I have SO many questions...

Adamsmomma · 03-13-2009, 09:38 AM

Ok first of all I am new to the deaf culture- in that my son is the one who is HOH/Deaf and not myself- so these are things I have never had to think about and I'm not trying to be condecending or anything-- PLEASE understand that when you read this-- these are things that as a mom I'm questioning... so I can understand and better help my son...

Ok I hope I put this in a way that doesn't upset anyone...

How do you teach a deaf child to read?? I know how difficult it is for my 22 y/o brother who has a processing disorder and a Very MILD a hearing loss, I can't imagine how much more difficult it is for a deaf child to learn... since reading is about sounds and putting those sounds together-- if a child has never heard those sounds... how do you do it?? Memorization?? Visual cues?

My son is not even a year old yet but I am having starting to look into things for his future, schools, teaching methods, etc... and this just struck me-- since language is so much sound and not a visual thing how will he learn to read?? Math-- you can use visual tactile aids, etc...

Again Please please know I'm just a mom who's starting to think about her son's future- and wants honest open answers... I'm not looking to upset or hurt anyone's feelings... I'm just quite honestly IGNORANT about this!!

THANK YOU THANK YOU for any answers or light anyone can shed on this for me!

Daredevel7 · 03-13-2009, 10:12 AM

Sigh.. you came at a bad timing. The person who knows a lot about this is banned for a month. Hopefully someone else can answer you.

I'll try my best to answer based on the random info I got from this forum and articles I've read. Words usually are memorized cognitively by both deaf and hearing. When you read, you basically look at the word as a whole. There are some books that associate words with signs, but you should be able to teach him to read with pictures associated. I am not sure how your son communicates right now (talking, sign?).

Obviously, the best information you can get is with a deaf education teacher who would have experience on teaching little deaf kids to read.

zerodog · 03-13-2009, 12:27 PM

It is nice to know who care...

I want input, may throw words a advise and you decide...

Most important is listen what child is upset from school due peer pressure from teacher or whatever reason. For example; not understand why he get trouble for what... that something to pay attention.

About Reading...

I encourage you to start sign as you should sign correct... if he not sign right, don't pressure.. it part of process learning until correct sign. Also give basic book with lot visual without word for start. For example point monkey and sign monkey and point at one a time. My advise about those story ensure you will tell story word to word. If you want him to learn speak, if not speak clear and it can be worthless. Due, I have see parents force kid to learn and do speak which I heard sound not clear. I do not like to see hearing behind their back and mock due speech incorrect.

Again, ALWAYS! ALWAYS check on child to write sentence like... "write a letter to your grandma what you want for birthday." Always check on sentence if the sentence alert or not clear. Due the teacher doesn't always tell you some teacher who passive to teach and ensure deaf student get proper educate and they do tell you. When my parent discover that I don't write very well or not reading. I start able read when I was 14 years old.

My weak area is past and present...

Also, word some advise to give your child to read novel book not regular book due not right sentence in some author wrote the book. I don't see nothing wrong but novel is better maybe one time a year unless he is interesting read book.

I can understand you concerned about child future because you should! Also word of advise about scholarship include that part of his future too.

Keep that mind, we have better technology such as videophone, you can look Sorenson VRS® or Viable.net Homepage and so on. So it can use for child benefit in right age or when he start make friend with hearing people that will start key input communicate...

Remember... do your best and let child know that you are doing your best. Let child know if he need anything and let you know.

Good luck

JamieLynn · 03-13-2009, 01:10 PM

Unfortunately I can't help you with your questions (I'm a hearie and don't know anybody that is deaf / hoh...)

The only advise I could give you is that your child is going to give you the signs whether he wants to learn to read, how he progresses, etc. Deaf education teacher is in my POV very imporant (as I could read here through the board already).

Not sure if BraydensMom or Chris' Mom will be able to help you?

I am not sure...

I simply wanted to point out that it is wonderful to see mothers (parents!) already trying to get information way ahead of time!

That's all I wanted to say... Oh... and I'm sure a couple more people will drop in a line or two for further advise

Jamie

Bottesini · 03-13-2009, 01:42 PM

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since reading is about sounds and putting those sounds together-- if a child has never heard those sounds... how do you do it?? Memorization?? Visual cues?

Reading is not about sounds and putting sounds together. Reading is deciphering symbols.

Letters and words are patterns of symbols and you decipher them just as you do signs.

Notice, please I and many other deaf people are here reading your posts and writing back to you.

