Should Deaf Schools be Shut Down? - Page 6

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Voted in your favor? What do you mean?

By the way, I also was mainstreamed all the way. Not too sure what people say about my social skills. I think I am shy IRL, but people say I'm a social butterfly.....

I do talk too much, my mom always says "Once you started talking, you never stopped."

"voted in my favor" = they'd said anything to make me feel happy - special - thier child.

**Bottesini** · 11-01-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

Not to be absurd . . . my parents, always, voted in my favor. Yours?

Supportive, yes indeed!

iaskedalice09 · 11-01-2008, 10:53 PM

Ex-mainstreamed student here...

Hell no! Deaf schools provide MANY benefits: a feeling of belonging/unity, pride, Deaf role models, access to ASL/English, that for some Deaf students is IMPOSSIBLE in hearing schools. I have a very good friend who is hard-of-hearing and does not identify as Deaf, but came to SD because their home district did not accommodate their hearing loss.

For me, it is psychosocial. Staff at the hearing school were overwhelmed with my IEP crap to really teach me, I never felt any real belonging to anyone at all. I kept "thinking" in ASL and was scolded many times for using SimCom or signing with students who signed fluently. At SD I am free to make my own choices regarding communication. I do not feel shame or isolation for not hearing, and turn my voice off and on as needed or preferred. Also, SD is very much my second family, so any behaviour problems are dealt with as a "what's wrong" approach - in other words, SD staff really does care and value regardless of Deafness - they do not see me as different.

SD's biculturalism is fantastic - I am exposed to Deaf culture, which makes me so proud to know we as Deaf people have our own norms, but also hearing, where I, when speaking, address some hearing teachers by Ms/Mr.

SD's diversity and bilingualism is so very rewarding -- how very much a TRAIN-GO-SORRY it would have been for me to ignore this.

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 11:28 PM

SD mean what? (point of clarification for this thread)

Pinky · 11-02-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, Fremont is safer for earthquake than in Berkeley.

UCB is University of California in Berkeley.

web730 · 11-02-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

SD mean what? (point of clarification for this thread)

I think iaskedalice09 means SD = School for the Deaf?

iaskedalice09, is that correct? (or South Dakota?)

web730 · 11-02-2008, 03:24 PM

Foxrac, Fremont might be safer than Berkeley regarding the earthquake vulnerability, maybe. However, the CSDF people (what they told us long ago) claimed that they including the state gov't were fooled by the earthquake research that then forced them to sell the land to UCB and moved to Fremont.

So far it (serious earthquake) hasn't happened to the UCB campus since their move so, right? Whatever, it was quite a hot controversial issue back then.

Maybe a former CSDF student comes in here and could answer this controversial issue bit clearer... CSDF was then opened in 1980... CSD History

deafdyke · 11-02-2008, 05:25 PM

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If anything, I'd understood my parents better (with their institutional-style parenting toward me).

AMEN! Those who advocate for kids being at home with their parents often don't understand that NOT EVERY FAMILY has the advantages that a middle class or emotionally healthy family can offer.

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I'd noticed, remarkably, that those who'd attended oral schools then attended deaf schools that'd employed "total communication" as an enforced method of communication . . . these kids lacked in social skills as much as they'd excelled in education.

YES!!!!! I mean it's fairly common for dhh kids to be teased about our voices., and not feel a part of things. I'm still very self conscious about the way I speak. My teenage years were HELL to put it mildly.

dreama · 11-02-2008, 05:45 PM

I agree with Shel and Deafdyke. I wish I had gone to a deaf school. I went to one of those mixed special schools that take everyone on a primary level then moved to mainstream. My behavior in Mainstream was very challanging and I got into a lot of fights. I had to leave the first mainstream school after bullying. Then went to oral only PHU.

iaskedalice09 · 11-07-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by web730

I think iaskedalice09 means SD = School for the Deaf?

iaskedalice09, is that correct? (or South Dakota?)

SD means School for the Deaf in that context.

Sorry about that!

Wokamuka · 11-07-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by iaskedalice09

in other words, SD staff really does care and value regardless of Deafness - they do not see me as different.

SD's biculturalism is fantastic - I am exposed to Deaf culture, which makes me so proud to know we as Deaf people have our own norms, but also hearing, where I, when speaking, address some hearing teachers by Ms/Mr.

SD's diversity and bilingualism is so very rewarding -- how very much a TRAIN-GO-SORRY it would have been for me to ignore this.

I hear you . . . uh . . . I see ya . . . umm . . . I got it.

deafdyke · 11-07-2008, 08:07 PM

Pro-mainstreamers tend to be SO ****ing naive about the downsides of mainstream education. I wish so badly THEY could experiance what I went through. They hold up the honor roll kids as an example of sucess......but they don't understand that it's SO ****ing hard to get good accomondations in the mainstream, especially as most teachers aren't even really trained to teach kids with more classic disabilites (most of their training deals with LD)

ILoveTarget · 11-08-2008, 02:51 AM

i vote for deaf schools to stay open! i live in deaf school from when i was 3-19. i lived there year round. my parents gave me to the state and thats where the state put me! i was so happy there! i wanted to stay longer but state wont pay longer because i 18 and graduate high school. deaf school is very good but i never got used to be around people who were not deaf. i take greyhound bus from california to indiana to move there beause its cheaper. that my first interaction with hearies that dont know asl. it very very scary. and i had to get a job on my own very scary too. but i like my expeirence at deaf school. i wish i could go back to deaf school and live there again!

