be used when it comes to earn BS degree. However it does improve chances of getting better job which would be better approach instead of using "Guarantee" Because if using term "Guarantee" would give false sense of security to somebody who earns Degree.

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I'm pretty sure Jiro's response to you means that he agrees with you...he just used different words....

**Jiro** · 01-06-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

There is no such thing as guarantee attached to BS degree. You could ask any college and university to see if they offer guarnatees. I highly doubt it. you will find one.

What tousi said.

You believe in working hard for it. That's what I'm saying. Many people don't work hard for it despite of receiving degree. Nobody's interested in lazy people - degree or not.

For those graduating from colleges... many students who worked hard have no problem finding jobs. They're very hire-able. Why? Because it's hard to find good reliable skillful people.

So many useless people.... so few useful people....

**Jiro** · 01-06-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Yep, just that word Guarantees should never be used when it comes to earn BS degree. However it does improve chances of getting better job which would be better approach instead of using "Guarantee" Because if using term "Guarantee" would give false sense of security to somebody who earns Degree.

in other word... they're never gonna get a job? ever?

It's really a guarantee that they'll get a job after earning a degree.... even as McDonald manager

Does it have to be a high-paying job? Nah.

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 12:48 PM

Understand what you mean, sometimes people don't get it that is why it is very important to use word carefully.

When you said its guaranteed, then some people *DO* misunderstand and increased their expectation which means when you say guaranteed, then a person said alright let me go to school and get degree.... after 4 years passed, and that person said why I can't get job? I thought you said guaranteed. Get the drift?

I learned in the past that when you said it even with good intention, some people do get wrong idea. That is why choosing word is very important, and it can defend yourself if you say it right.

20 years ago, I asked few successfully people how they made it. They all said same thing, work HARD. I then ask, does it guarantee success, all of them said "No guarantees". I asked why no guarantees? They all simply said, anything can change so future is pretty much unpredictable, so we can't guaranteed anything. After that with experience, I understood what they really mean.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

in other word... they're never gonna get a job? ever?

It's really a guarantee that they'll get a job after earning a degree.... even as McDonald manager

Does it have to be a high-paying job? Nah.

**Jiro** · 01-06-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Understand what you mean, sometimes people don't get it that is why it is very important to use word carefully.

WHen you said its guaranteed, then some people *DO* misunderstand and increased their expectation which means when you say guaranteed, then a person said alright let me go to school and get degree.... after 4 years passed, and that person said why I can't get job? I thought you said guaranteed. Get the drift?

I learned in the past that when you said it even with good intention, some people do get wrong idea. That is why choosing word is very important, and it can defend yourself if you say it right.

like I said - they have to prove it... by working hard as you said. Just cuz they graduate from college doesn't mean jack. If we were in Clinton Era, yea it was pretty much a guarantee even for a lazy student.

If people still get the wrong idea about college degree = $$$ job... then they're definitely naive and they should learn how to mop the floor to get a dosage of reality.

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 12:54 PM

Yup

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Originally Posted by Jiro

like I said - they have to prove it... by working hard as you said. Just cuz they graduate from college doesn't mean jack. If we were in Clinton Era, yea it was pretty much a guarantee even for a lazy student.

If people still get the wrong idea about college degree = $$$ job... then they're definitely naive and they should learn how to mop the floor to get a dose of reality.

**Reba** · 01-06-2011, 01:14 PM

A degree is useful for satisfying minimum job requirements but it's no guarantee of either getting a job or succeeding in a job. The knowledge and skills that one learns while pursuing a degree can be useful in succeeding at one's career.

diehardbiker · 01-06-2011, 01:36 PM

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Reba

A degree is useful for satisfying minimum job requirements but it's no guarantee of either getting a job or succeeding in a job. The knowledge and skills that one learns while pursuing a degree can be useful in succeeding at one's career.

jillio · 01-07-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

There is no such thing as guarantee attached to BS degree. You could ask any college and university to see if they offer guarnatees. I highly doubt it. you will find one.

Nope. No guarantees. Just changes the probabilities.

scwids · 01-08-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The mission of VR is to provide an education for a deaf student so that student can get a job. It is NOT VR's mission to fulfill anyone's dreams of social status or to find an Ivy spouse. That you have to do on your own dime (or mommy and daddy's dimes).