Therefore we did learn to read and write and sound had not much to do with it.

Adamsmomma · 03-13-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Reading is not about sounds and putting sounds together. Reading is deciphering symbols.

Letters and words are patterns of symbols and you decipher them just as you do signs.

Notice, please I and many other deaf people are here reading your posts and writing back to you.

Therefore we did learn to read and write and sound had not much to do with it.

I guess I learned by phonics... so that's what I am used to using to teach to read... and that's what I think of, ya know?? sounding out the letters to make the words... that's what had me so confused... I was thinking about it the other night~ and thought- "how will adam sound the words out if he doesn't know what the sounds are..."

JamieLynn · 03-13-2009, 01:55 PM

I see it the same way... We are hearing and it depends on how we were taught to read! At least that's what I think... For me when I read a word, there is a sound behind it...

Deaf / hoh children have to be taught different, just like blind people need to learn that whatever they are touching, there is a word to it (HA maybe you can help me here if you are reading this?).

I know that Jonas (my eldest nephew - hearie) has troubles reading out loud, but when he is asked to read a text to himself and later explain what he read, then he can tell you about what he read. Reading out loud, he's slooooow and has noooo clue what he is reading... it's weird.... I have never seen this on a child. My friend (the mother) is also confused about that. Maybe it sort of the same

but she has appointment with a therapist about that matter... See how that goes!

Jamie

Adamsmomma · 03-13-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamieLynn

I see it the same way... We are hearing and it depends on how we were taught to read! At least that's what I think... For me when I read a word, there is a sound behind it...

Deaf / hoh children have to be taught different, just like blind people need to learn that whatever they are touching, there is a word to it (HA maybe you can help me here if you are reading this?).

I know that Jonas (my eldest nephew - hearie) has troubles reading out loud, but when he is asked to read a text to himself and later explain what he read, then he can tell you about what he read. Reading out loud, he's slooooow and has noooo clue what he is reading... it's weird.... I have never seen this on a child. My friend (the mother) is also confused about that. Maybe it sort of the same

but she has appointment with a therapist about that matter... See how that goes!

Jamie

Jamie,

my brother is that way!! He has Central Auditory Processing Disorder-- so his brain doesn't process things the same... he also has a hard time reading from books- but on a computer screen he can read~~ I used to help him write his papers b/c he can't spell well at all b/c he can't process the indivdual sounds... he's struggled for years.. he was 14 before we figured out the problem... he's 22 now and still struggles-- although he is EXTREMELY intelligent and can fix any pc problem-- and taught me Probability and Stats in my college classes when he was only 16!!

I guess I see how it's different and difficult for him~ not 'hearing' things the way we do-- that it makes me wonder how Adam will do it...

JamieLynn · 03-13-2009, 05:56 PM

We are probably OT here, regarding your thread question but I just wanted to add one more thing. Jonas is going to be eight years old in May, 2nd grade and still learning words... He has no speech problem at all too. Reading on his own and out loud just isn't the same. I might check out the Central Auditory Processing Disorder on the web out of pure interest, just in case...

Thanks for your little input! It's great to see you investing so much time in both your son (that you decided to adopt nonetheless!) and your brother!

<hug> Jamie

shel90 · 03-13-2009, 06:14 PM

I am a certified deaf education teacher and I am deaf myself. I will get back to your questions later because I had a busy day at work and I am too tired to think. Glad u are asking these questions now.

Wish more parents were like u.

deafdyke · 03-13-2009, 10:15 PM

I'm hoh, and basicly taught myself to read ONE YEAR after I got my hearing aids. . Sounds are a part of reading, but not the whole thing. It's more about decoding syntax and grammar.

Bottesini · 03-13-2009, 11:09 PM

Chair

I differ. No sound involved. The letters are a symbol that equals the picture.

Babyblue · 03-13-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Chair

I differ. No sound involved. The letters are a symbol that equals the picture.

Deaf people learn by sight. Just like Blind people learn by touch, On written languages.

Bottesini · 03-13-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Deaf people learn by sight. Just like Blind people learn by touch, On written languages.

Yes maam. I was furiously arguing with DeafDyke, while practicing my polite social skills.

I said it before and I don't know why she said that.

Babyblue · 03-13-2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Yes maam. I was furiously arguing with DeafDyke, while practicing my polite social skills.

I said it before and I don't know why she said that.

OH really!?

Man oh man! I missed that one.

That is one of the first things they teach us...as "Pre School Teachers". The basic knowledge of teaching.