Casperman · 11-08-2008, 06:13 AM

i vote deaf schools to stay open.. myself from a deaf family. dads side.. i experienced
4 years in main streamed school and 9 years at Ky school for the deaf.. i prefer deaf school bec ya get to social, sports events, etc .. coached by deaf people or people who's hearing but knows asl.. now our kids are deaf too..better for them go deaf school.. bith of them are doing excellent in deaf school and older son who's autistic and he learning something new every day which make us all proud of him.. also on deaf role models.. we need them for leadership, advices.. and we all learn alot from them i had 3 deaf role models which i still respect and contact ...

**shel90** · 11-08-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Pro-mainstreamers tend to be SO ****ing naive about the downsides of mainstream education. I wish so badly THEY could experiance what I went through. They hold up the honor roll kids as an example of sucess......but they don't understand that it's SO ****ing hard to get good accomondations in the mainstream, especially as most teachers aren't even really trained to teach kids with more classic disabilites (most of their training deals with LD)

Yea, I hate it when people use me as an example. They shouldnt cuz I was in a turmoil emotionally all the time. Yea, they dont really get it fully.

NorCal20 · 11-10-2008, 04:52 AM

i may write LONG on this one but i realized it myself that it is not worth for me to put this argue.

i may be very frankly but doesnt want to make this chaos with simple opinions. UNLESS, you want me to write it down, let me know [must more than 4 requests for me to write]-

Brian · 11-10-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NorCal20

i may write LONG on this one but i realized it myself that it is not worth for me to put this argue.

i may be very frankly but doesnt want to make this chaos with simple opinions. UNLESS, you want me to write it down, let me know [must more than 4 requests for me to write]-

Well, NorCal - I, for one would like to see what you have to say about this.

If not, I understand.

skm4441 · 11-10-2008, 01:13 PM

A brief history about me... I attended a mainstreamed school with Deaf program at the mainstreamed school itself. The Deaf program was great. I am not saying it is impossible for the Deaf students to hang out with hearing students, but much more challenging and tough. I was very active with a couple of clubs and made several friends from those clubs. But I wish I was not always the only one Deaf kid who's interested in everything. I wish there were other Deaf students who were very interested in stuff. So it was a little lonely.

On the other hand, I kind of wished I had gone to a Deaf institute for social purposes. But I really think the education at Deaf institutes should be tremendously improved and there should be much much more awareness on this type of school.

Parents are starting to listen more about CIs and put their kids in mainstreamed schools where they're like alone at the most times, thus leading to the closures of many Deaf institutes throughout the US.

So NO I DON'T THINK DEAF SCHOOLS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN! I THINK THEY SHOULD BE IMPROVED!!!!!!

deafdyke · 11-10-2008, 05:37 PM

And actually I do support deaf magnet programs. I just strongly disapprove of regular classes regular school minimal accomondations for ALL dhh kids.

**Jolie77** · 11-10-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skm4441

On the other hand, I kind of wished I had gone to a Deaf institute for social purposes. But I really think the education at Deaf institutes should be tremendously improved and there should be much much more awareness on this type of school.

That is the part where I would agree with you at the most. Sure, There are no perfection to any schools out there, much less the Deaf Schools either. Every schools have their own flaws but you're right, The deaf schools needs to have their educational system to be improved.

This is in no way to blame the Deaf Schools for what they have done. With a lot of emphasis to bring the awareness could also overturn things but then, the problem is, a lot of administrations are obliged to do otherwise. That is why or the reason at the most for many teachers at the deaf schools whom are having a hard time to sought out for better answers to teach the deaf children.

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11-01-2008, 10:53 PM	#153 (permalink)
iaskedalice09 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 53	Ex-mainstreamed student here... Hell no! Deaf schools provide MANY benefits: a feeling of belonging/unity, pride, Deaf role models, access to ASL/English, that for some Deaf students is IMPOSSIBLE in hearing schools. I have a very good friend who is hard-of-hearing and does not identify as Deaf, but came to SD because their home district did not accommodate their hearing loss. For me, it is psychosocial. Staff at the hearing school were overwhelmed with my IEP crap to really teach me, I never felt any real belonging to anyone at all. I kept "thinking" in ASL and was scolded many times for using SimCom or signing with students who signed fluently. At SD I am free to make my own choices regarding communication. I do not feel shame or isolation for not hearing, and turn my voice off and on as needed or preferred. Also, SD is very much my second family, so any behaviour problems are dealt with as a "what's wrong" approach - in other words, SD staff really does care and value regardless of Deafness - they do not see me as different. SD's biculturalism is fantastic - I am exposed to Deaf culture, which makes me so proud to know we as Deaf people have our own norms, but also hearing, where I, when speaking, address some hearing teachers by Ms/Mr. SD's diversity and bilingualism is so very rewarding -- how very much a TRAIN-GO-SORRY it would have been for me to ignore this. __________________ Gallaudet, 2014 English and Government major