If your parents want you to get an Ivy League bride, let them pay for it. VR is not a matchmaker service.

Speedy Hawk · 01-13-2011, 03:13 PM

My univeristy just says that having degree helps you have wider choice of jobs but not guaranteed to get job. Because some of jobs ask you for degree, and it just gives you more options.

scottw · 01-16-2011, 08:47 PM

Sigh, I read all of their who has problem with VR. VR won't pay me from Gallaudet University.

I have 7,400.00 student loan. I failed the Gallaudet University. God has plan me go other NTID is better for me. VR won't pay me. Because Government has no money.

But it goes not have review your own background. Because it is your goal what you want to success of college. Many deaf who dream come true. You want to become a doctor, you want to become a Architecture, you want become a business, and etc. I don't care who deaf go to Gallaudet, NTID, and other college.

What you gonna do if VR won't pay. First, you go get complaint file, talk to ADA lawyer, or talk to higher VR management can help you.

Or

If you want to do student loan, you better put in Education investor to help you save money to grow fast after 4 years or so. You will be graduation. You get your save out of your bank. Then you paid all student loan as you need. it will help reduce your money. And find a job. Now happy!

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diehardbiker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In back of Superduty Posts: 11,252	Hey, I just had good talk with friend of mine the other day. He shared me the story which proves that BS degree isn't always the answer. He said that his dad is now retired from GM, mind you GM is huge corporation yes, General Motors, or you can call it Government Motors... Anyway, his dad used to be an engineer at GM. Guess what he got to get in GM as an engineer? Nope, it is not BS degree as he don't have one! He got in because he got experience working starting at rock bottom, climbing right into engineer dept and got job there with fat salary (over $100K a year) and no BS degree! He said that BS degree might jumpstart faster but does not guarantee anything. Also, one of my longtime friend was shocked that I had a good job without any college degree, he told me that the guy I used to be with 25 years ago had complete BS degree 25 years ago and still no job. We suspect that because he refused to start bottom and wants to go straight to the top of the ladder. It didn't work for him, and as of right now STILL unemployed. (Yup, he is Deaf too) To get nice pay, need to earn it and work for it. That is all it takes. __________________ J-MAC's quote: "People who try and fail are more superior than people who don't try at all" "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson (1778) Avatar picture is Cape Hatteras light house in OBX.

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01-06-2011, 07:54 AM	#34 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,151	The mission of VR is to provide an education for a deaf student so that student can get a job. It is NOT VR's mission to fulfill anyone's dreams of social status or to find an Ivy spouse. That you have to do on your own dime (or mommy and daddy's dimes). If your parents want you to get an Ivy League bride, let them pay for it. VR is not a matchmaker service.

01-06-2011, 08:06 AM	#35 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	I remember going through DVR when I was in college. All their requirements, paperwork, etc is geared toward providing the client with "employ-ability". Not fulfilling grand desires or escapes.

01-06-2011, 10:45 AM	#37 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	Reba

01-06-2011, 01:14 PM	#48 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,151	A degree is useful for satisfying minimum job requirements but it's no guarantee of either getting a job or succeeding in a job. The knowledge and skills that one learns while pursuing a degree can be useful in succeeding at one's career.

01-13-2011, 03:13 PM	#52 (permalink)
Speedy Hawk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: England Posts: 816	My univeristy just says that having degree helps you have wider choice of jobs but not guaranteed to get job. Because some of jobs ask you for degree, and it just gives you more options.

01-16-2011, 08:47 PM	#53 (permalink)
scottw Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Crestview, Florida Posts: 975	Sigh, I read all of their who has problem with VR. VR won't pay me from Gallaudet University. I have 7,400.00 student loan. I failed the Gallaudet University. God has plan me go other NTID is better for me. VR won't pay me. Because Government has no money. But it goes not have review your own background. Because it is your goal what you want to success of college. Many deaf who dream come true. You want to become a doctor, you want to become a Architecture, you want become a business, and etc. I don't care who deaf go to Gallaudet, NTID, and other college. What you gonna do if VR won't pay. First, you go get complaint file, talk to ADA lawyer, or talk to higher VR management can help you. Or If you want to do student loan, you better put in Education investor to help you save money to grow fast after 4 years or so. You will be graduation. You get your save out of your bank. Then you paid all student loan as you need. it will help reduce your money. And find a job. Now happy!