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Old 11-04-2009, 11:55 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That is interesting. I would take #2 because I know she will do a better job. Candidate one is really a hearing person in thought, manner, and deed.
In our experience, the choice was:

A profoundly deaf person who had grown up 100% oral, with a younger brother who was also oral. He has learned ASL well, but does NOT respect people who are ASL only, and has made fun of another Deaf person (who is a college professor) because of the way he "writes Deaf".

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A woman who grew up with a Deaf friend in childhood. She went to school and became an interpreter. She then served a 2 year signing church mission. She worked for several years as an educational interpreter, and then finished school to become a Teacher of the Deaf. She is an amazing signer, and she believes with all her heart that all children with a hearing loss should be given ASL. (She was our first contact after Miss Kat got ID'ed, she is why we made the choices we did.) In fact, she got in trouble by the PIP program because all of her families were using sign, so they believed she wasn't being "unbiased" toward AVT. (Truth is she was just sharing all the facts)

Who is better, deaf or hearing?
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:26 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The 2nd 1, the hearing 1. She is helping deaf kids and their families by being honest and giving the correct facts. I agree, children need sign language to help and to help them get a better grasp of English

The deaf person WOULD be ideal in some cases since they have a first hand experience of deafness, but to me the 1st person doesnt sound like a appropriate person as they do not respect people who are ASL only. People and children are different, some need ASL, some prefer Oral, it depends on their preferred communication method but i would stick with number 2.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:40 PM   #33 (permalink)
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That is interesting. I would take #2 because I know she will do a better job. Candidate one is really a hearing person in thought, manner, and deed.
Ditto here.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:41 PM   #34 (permalink)
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In our experience, the choice was:

A profoundly deaf person who had grown up 100% oral, with a younger brother who was also oral. He has learned ASL well, but does NOT respect people who are ASL only, and has made fun of another Deaf person (who is a college professor) because of the way he "writes Deaf".

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A woman who grew up with a Deaf friend in childhood. She went to school and became an interpreter. She then served a 2 year signing church mission. She worked for several years as an educational interpreter, and then finished school to become a Teacher of the Deaf. She is an amazing signer, and she believes with all her heart that all children with a hearing loss should be given ASL. (She was our first contact after Miss Kat got ID'ed, she is why we made the choices we did.) In fact, she got in trouble by the PIP program because all of her families were using sign, so they believed she wasn't being "unbiased" toward AVT. (Truth is she was just sharing all the facts)

Who is better, deaf or hearing?

of course, the second one you described. Like i said, i rather anyone who do familiar with Deaf kids' needs and have deaf friends as well.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:11 AM   #35 (permalink)
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wow, i was mentioned in this thread. *feels flattered*
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I'll be honest here - If you're really a seasoned deaf person you can tell who was taught by who and where and what.

I can identify which program interpreters graduated from. I can tell if a person was taught by a hearing person or a deaf person.

its all about the finer things... I dunno how to explain it but there is a difference.
We were only talking about you because you may or may not be perverted

But I think I know what you mean -- I can always tell home schooled children from standard (I mean, public or private) schooled children based on little things too. How they interact with other kids, how they interact with adults, how they frame their questions, how they talk about themselves. It's hard to explain it, but it's very noticeable to me.

Is that kind of what you mean?
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:13 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I've also been thinking of persuing Deaf Education (3rd or 4th grade). I've gotten a lot of different opinions on hearing teachers for deaf students. But I hope to satisfy both sides by going in depth with my Deaf Culture studies. I'm attending a community college right now and have a guaranteed transfer to Gallaudet next year. I will be attending for three to four years (after I recieve my Associates from my community college) studying ASL, Culture, Interpreting, and Deaf Education. I want people to know I mean business
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:18 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Ooo, that was easy Reba, even for a Late Deafened Person. lol
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:52 PM   #38 (permalink)
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How about this question... "Is it okay to have a deaf teacher for hearing students?"

If deaf people are going to demand that we be fair and let deaf people be teachers for hearing students, then the respect should be shown the other way around as well.
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:47 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I've had three deaf teachers and I'm hearing! They've been some of the best I've had!
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:50 AM   #40 (permalink)
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me personally - have had one hearing teacher - before I was hoh and now Deaf teacher<s> and enjoy more and learn more from Deaf teachers.

I guess I personally can see how having a Deaf teacher teaching Deaf students would really help the students because of the shared perspective and experience. Not saying hearing "shouldn't" teach Deaf - but I can understand if that is preference-
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:02 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I dont care if the teachers of the Deaf are hearing or deaf. I just care that they are sensitive to deaf children's needs, respect ASL, and the Deaf community as important factors in their students' lives. If a teacher sees the deaf children as hearing and tries to teach them using approaches appropriate for hearing children only, then they shouldn't be in the field of deaf education.
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:07 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I've had three deaf teachers and I'm hearing! They've been some of the best I've had!
But what were they allowed to teach you?

Have you had a deaf math or science teacher?

It will be really good for you to go to Gallaudet. I am happy you will get that experience in Deaf immersion.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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But what were they allowed to teach you?

Have you had a deaf math or science teacher?

It will be really good for you to go to Gallaudet. I am happy you will get that experience in Deaf immersion.

Well, one was for ASL. Another was for Psychology and another for US History!

And I feel like I need to be immersed in the culture fully understand it, just my opinion. You can't simply major in ASL or Interpreting and think that you know everything, right?
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Yes and I notice that is people who became deaf later who don't think a deaf person would be a better teacher for a deaf student. (And this is not sarcasm, but my more polite anwser the question.)
I must not be among the normal. I am late deafened and I feel that a deaf intructor would be better for me. I'm not saying it would be better for everyone, just for me.

I am teaching myself individual signs and will be having a deaf ASL instructor help me from there.
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How about this question... "Is it okay to have a deaf teacher for hearing students?"

If deaf people are going to demand that we be fair and let deaf people be teachers for hearing students, then the respect should be shown the other way around as well.
One man in my deaf club is a Spanish teacher at a local high school. It seems he is adored by his students. His classes are split between both hearing and deaf.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:39 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I don't think it is a problem as long as you are qualified.
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I don't think it is a problem as long as you are qualified.
In California all you need is teacher's credentials and a rudimentary knowledge of the subject. I met a teacher of sign language who classed himself as deaf and insisted on SimCom because he maintained deaf people wanted to read your lips in order to better understand.

Now I can think of reasons to use SimCom, but that is not one of them.

Sort of like teachers who need to understand calculus in order to teach kindergarten but are taught little or nothing about the basic psychology of six year olds.

Or like the time I passed a written test that qualified me to run a chainsaw -- But I had never held on in my hands and did not know how to start it.
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