Daredevel7

You wouldn't even look at other deaf schools? Just automatically place your child in the state school for the deaf in whatever state you are in?

Yea I suppose we do have different views. I would feel like I am putting my child's education at risk for the sake of the betterment of a whole school. One can always still volunteer at the deaf school whether their child is there or not.

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Daredevel7

Har har....

You are correct that I did not have to think or worry about welfare growing up. I was fortunate. However, I think I was aware of welfare, just didn't think it would apply to me.

I am sure if my family was very poor, my life would be drastically different.

flip

Good questions. If parents want their kids to go to a "good/elite" bilingual school, and it does not happen to one nearby, they would have to move.

Lighthouse77

Honestly, I really don't see the difference between mainstreamed and deaf school when it comes to deaf. Except the language. Just like I don't see the difference between school for the blind and mainstreamed, other than they do things in brailles. To me, when people criticize deaf schools, they are actually criticizing ASL. It's like criticizing blind school, when they are actually criticizing the method they are using -- brailles. When people won't acknowledge what deaf people need, it make it very hard from them to grow and thrive. Which is why many mainstreamed kids are already behind, and deaf school are trying to help them catch up. I'm fine with them mainstreaming, but oral-only is not the answer for them and only put them behind even in deaf school if the parents decides that mainstream/oral school isn't working out for them. They have to play catch up.

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Daredevel7

You are right, there is no difference. Same thing as if a hearing parent sees a hearing school that sucks, they will not send the hearing child to that school.

Deaf schools aren't immune to the suckability.

(I know I made up that word...)

Just saying that to me, there is a difference between doing something about the suckability of a school and actually sending a child to a sucky school.

Lighthouse77

refusing to teach deaf kids ASL is bad for the kid and bad for the deaf school because they can't be advanced if the students don't know ASL (they have to keep things simple). Parents can teach them to be verbal all they want, but don't refuse ASL, they might need it.

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Bottesini

Do you know of any oral only dhh programs in the public schools today?

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Lighthouse77

Most public schools don't have d/hh programs- they only have IEP and LD classes. And parents don't want to move. Do you realize that?

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Bottesini

Every sizable town has a dhh program. Of course it isn't in every school in the district.

Yes I know a great deal about it. From the things you keep writing, I am under the impression you don't have a clue.

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Lighthouse77

I don't know what you are talking about. there's probably alot more dhh today that aren't oral-only, but people still practice it, especially with CI

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faire_jour

I agree Daredevil. I wouldn't sacrifice my child's education for a political idea.

faire_jour

My daughter attends one.

shel90

Then if I place my child at a mainstreamed program and have him/her constantly miss out on education?

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shel90

Then you have heard of it. Just like deaf people have heard of SSI.

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shel90

Montgomery county public schools in MD has one. Lighthouse is right...many deaf children are mainstreamed without being around other deaf kids.

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Bottesini

I was not talking about mainstream. So no. As I am sure you know, a dhh program is not mainstream, although it occurs in a public school system.

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shel90

I know you weren t talking about mainstreaming. You were talking about oral dhh programs in public schools, correct? If so, I was responding by saying that I dont think there are many of those because most of the time a deaf child who is straight out oral will most likely be mainstreamed full time. Otherwise, they would have a dhh program that is labeled as TC. BiBi dhh programs are rare in public schools too.

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Bottesini

Yes , that I know. What I don't think Lighthouse knows the difference is mainstream and a dhh program. That is my point.

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shel90

Oh ok..sorry for the confusion.

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sallylou

I don't think that Shel is talking about a political idea. She is trained as a teacher, like I am. I think that she's talking about developmental issues, including emotional and social needs. Teachers and moms are concerned about developmental issues. Shel, could you please clarify?

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shel90

Yes, you got that correct. I dont know what politics have to do with anything anyway.

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shel90

I guess I have that view because my brother went to a deaf school that was considered sucky and many of his peers grew up with that negative view of themselves but yet, he is getting his Master's. He never had to grow up experiencing the crappy life I did being constantly frustrated and with a negative view of himself as a "broken" hearing person. I absulotely would refuse to do that to a deaf child of mine if I had one.

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Lighthouse77

I know the difference. That's why I don't know what you are talking about.

When kids say they are mainstreamed, I find that some of them didn't go to dhh program. I never consider D/HH as mainstreaming unless they share class with hearing people.

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faire_jour

Why wouldn't you give them an interpreter?

Bottesini

You took her out of the deaf school?

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Lighthouse77

Can a deaf child look at the board while a hearing teacher is showing step by step math, and look at the interpreter at the same time?
I think it is better if the teacher sign, then write on the board, go back to sign to explain... than a child trying to go back and forth from teacher to interpreter back to teacher.

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shel90

Ummm I would rather have my child to have full access to language and communication at all times than depending on a person constantly to communicate.

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faire_jour

Politics meaning the idea that all deaf kids should use ASL as their language of instruction and that all deaf children require a specialized education that can only be accomplished at a Deaf bi-bi school.

If my local Deaf school was graduating kids who can't read and write, I would NOT allow my child to go to that school, just because Deaf kids *should* go to Deaf schools.

faire_jour

She currently attends the state school for the deaf, self-contained oral deaf program. It is in a hearing school.

Bottesini

I thought so. I am speaking strictly of dhh programs in public schools.

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