ALL KIDS learn by Sight, Hearing, or Touch at first. That is why sensory play is so important. Then learn by memory.
Whatever sense becomes the dominate one, is the sense that will follow the memory. That being, is how they will learn. Regardless....

I am sure other teachers on this board can concur with that.

Reba · 03-14-2009, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Chair

I differ. No sound involved. The letters are a symbol that equals the picture.

That is the look-see or look-say whole language method of reading, which depends on memorizing words. It doesn't use phonics for sounding out words.

Reba · 03-14-2009, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Yes maam. I was furiously arguing with DeafDyke, while practicing my polite social skills.

I said it before and I don't know why she said that.

The controversy of "whole language" or "look-see" reading method vs. "phonics" reading method has been around for many years; it's not just you and Deafdyke.

Whole Language vs. Phonics Reading Instruction

Teach a Child to Read - Phonics vs Whole Language

Look-see, look-say, whole language reading method vs. phonics; OBE, behavioral psychology, lack of academics, and ultimate failure; John Dewey.

SuperKids Software Review - Phonics vs. Whole Language: Which is Better?

Reading Wars: Phonics vs. Whole Language

http://www.accelerated-achievement.com/realphonics.htm

Bottesini · 03-14-2009, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

That is the look-see or look-say whole language method of reading, which depends on memorizing words. It doesn't use phonics for sounding out words.

Yes and it is how I read, and you have to admit I am obviously good at it.

So it works!

Bottesini · 03-14-2009, 02:12 PM

I don't really have any more to say but notice Shel90 here so bumping this up in hopes she will explain to the OP you don't need sound to read.

shel90 · 03-14-2009, 02:24 PM

Nope, u dont need sound to read..if that was the case, then we wouldnt have hearing people who are illiterate. Reading is a complex process and involves different strategies to use. My concern for your child is ensuring that he is establishing a strong first language so he can be ready to read by the time he is 5 years old and ASL is the only language fully accessible to deaf/hoh children. I would also encourage incorporating some spoken English to see if he does understand some of it but not as the only source of language for his language development.

Then, once he has established a strong language foundation base which is usually by the age of 3 and half to 4, you can start fingerspelling and pointing the alphabet so he can make the connection between the signs and the letters, then once he has established that, then start the sandwich method which is fingerspelling the words, signing the words, showing the word in printed form, and then back to fingerspelling the words. That helps with developing his English vocabulary.

Then, start h reading books that have simple and repeative sentences to him and important, show him the words and the fingerspelled words constantly.

All of that is strongly empasized for deaf children in their pre-school and kindergarten ages. That way they will be ready to do some reading and writing by the time they enter first grade.

Unfortunately, in my experience, we get the children from the public schools especially oral programs who werent able to establish a strong first language due to spoken English not being fully accessible to them and end up with no language when entering shool impeding their ability to develop literacy skills. That's why I strongly believe in the BiBi approach.

Adamsmomma · 03-14-2009, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Yes and it is how I read, and you have to admit I am obviously good at it.

So it works!

I think this is how my mom was taught (and she's hearing) but of course from a differnent school of teaching... I came along into reading at the time when phonics was new and 'the way'... and that's what confused me so much-- you know?

I'm not saying one way or another is better-- infact I think my brother w/CAPD would have done better being taught by sight because he doesn't process the sounds properly... for example he had to call me from work last night to ask me how to spell elevator b/c he couldn't sound it out for a work order he had to put in... but until I started thinking about how would Adam learn w/out hearing... I never considered any way other than how I was taught-- ya know...

So that's why I had to ask... and now it's making some more sense to me... I dont totally get it yet but I'm getting there!! THank you for the information and for helping me see outside my box

Adamsmomma · 03-14-2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

Nope, u dont need sound to read..if that was the case, then we wouldnt have hearing people who are illiterate. Reading is a complex process and involves different strategies to use. My concern for your child is ensuring that he is establishing a strong first language so he can be ready to read by the time he is 5 years old and ASL is the only language fully accessible to deaf/hoh children. I would also encourage incorporating some spoken English to see if he does understand some of it but not as the only source of language for his language development.

Then, once he has established a strong language foundation base which is usually by the age of 3 and half to 4, you can start fingerspelling and pointing the alphabet so he can make the connection between the signs and the letters, then once he has established that, then start the sandwich method which is fingerspelling the words, signing the words, showing the word in printed form, and then back to fingerspelling the words. That helps with developing his English vocabulary.

Then, start h reading books that have simple and repeative sentences to him and important, show him the words and the fingerspelled words constantly.