11-01-2008, 11:28 PM	#154 (permalink)
Wokamuka Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,881	SD mean what? (point of clarification for this thread) __________________

11-02-2008, 03:24 PM	#157 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,271	Foxrac, Fremont might be safer than Berkeley regarding the earthquake vulnerability, maybe. However, the CSDF people (what they told us long ago) claimed that they including the state gov't were fooled by the earthquake research that then forced them to sell the land to UCB and moved to Fremont. So far it (serious earthquake) hasn't happened to the UCB campus since their move so, right? Whatever, it was quite a hot controversial issue back then. Maybe a former CSDF student comes in here and could answer this controversial issue bit clearer... CSDF was then opened in 1980... CSD History __________________

11-02-2008, 05:45 PM	#159 (permalink)
dreama Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,017	I agree with Shel and Deafdyke. I wish I had gone to a deaf school. I went to one of those mixed special schools that take everyone on a primary level then moved to mainstream. My behavior in Mainstream was very challanging and I got into a lot of fights. I had to leave the first mainstream school after bullying. Then went to oral only PHU. __________________ I speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. http://www.fightfoca.com/

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11-07-2008, 08:07 PM	#162 (permalink)
deafdyke Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 13,099	Pro-mainstreamers tend to be SO **ing naive about the downsides of mainstream education. I wish so badly THEY could experiance what I went through. They hold up the honor roll kids as an example of sucess......but they don't understand that it's SO **ing hard to get good accomondations in the mainstream, especially as most teachers aren't even really trained to teach kids with more classic disabilites (most of their training deals with LD)

11-08-2008, 02:51 AM	#163 (permalink)
ILoveTarget Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lafayette, Indiana Posts: 121	i vote for deaf schools to stay open! i live in deaf school from when i was 3-19. i lived there year round. my parents gave me to the state and thats where the state put me! i was so happy there! i wanted to stay longer but state wont pay longer because i 18 and graduate high school. deaf school is very good but i never got used to be around people who were not deaf. i take greyhound bus from california to indiana to move there beause its cheaper. that my first interaction with hearies that dont know asl. it very very scary. and i had to get a job on my own very scary too. but i like my expeirence at deaf school. i wish i could go back to deaf school and live there again!

11-08-2008, 06:13 AM	#164 (permalink)
Casperman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: state of fast horses, fast ladies and hillbilly drunkards Posts: 433	i vote deaf schools to stay open.. myself from a deaf family. dads side.. i experienced 4 years in main streamed school and 9 years at Ky school for the deaf.. i prefer deaf school bec ya get to social, sports events, etc .. coached by deaf people or people who's hearing but knows asl.. now our kids are deaf too..better for them go deaf school.. bith of them are doing excellent in deaf school and older son who's autistic and he learning something new every day which make us all proud of him.. also on deaf role models.. we need them for leadership, advices.. and we all learn alot from them i had 3 deaf role models which i still respect and contact ... __________________

11-10-2008, 04:52 AM	#166 (permalink)
NorCal20 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Golden State Posts: 5,013	i may write LONG on this one but i realized it myself that it is not worth for me to put this argue. i may be very frankly but doesnt want to make this chaos with simple opinions. UNLESS, you want me to write it down, let me know [must more than 4 requests for me to write]- __________________ "keep it simple, simple is better" I am proudly to rep Bay Area of NOR*CAL CALIFORNIA Softball #20

11-10-2008, 01:13 PM	#168 (permalink)
skm4441 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 70	A brief history about me... I attended a mainstreamed school with Deaf program at the mainstreamed school itself. The Deaf program was great. I am not saying it is impossible for the Deaf students to hang out with hearing students, but much more challenging and tough. I was very active with a couple of clubs and made several friends from those clubs. But I wish I was not always the only one Deaf kid who's interested in everything. I wish there were other Deaf students who were very interested in stuff. So it was a little lonely. On the other hand, I kind of wished I had gone to a Deaf institute for social purposes. But I really think the education at Deaf institutes should be tremendously improved and there should be much much more awareness on this type of school. Parents are starting to listen more about CIs and put their kids in mainstreamed schools where they're like alone at the most times, thus leading to the closures of many Deaf institutes throughout the US. So NO I DON'T THINK DEAF SCHOOLS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN! I THINK THEY SHOULD BE IMPROVED!!!!!!

11-10-2008, 05:37 PM	#169 (permalink)
deafdyke Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 13,099	And actually I do support deaf magnet programs. I just strongly disapprove of regular classes regular school minimal accomondations for ALL dhh kids.

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