All of that is strongly empasized for deaf children in their pre-school and kindergarten ages. That way they will be ready to do some reading and writing by the time they enter first grade.

Unfortunately, in my experience, we get the children from the public schools especially oral programs who werent able to establish a strong first language due to spoken English not being fully accessible to them and end up with no language when entering shool impeding their ability to develop literacy skills. That's why I strongly believe in the BiBi approach.

OK so is BiBi basically bilingual?? So he learns both signing and verbal??

He does hear some, but until he can really tell me what he hears I just keep talking... I talk to him all the time and use signs for the simple things I know (pretty much baby signs .) I'm trying at home to immerse him in both- since the school (daycare) he's at currently is Oral intensive. Is that the right approach to start out with??

(I know he hears certain pitches- like certain songs or music on TV... but speech is questionalbe)

Daredevel7 · 03-14-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamsmomma

OK so is BiBi basically bilingual?? So he learns both signing and verbal??

He does hear some, but until he can really tell me what he hears I just keep talking... I talk to him all the time and use signs for the simple things I know (pretty much baby signs .) I'm trying at home to immerse him in both- since the school (daycare) he's at currently is Oral intensive. Is that the right approach to start out with??

(I know he hears certain pitches- like certain songs or music on TV... but speech is questionalbe)

Ooooh.. the million dollar question..... there's been many debates about this....(what you asked above in bold).

A lot of people would argue for ASL first to build a strong first language.

Some people would say that it depends on the child's abilities (holistic approach).

Some people would recommend oral intensive approach (usually audiologists or doctors).

There are just too many ways to raise a child (deaf or not), and you're gonna have to look at your own child, your environment, and the statistics, and make a choice.

shel90 · 03-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamsmomma

OK so is BiBi basically bilingual?? So he learns both signing and verbal??

He does hear some, but until he can really tell me what he hears I just keep talking... I talk to him all the time and use signs for the simple things I know (pretty much baby signs .) I'm trying at home to immerse him in both- since the school (daycare) he's at currently is Oral intensive. Is that the right approach to start out with??

(I know he hears certain pitches- like certain songs or music on TV... but speech is questionalbe)

If speech is questionable then he is not getting full access to language. That's the key coponent. Access to language.

deafskeptic · 03-14-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottesini

Reading is not about sounds and putting sounds together. Reading is deciphering symbols.

Letters and words are patterns of symbols and you decipher them just as you do signs.

Notice, please I and many other deaf people are here reading your posts and writing back to you.

Therefore we did learn to read and write and sound had not much to do with it.

Yep, Bott's correct on that one. That is how I learned out to read. Phonics were never my strong suit.

deafskeptic · 03-14-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

If speech is questionable then he is not getting full access to language. That's the key coponent. Access to language.

Yeah, that too.

Miss-Delectable · 03-15-2009, 12:32 AM

In my experience, I started out in oral intervention program but didn't really start talking until mum put me in a signing class then my speech took off big time.

She used to read to me showing me pictures even though, she couldn't sign and read at the same time. You're doing the right thing by showing him stories and such.

I believe it's better to incorporate sign language, speech and whatever else works for Adam.

Does he respond to signs?

Berry · 03-15-2009, 07:55 AM

Am hearing. Schools tried to teach me phonics and to sound out words. It confused me because in English there is very little correspondence between spelling and the sound of the word.

My mother taught me to sight read, which the teachers were against. She said sounding the words gets in the way of reading and slows you down. I have never discovered anything in my experience to prove her wrong.

shel90 · 03-15-2009, 09:34 AM

I find it ironic that I learned how to read using phonics despite being born with a bilateral severe profound deafness. How I learned to read was very very structured but once I got it, I took off on my own. My best friend who is deaf never really got it so she never became an avid reader. My deaf brother learned how to read from the BiBi approach.

Berry · 03-15-2009, 01:07 PM

I'm a great believer in personality. I have studied a great many martial arts and people ask, "Which is the best one" and often people don't like it when I tell them "There is no best one." The one that suits your personality best is the best one for you.

My personality is better suited to sight reading, someone else is better suited to phonics.

This is why I believe when teaching someone all possible methods of learning should be open to them. Sort of like offering them a salad of techniques and let them choose the ones that suit them the best.

03-13-2009, 09:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Adamsmomma Lovin' life as A's Mommy! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 471	I have SO many questions... Ok first of all I am new to the deaf culture- in that my son is the one who is HOH/Deaf and not myself- so these are things I have never had to think about and I'm not trying to be condecending or anything-- PLEASE understand that when you read this-- these are things that as a mom I'm questioning... so I can understand and better help my son... Ok I hope I put this in a way that doesn't upset anyone... How do you teach a deaf child to read?? I know how difficult it is for my 22 y/o brother who has a processing disorder and a Very MILD a hearing loss, I can't imagine how much more difficult it is for a deaf child to learn... since reading is about sounds and putting those sounds together-- if a child has never heard those sounds... how do you do it?? Memorization?? Visual cues? My son is not even a year old yet but I am having starting to look into things for his future, schools, teaching methods, etc... and this just struck me-- since language is so much sound and not a visual thing how will he learn to read?? Math-- you can use visual tactile aids, etc... Again Please please know I'm just a mom who's starting to think about her son's future- and wants honest open answers... I'm not looking to upset or hurt anyone's feelings... I'm just quite honestly IGNORANT about this!! THANK YOU THANK YOU for any answers or light anyone can shed on this for me! __________________ Proud Momma to a Deaf toddler!!! He's Mommy's A-Monkey can climb anywhere!!! Hey I know the signs for STOP and NO!!! Now, if he'd just learn what they mean!!! LOL

03-13-2009, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
zerodog My nose is light! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oh Thanks Heaven! Posts: 507	It is nice to know who care... I want input, may throw words a advise and you decide... Most important is listen what child is upset from school due peer pressure from teacher or whatever reason. For example; not understand why he get trouble for what... that something to pay attention. About Reading... I encourage you to start sign as you should sign correct... if he not sign right, don't pressure.. it part of process learning until correct sign. Also give basic book with lot visual without word for start. For example point monkey and sign monkey and point at one a time. My advise about those story ensure you will tell story word to word. If you want him to learn speak, if not speak clear and it can be worthless. Due, I have see parents force kid to learn and do speak which I heard sound not clear. I do not like to see hearing behind their back and mock due speech incorrect. Again, ALWAYS! ALWAYS check on child to write sentence like... "write a letter to your grandma what you want for birthday." Always check on sentence if the sentence alert or not clear. Due the teacher doesn't always tell you some teacher who passive to teach and ensure deaf student get proper educate and they do tell you. When my parent discover that I don't write very well or not reading. I start able read when I was 14 years old. My weak area is past and present... Also, word some advise to give your child to read novel book not regular book due not right sentence in some author wrote the book. I don't see nothing wrong but novel is better maybe one time a year unless he is interesting read book. I can understand you concerned about child future because you should! Also word of advise about scholarship include that part of his future too. Keep that mind, we have better technology such as videophone, you can look Sorenson VRS® or Viable.net Homepage and so on. So it can use for child benefit in right age or when he start make friend with hearing people that will start key input communicate... Remember... do your best and let child know that you are doing your best. Let child know if he need anything and let you know. Good luck __________________ Life is giving to us, we earn it by giving it. Let the dead have the immortality of fame, but the living the immortality of love - mean next child earn the life from me, because I love my child that mean lot to me will give to next little person earn the immortality of love from families.

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 24,046 Blog Entries: 3	I am a certified deaf education teacher and I am deaf myself. I will get back to your questions later because I had a busy day at work and I am too tired to think. Glad u are asking these questions now. Wish more parents were like u. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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03-13-2009, 10:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 1,937	Sigh.. you came at a bad timing. The person who knows a lot about this is banned for a month. Hopefully someone else can answer you. I'll try my best to answer based on the random info I got from this forum and articles I've read. Words usually are memorized cognitively by both deaf and hearing. When you read, you basically look at the word as a whole. There are some books that associate words with signs, but you should be able to teach him to read with pictures associated. I am not sure how your son communicates right now (talking, sign?). Obviously, the best information you can get is with a deaf education teacher who would have experience on teaching little deaf kids to read.

03-13-2009, 01:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
JamieLynn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,663	Unfortunately I can't help you with your questions (I'm a hearie and don't know anybody that is deaf / hoh...) The only advise I could give you is that your child is going to give you the signs whether he wants to learn to read, how he progresses, etc. Deaf education teacher is in my POV very imporant (as I could read here through the board already). Not sure if BraydensMom or Chris' Mom will be able to help you? I am not sure... I simply wanted to point out that it is wonderful to see mothers (parents!) already trying to get information way ahead of time! That's all I wanted to say... Oh... and I'm sure a couple more people will drop in a line or two for further advise Jamie

03-13-2009, 01:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
JamieLynn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,663	I see it the same way... We are hearing and it depends on how we were taught to read! At least that's what I think... For me when I read a word, there is a sound behind it... Deaf / hoh children have to be taught different, just like blind people need to learn that whatever they are touching, there is a word to it (HA maybe you can help me here if you are reading this?). I know that Jonas (my eldest nephew - hearie) has troubles reading out loud, but when he is asked to read a text to himself and later explain what he read, then he can tell you about what he read. Reading out loud, he's slooooow and has noooo clue what he is reading... it's weird.... I have never seen this on a child. My friend (the mother) is also confused about that. Maybe it sort of the same but she has appointment with a therapist about that matter... See how that goes! Jamie

03-13-2009, 05:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
JamieLynn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,663	We are probably OT here, regarding your thread question but I just wanted to add one more thing. Jonas is going to be eight years old in May, 2nd grade and still learning words... He has no speech problem at all too. Reading on his own and out loud just isn't the same. I might check out the Central Auditory Processing Disorder on the web out of pure interest, just in case... Thanks for your little input! It's great to see you investing so much time in both your son (that you decided to adopt nonetheless!) and your brother! <hug> Jamie

03-13-2009, 10:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 7,495	I'm hoh, and basicly taught myself to read ONE YEAR after I got my hearing aids. . Sounds are a part of reading, but not the whole thing. It's more about decoding syntax and grammar.

03-14-2009, 02:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 24,046 Blog Entries: 3	Nope, u dont need sound to read..if that was the case, then we wouldnt have hearing people who are illiterate. Reading is a complex process and involves different strategies to use. My concern for your child is ensuring that he is establishing a strong first language so he can be ready to read by the time he is 5 years old and ASL is the only language fully accessible to deaf/hoh children. I would also encourage incorporating some spoken English to see if he does understand some of it but not as the only source of language for his language development. Then, once he has established a strong language foundation base which is usually by the age of 3 and half to 4, you can start fingerspelling and pointing the alphabet so he can make the connection between the signs and the letters, then once he has established that, then start the sandwich method which is fingerspelling the words, signing the words, showing the word in printed form, and then back to fingerspelling the words. That helps with developing his English vocabulary. Then, start h reading books that have simple and repeative sentences to him and important, show him the words and the fingerspelled words constantly. All of that is strongly empasized for deaf children in their pre-school and kindergarten ages. That way they will be ready to do some reading and writing by the time they enter first grade. Unfortunately, in my experience, we get the children from the public schools especially oral programs who werent able to establish a strong first language due to spoken English not being fully accessible to them and end up with no language when entering shool impeding their ability to develop literacy skills. That's why I strongly believe in the BiBi approach. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

03-15-2009, 12:32 AM	#27 (permalink)
Miss-Delectable Capt Tony Nelson, Jeannie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: No.1 Shopping Capital in Australia Posts: 10,238 Blog Entries: 3	In my experience, I started out in oral intervention program but didn't really start talking until mum put me in a signing class then my speech took off big time. She used to read to me showing me pictures even though, she couldn't sign and read at the same time. You're doing the right thing by showing him stories and such. I believe it's better to incorporate sign language, speech and whatever else works for Adam. Does he respond to signs? __________________

03-15-2009, 07:55 AM	#28 (permalink)
Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 706	Am hearing. Schools tried to teach me phonics and to sound out words. It confused me because in English there is very little correspondence between spelling and the sound of the word. My mother taught me to sight read, which the teachers were against. She said sounding the words gets in the way of reading and slows you down. I have never discovered anything in my experience to prove her wrong. __________________ . Living life in the sandbox.

03-15-2009, 09:34 AM	#29 (permalink)
shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 24,046 Blog Entries: 3	I find it ironic that I learned how to read using phonics despite being born with a bilateral severe profound deafness. How I learned to read was very very structured but once I got it, I took off on my own. My best friend who is deaf never really got it so she never became an avid reader. My deaf brother learned how to read from the BiBi approach. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

03-15-2009, 01:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 706	I'm a great believer in personality. I have studied a great many martial arts and people ask, "Which is the best one" and often people don't like it when I tell them "There is no best one." The one that suits your personality best is the best one for you. My personality is better suited to sight reading, someone else is better suited to phonics. This is why I believe when teaching someone all possible methods of learning should be open to them. Sort of like offering them a salad of techniques and let them choose the ones that suit them the best. __________________ . Living life in the sandbox.

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